Before you buy from Waltons Feed get the facts. 1. Shipping backlog of 4-6 weeks mabe longer. Expect to wait 1-4 months mabe longer. I have heard of some people waiting longer. This is on their website. Other quality manufacturers wait, 10 DAYS!! 2. The oxygen levels in the headspace gases in there products are three times higher than with the industries leading manufacturers of freeze dried foods. This shortens the shelf life greatly!! 3. Skipper Clark the guru of freeze dried food and the food storage industry recomends other companies over Waltons Feed. He has sampled them all. Some after twenty years and still fresh. 4. While Waltons Feed (FOOD) has a great internet site they are grabbing up most of the internet orders from people who buy off the computer rather than from research.

Greg Wiatt

Let the buyer beware! Do your research before you buy!

-- Greg Wiatt (gwiatt@northlink.com), February 19, 1998

Answers

Could you post the names and contact info for other suppliers who are recommended? I'm just getting into purchasing food for long-term storage, so any info would be appreciated.

-- Melinda Gierisch (gieriscm@hotmail.com), February 19, 1998.

You are mis-representing the information from Walton's. It is 4-6 weeks using UPS. 1-4 months if you select truck freight. Most of the products I have used are not freeze-dried, but whole grains, etc. and I have found their products to be very good. If there is a problem with the order, I have had Al Durtshi either call me or e-mail me.

I can't speak to other companies products, but those I have researched on the internet were more expensive. Locally, these products are not available or were horrendously expensive.

It is great that you mention a source to check this information out but allow people the room to do their own research and make their own decisions.

-- Rebecca Kutcher (kutcher@pionet.net), February 19, 1998.

Reguarding Rebecca Kutchers Comments

The information about the length of time to get your food from WALTONS FOOD was taken from there internet site!! 6 feb 98 Shipping backlog. UPS 4-6 weeks depending on the size of your order. Generally expect 1-4 months wait. Some orders EVEN LONGER. I speak to people from all over the country. Some people ARE waiting even longer. Do you want to wait EVEN LONGER. Mabe you will get your food by mid-summer. I post only factual, verifiable information.

Thank you Rebecca for allowing me to clarify.

Greg Wiatt in Arizona

-- Greg Wiatt (gwiatt@northlink.com), February 19, 1998.

In reguard to Melinda Giersch wanting the list of suppliers.

They can be found in Yahoo/Deja News by looking under freeze dried food. The posting is by A.T. Hagen and is very informative. It helped me in my buying decision.

Greg Wiatt in Arizona.

-- Greg Wiatt (gwiatt@northlink.com), February 19, 1998.

I am not going to split hairs with you, but the 1-4 months is for TRUCK FREIGHT not UPS. If you are going to use truck freight then you have to be willing to assume the risks that are clearly spelled out. I have not talked to anyone that pays the extra for UPS that has had to wait overly long for their order. I have ordered a lot from Walton's and my last order came in less than the 4-6 weeks I was quoted.

-- Rebecca Kutcher (kutcher@pionet.net), February 19, 1998.

FWIW: I have place to separate orders with Waltons, and have been very pleased with the level of intelligent customer service, and also with the reasonably timely delivery. At this point, in early 1998, it doesn't matter very much whether it's 3 weeks or 4 weeks or 3 months to get your shipment, as long as you're sure it's in the pipeline. Whatever delays might exist (which I haven't observed) are going to be MUCH more relevant in 1999.

More important: rather than complaining about Walton's, let's see a list of additional or alternative food suppliers -- the more the better. If you've got some URLs or phone/fax numbers to contribute, please do so.

My daughter and I are planning to publish a second edition of our book in late 1998, and we would very much appreciat as much information as you can provide

Thanks, Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (yourdon@worldnet.att.net), March 18, 1998.

I think itis important how the food can be shipped.I was lucky because "Consolidated" runs right into my neighborhood. I had my food within 6 weeks. I can say only good things about Waltons. Good luck with your shipments herm

-- herm (herm@itol.com), March 19, 1998.

I was quoted as saying there were better suppliers than Walton. They used to have problems with their #10 cans but I think things are straightened out now. I am doing a new round of testing of products from all the major compaies packing long term food. I always recommended their superpails. The prices can't be beat. Al Durchsi called me today- Gary North is looking for other companies who can supply the present shortfall. I think Walton is maxed out at present. Here are a few other companies- Alpineair, Ready Reserve Foods 800-453-2202, Maple Leaf Industries 800-671-5323, Nitropak 800-866-4876 (most of their food comes from Walton but they carry the entire line of Oregon Freeze Dry- expensive but if you can afford it you can eat like a king (relatively speaking), Perma Pac 801-268-3913' Best Prices Storable Foods (Bruce sells Walton but see food line #2), Life sprouts 800-241-1516 ( sprouting seeds and supplies), Emergency Essentials (Walton [though they won't admit it] and others), Shield's Date Garden 760-347-0996 (date crystals-excellent sweetener will last practically forever (I've stored them for 15 years and they were still good!), School of Natural Healing 800-372-8255 (Herbalism home study course, in case you run out learn to identify and use wild stuff), Millenium Foods. Send e-mail address for more info to skipper@cncnet.com

-- skipper clark (skipper@cncnet.com), March 26, 1998.

Greg Wiatt, what food storage company are you associated, or who do you recommend?

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@primary.net), March 27, 1998.

>1. Shipping backlog of 4-6 weeks mabe longer.
>Expect to wait 1-4 months mabe longer. Hi, this is Al at Walton Feed. Actually, the wait for year supply packages is continuing to increase. Right now, if you order by UPS, you can expect to wait at least 10 weeks. I know that's forever, but we are doing the best we can. We have been flooded with orders over the last several months, consistently more than we can fill. We are working two shifts right now and I believe we at least aren't falling further behind right presently. Our freight system can take many months. But many people are willing to accept the long wait for the much cheaper shipping. >2. The oxygen levels in the headspace gases in there products are three times higher than with the industries leading manufacturers of freeze dried foods. This isn't fair criticism as he is reading a report that is a couple of years old. We have fixed this problem months and months ago. Please see http://waltonfeed.com/self/headgas.html >4. While Waltons Feed (FOOD) has a great internet site
> they are grabbing up most of the internet orders from people who buy
>off the computer rather than from research. First, thanks for the kudos on the site. But I strongly disagree with you about the people who buy from Walton Feed. Sure there are a few out there who don't do any research out there and just want to order and be done with it. But by enlarge, most of our customers have done their homework very well, many of them putting together their own packages. Many of these people don't have a lot of money to throw around, have done extensive research and know they can get more bang for the buck with us than any other company. Al

-- Al Durtschi (mark@waltonfeed.com), April 20, 1998.

My experiance at Walton Feed?

Two dozen people along with myself put an order in at Waltons late last year. Over $20,000 in food. As of today nothing...nada ...zip. More bang for the buck? You gotta get the bullets FIRST! According to there site the program is order now wait to July 98 with UPS. Ship Yellow Freight, wait til mid October 98. What good does it do to save a buck and not get your order?

P.S. We cancelled our order with Waltons and ordered elsewhere. Got our food in 21 days not 21 months.

Sorry Waltons

-- Marty Kline (marty456@yahoo.com), April 24, 1998.

I have been a supporter of Walton Feed in the past because I got good service, but I can not do that any longer. If you want your food storage, buy somewhere else. Starting in mid-March I placed a series of 4 orders 2 weeks apart. I have yet to get the first order which was to be delivered in 4-6 weeks. It has 11 weeks and the first order has not yet been shipped. The second order was to ship in 6-10 weeks and it is now due to ship, but I certainly wouldn't count on it. I have spoken to Al several times and been reassured that my order would go out "next week". Obviously that is a false promise.

It was stated elsewhere on the net that Walton's is supplying their wholesalers before they fill their own retail orders and that is why you can get Walton food from other suppliers sooner than you can directly from them. I have reason to believe that this is true.

Does anyone have good experience with another supplier that does buckets? I have been trying to buy bulk grain locally, but here in the midwest where this grain is grown, you can't buy bulk grain for human consumption. I have boughten some wheat from Canada through the Amish communities here.

Thanks for any help.

-- Rebecca Kutcher (kutcher@pionet.net), May 31, 1998.

Hi Rebecca, Have you considered joining a food co-op? You can buy bulk grain, beans, flour, salt etc. Find out which food supplier delivers to your local health food store then get their name and phone number. They will be able to tell you of the local co-ops in your area. As far as the buckets, you can go to your local donut shop and ask if they sell their buckets that the fillings came in. I've done that, they sold them for $1 a piece. The hold 25 lbs of grain a piece. The lids are so tightly sealed that you need a paint can lid remover to get it off. Candice

-- (cansas@aol.com), June 01, 1998.

Check to see if there is an LDS Cannery in your area. I'm sure there is one in Illinois. I heard they have great prices and they help you out with it.

-- Annie (anniegaff@mailexcite.com), June 01, 1998.

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-- Pastor Chris (chrisbr@ptinet.net), June 01, 1998.

Watch out for multi level companies looking for an angle to get rich. Aint nutin fer free.

-- Howard White (hcw@bigfoot.com), June 04, 1998.

Just to clear the air. I became a Perma Pak dealer in March of this year. I was just like many others wanting to buy food storage. My investigations led me to some suprising results. It was then that I decided that if I could get the best product at the best prices in the shortest time I would be of benefit to alot of others just like you. In this short period of time I have helped MANY, MANY people make the right decisions on purchasing food storage. I DO NOT have ONE unhappy customer. You can visit my site at www.northlink.com/~gwiatt/

Sincerely Greg Wiatt Emergency Food Storage

-- Greg Wiatt (gwiatt@northlink.com), June 07, 1998.

Does anyone out there know of published info on shelf life of different foods?

-- Dickieboy (angusdude@my.yahoo.com), June 30, 1998.

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