H&W is long gone; I get a "real" (.10 DU above fb&f for Zone I) EI 50 out of Tech Pan in Ethol TEC 1:15 with fairly normal contrast. Everything else I've tried, Technidol, C-41 dev, Burton 195, Xtol etc, only give EI 12-20.(posted 8671 days ago)Microphen 1:5 has been suggested.