I think you are the one that needs to get real Fred, sure Kodak has made some marketing mistakes, just like Coca Cola and every other big company, remember the Cadillac Cimarron, or the Mercedes 190, that is not the point. The point is everybody here is a Monday quaterback whining how big bad Kodak is taking away the film they like, but I dont see the same people complaining buying any of these films they are so upset about! Like I said environmental and business reasons are valid ones for removing a product line, and just because they have made mistakes in the past does not mean their current descicions are flawed. I think you and everybody else should get off your high horse and start seeing reality and recognize that Kodak is not wrong all the time! Like I said, it is only business, nothing personal.(posted 8123 days ago)Many people has foreseen the demise of Kodak because they removed X film, so far they are still around and all of the people whining have egg on their face and have learned to use another film. You don't want to support them because they removed your favorite film, fine but then don't come whining again when they shut down B& W products alltogehter. They way I see it is a self fullfilling profecy, the more they loose on B&W neagtive film the more they will be willing to shut it down in favor of digital or some other new imaging technology. I love using TMX, and TMY but I also use Delta, ACROS etc. Should Kodak decide to remove the T films I can either complain or do something about it. So no Fred,I know you have been around for a long time and have lots of experience, but you need to get with the program and see how things are changing and not all of their descicions will be to the liking of those of us who like traditional or LF photography. So instead of complaining and having a defeatist attitude we should support those product lines they do have now.