Shawn, Try my formula Illumitol. The article including formula ( Taming Pyro ) is on the Black And White World site. Illumitol is very fine grain but if you want grain try TMZ...small tight visable grain. Unlike PMK, Illumitol stains all film including TMX and TMY. You will find some Illumitol examples at www.agfa.co.nz/graphics/nzpub/exposure2.html scroll down to the male nudes by Mike Walker. They are all APX 100 35mm.(posted 8911 days ago)Cheers, Peter D.