marginal density in Ilford films

back in the saddle after thirty years of Ektachrome. developed some HP5+, EI400, ID-11, standard times, and really didn't get the dark, exposed density that I was expecting. the thin negatives are not conducive to scanning, so I tried a roll of Delta 3200. on this attempt, Delta 3200 EI1600, I overexposed, and processed using the developing specificatons for EI3200. I thought this would insure those the deep, dark, exposed areas I remembered from my Plus-X days. results were still rather thin, in fact, quite thin, even with +1 stop overexposure and push +1. results with FP4+ were better, so I am wondering if this is normal for these films?

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