David, those farging editors!!! they want nice grain... show them grain. I am not sure what a friend of mine did, but about 25 years ago he pushed Tri-x to 12800. I beleive ( but don't know for sure ) that pre develpoing, he treated the film ( after exposure ) with amonia fumes. Instead of throwing the film away, try an experiment. get yourself a 32oz. stainless steel developing tank. have a waterbath set to 105f. put about 6oz of household amoniain the bottom of the tank, place 2 empty 35mm reels in the tank and bring it up to 105f. AT NO POINT LET THE AMONIA COME IN CONTACT WITH THE FILM OR AREA IT WILL BE PUT. Next (and the tricky part) place a piece of the film in a reel ( in total darkness of course ), put it in the tank, and close the lid. (the amonia will super sensitise the film. ) I am not sure at what point your film will fog completely, but the longer you leave it exposed to the fumes, the higher the asa rating will be, and the greater risk of fogging it beyond compensating for. try starting at 3 min, and go up from there. every 45-1 min gently swirl the tank. DO NOT SPLASH THE AMONIA, IT CAN RUIN THE FILM. after the film has been treated process it in your xtol at 1:1 the time... ???? 15 to 20 min????. Just keep clipping and testing until you find the combo that works, and then do the rest of the roll. Good Luck, let me know what happens. Sean.(posted 9105 days ago)BTW if you happen to have an extra body, shoot some Kodak recording film (during a shoot , of course..) at 1000 asa, pick up some DK 50 dev, and process it for 6 min at 68f. Give the prints to your editor, and have your camera ready to capture his expressions! be sure to use a super fine grain film, so he will be sure to like the shots of himself!!