I am trying to get a really brown/black look in my shadows like most older prints that I have seen. I use selenium mostly so I have no idea what to expect with these. I tried kodak poly toner 1+9 and it looks too cool so I am going to up the solution, however I was wondering if anyone else gets a bunch of insoluble crap in the solution when they use it? Also what is the shelf life of the working solotion?(posted 8742 days ago)thanks rwb