Will You Give Up Your Stash?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
Out of curiosity, if and when Y2K becomes a full blown emergency and the authorities come to your door wanting your food supply so they can distribute it, are you going to give it up, have it hidden, or what?
-- Bardou (email@example.com), October 01, 1998
"Supplies? What supplies officer? I thought you came here to offer me supplies" :)
-- Michael Taylor (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 01, 1998.
I don't have no stinking stash...
-- Uh-huh (email@example.com), October 01, 1998.
See answers in thread "What do you with garbage?"
-- Robert A. Cook, P.E. (Kennesaw, GA) (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 01, 1998.
I've learned a lot from our Fearless Leader lately.
GOON SQUAD CAPTAIN: "Do you have any hoarded supplies in this house?"
MOI: "Well, sir, that all depends on what you mean by the word 'have'."
-- John Howard (Greenville, NC) (email@example.com), October 01, 1998.
I would rather destroy my food (and my fuel, by combining them) than see a self-appointed local socialist dictator, or FEMA, take them. Yes, even if people were starving and freezing. Of course I don't want to see people starve or freeze; that's why I'm storing a little extra, to sell or give away as I see fit. But liberty is more important than comfort (for human beings). The fact is, those bastards want to see us ALL starving and freezing; nothing would arouse them, H. Kissenger-style, than to see a formerly free people on their knees, without property rights. This is already happening, btw: have you heard of "civil forfeiture?" The constitution is being used as toilet paper, and it will only get worse after Y2k, if we're not prepared to put a stop to it.
("Power is the greatest aphrodesiac" Henry Kissenger)
-- E. Coli (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 01, 1998.
John Howard... Thanks for the laugh! How true, How true! :)
-- Dave (email@example.com), October 01, 1998.
Hmmm... my point is to survive, so I would do whatever gives me and my family the best chance of survival. I can't give you an answer now, I'd have to decide if they came knocking.
I don't think this is much of a possibility though, just for logistical reasons. It would take a long time to gather food by running around robbing little stashes. It would make more sense to raid the warehouses and grocery stores first.
-- Mike (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 01, 1998.
I will not be putting signs on my stored goods in plain sight. And as much as I loathe and despise government as practiced in the last 5000 years, I don't think they are gonna have the "oomph" to go house to house, hooligan fashion. They will not have the human-power to do this. This is nothing more than a late 20th century movie fantasy. No power, no banks, no way to pay the goons...use logic...think cause and effect. Probably the neighbors one has never met will be more of a threat than any jack-booted thugs in government togs.
-- Donna Barthuley (email@example.com), October 01, 1998.
I'd like to report my neighbors of being happy and not appearing to be hungry or cold, not only that it appears that they have running water.
-- Vic (Light_servant@yahoo.com), October 01, 1998.
Maybe I'm just a bit too pessimistic for my own good, but I think there's more than a few "goon-wannabees" out there who would be more than happy to wave a gun around and kick a few "uncooperative" citizens in the ribs. I don't think the fact that there's no "money" to pay them will be much of a problem, at least not for a while. Besides, the more the goon squads get out of the evil hoarders, the more they probably would get for themselves (think old-fashioned piracy).
Spouse Man and I have talked about this one, and are thinking of having a bit of "mugger money" available for them to find. Know what I mean? He says the best defense will be to appear as desperate as everyone else. I think easier said than done. I hate thinking about this part of it.
Even worse, though, is thinking about having to turn away non-goons, you know? The frightened family with little ones whose eyes are enormous in their hungry faces....
-- Arewyn (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 02, 1998.
I agree with Arewyn. When armed forces everywhere aren't paid, they scavenge. This is the case in Africa and Yugoslavia RIGHT NOW. I'll suspect it happened in Russia too, until the new communist regime there paid them off. Scenario: post-Y2k: everyone is starving, holing up in their homes, without communication, power, water. P.A. announcements: "HOARDERS and PROFITEERS are ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE! (etc.)" Then the call for hungry, broke, pissed off volunteers to go house to house for a share of the take (including anything made of gold, because it's been recalled, is needed for the war effort, whatever). Our current "civil forfeiture" laws give plenty of precedent for seizing absolutely everything you own just on SUSPICION of "hoarding" or "profiteering" (selling anything people need); it will be a more serious crime than drug possession or use. Plenty of gang-members with firearms experience if patriotic soldiers don't have the stomach for larceny. Authorities want everyone in the same breadline; hoarding food, or dealing in "black market" items (like real butter, or gasoline) are crimes that put offenders in "internment camps." This isn't fantasy; it happened in both wars, within living memory. It is a phenomenon of the 20th century. Concentration camps, particularly, are a 20th century pillar, every bit as much as the automobile and heavier-than-air flight. Read your history, and look at what happens during capitalism's built-in "downcycles": warfare, and the "suspension" -temporary or permanent- of individual liberty. Read about the banking establishment; they funded the nazis - this is HISTORY, not "conspiracy theory." They aren't sentimental about democracy or individual liberty, especially if it stands in the way of globalism. If you don't want to be steamrolled, get ready.
-- E. Coli (email@example.com), October 02, 1998.
who are you?
-- cynicbynature (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 03, 1998.
Stash? Who said it was a "stash", I always KEEP a years's supply of food, water, medicines,etc. LOL. Serious though I feel we must be a tad bit more concerned with those who are pooh poohing the situation now. They will be the one's at the door, not the government.
-- Humoris best (Annon@aol.com), October 03, 1998.
Well, i wouldnt exactly give up my stash but my Mom has some friends and if they want to stay with us then they will have to help getting supplies but other than that no because if you feed one stranger than you have to feed everybody that he/she knows ans so on and so on. Morgan
-- Morgan (Y2KFever@aol.com), October 04, 1998.
I am awake.
-- E. Coli (email@example.com), October 05, 1998.
An interesting -- and disturbing -- take on this question is on Stan Deyo's website. He quotes the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Revised 1997, about "hoarding," which say (In Title 10, under Public Safety) that you are considered a "hoarder" if you have more than ONE WEEK's provisions on hand! In Section 128-28, Forfeitures, it says your "excess" can be confiscated, ordered destroyed, or may be redistributed for public use, or sold with the proceeds to go to the State. Check it out at: www.ballarat.net.au/~standeyo
Pretty scarey stuff
-- Lou Ashby (LouAshby@Compuserve.com), October 07, 1998.