cool, that's a great idea...yeah Ed...I'll send them along..excuse me if it takes a few days...I'll have to organize all the info from the chicken-scratching on the outside of my film boxes...I'm not the most organized photog. I've found John's formula for EI 2k is great so I'll just send my push test results....but they aren't anything new or shocking...that's why I'm asking again.(posted 8927 days ago)Thanks Jim for forwarding the link...I haven't had a chance to read it...but I'm going there now.