David Bresnhan blows lid off Fema plans to evacuate unprepared to shelters and also the "prepared" if the authorities decide we may be in danger. Where ya gonna hide now? Still wonder how they can do this if their computers are down.

-- Betty Arnspiger (Barn266@aol.com), March 03, 1999

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They do not need computers. They will use guns if they have to. They cannot afford to have someone break from the herd. When someone points a gun at you it will be of little concern to you how they are coordinating information. You total concentration at that point will be on the empty spot in the middle on the end of the barrel. That small hole will seem like you are looking in a garbage can.

Sorry to be so gruesom, But that is how it is. Princes do not rule over subjects by dint of helpfull sugestions.

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), March 03, 1999.

Where did this info come from? URL please. Skeptical, need proof to evaluate.

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), March 03, 1999.

Bresnahan was interviewed on "The Survival Report" on WWCR, 12.160 MHz shortwave, late this afternoon (EST). I heard the show, and Betty has it pretty much as he said it. He (Bresnahan) was inquiring with the director a a midwestern state's Office of Emergency Management regarding the plans to "evacuate" people in the event of large-scale Y2K-induced problems. The director's response to Bresnahan's question to the effect that, what would you do if people were prepared and didn't want to be "evacuated". Bresnahan said that the director replied with words to the effect that "if it wasn't a mandatory evacuation, we'd let them stay, but if we felt deemed the situation to be dangerous, we'd force them to leave."

Don't know about you folks, but seems to me that attempting to force self-reliant and well-armed people to evacuate to a concentratio... sorry, 'shelter', would be as dangerous for the evacuators as the evacuatees.

P.S. for God's sakes, people, get a shortwave radio, will ya? You're missing out on a LOT of important stuff. Don't rely solely on the internet for info, in times to come you may have to get your uncensored news through unconventional means, like shortwave or amateur radio operators. Somebody posted the frequencies a while back, may be in the archives still. If not, I have a few I can post.

-- sparks (wireless@home.com), March 03, 1999.

Interesting thread. I know ya'll are getting sick of hearing my hurricane stories, and I know 50 million people on the east coast know all the same stories, but this might be important anyway.

During hurricane warnings, there are "Mandatory Evacuations" to coastal areas in the path of the storm. A law enforcement officer will come to your home and inform you that there is a mandatory evacuation ordered by law and you must gather your things and evacuate within a certain period of time. The catch is that if you refuse to go, no law enforcement agent will force you to go. You have never seen anyone get arrested for failing to evacuate. Of course, of those who remain behind, some are never seen again when the storm wipes them from the face of the earth. See Topsail Island, NC, 1996. There's another catch, at least on the barrier islands of NC. After the evacuation deadline, those who haven't left are not allowed to leave. A lot of those people get religion during the following 36 hours. Some of them meet their maker.

So mandatory evacuation may not be at it's cracked up to be. If they plan to evacuate me, I want to be thinking about it a long time in advance so I can balance the equities. There may be good reasons, but I'm going to have to think about them for a long long time before I walk out on my own two feet.

-- Puddintame (dit@dot.com), March 03, 1999.

Puddintame, Ashton & I never get tired of your hurricane stories.
Those who have experienced natural and unnatural disasters have much to teach the rest of us preparing for Y2K "as if it were a storm."
( yep, it's just a simultaneous worldwide cascading domino interconnected avalanche, earthquake, volcano, tornado, blizzard, typhoon, flood, tidal wave, firestorm, lightning strike, meteor hit, and hazmat spill times 10000 )

Oh, and there's also that unprecedented systemic failure of the technological crutch propping up the artificial carrying capacity of a global civilization on the brink.

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), March 03, 1999.

An unanswered questions amidst all these supposed FEMA plans:

There are no beds, blankets, heaters, showers, or emergency power units at the "schools and community centers". there is no water supplied, no way to cook food, nor clean up afterwards. No communication gear, health care, nor provisions to support hundreds/thousands of people for days (weeks ?) until services are restored.

Don't give me "military" support - they don't have it, never did have it, in the quantities and types of technical gear and equipment needed for county wide, statewide, or certainly nationwide.

-- Robert A. Cook, P.E. (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), March 04, 1999.

I agree with you robert. having anticipated this from reading the executive orders I have been negotiating for an old school bus to store my supplies in, and have found a really thick patch of woods to hide it in not too far from my home. I think the rest of the plan is self evident from there...

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), March 04, 1999.

Now, now, Robert. You don't think that FEMA would overestimate their capabilities, do you? After all, they have been able to intervene after every tornado, flood and earthquake since they became empowered, haven't they? After all, they're "from the government and here to help us."

Sleep, sleep, sleep

-- Lobo (Hding@woods.com), March 04, 1999.

leska, bresnahan has 3 articles today on the www.worldnetdaily.com site, all 3 are about the FEMA brouhaha in michigan, which is of interest to me since i live on indiana-michigan border.

if you want to read the articles, i suggest you hurry, as the links are changed daily. i can't hotlink, otherwise i would do so here.

-- jocelyne slough (jonslough@tln.net), March 04, 1999.

Having participated in a mandatory evacuation of a whole town due to inbound forest fires, I can say that there ARE times when it makes sense to leave. ALWAYS have a mobile Y2K back-up plan ... one car per driver.

However, the authorities did not push the issue if families said no. Just tagged the home and moved on.

I can imagine scenarios where a nearby nuclear power plant or chemical plant has Y2K problems requiring immediate mandatory evacuations. Cant you?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), March 04, 1999.

jocelyne ,

World Net Daily

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/< /a>

March 4,1999
Government plans for worst in Y2K Consultant cites preparations for martial law

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ bluesky_bresnahan/19990304_xex_government_p.shtml

... Plans have been made for mass evacuations, government takeover of private industries, and the use of martial law, according to a Y2K consultant to the state of Michigan.

All the mechanisms have been put in place for mass evacuations of people to government shelters, government takeover of utilities and private industries, martial law, and a complete transfer of power from local governments to the federal government, according to Franklin Frith. ...

... Frith says he believes the federal government has plans to take control of many private resources, perhaps with the use of the military to ensure they get what they want. As evidence of this, he points to Executive Order 12919 and a statement by the president's Y2K guru.

"In a crisis and emergency situation, the free market may not be the best way to distribute resources... If there's a point in time where we have to take resources and make a judgement on an emergency basis, we will be prepared to do that," said John Koskinen in a Dec. 3, 1998, report of the President's Council on the Year 2000. 

Executive Order 12919:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_govdocs/eos/ eo12919.html

See also ... March 4,1999
What FEMA has in mind
Use of military as police force, population relocation

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ bluesky_bresnahan/19990304_xex_what_fema_ha.shtml

... "Each state has the general responsibility for law enforcement, utilizing local resources, and State resources, including the National Guard (to the extent that the National Guard remains State authority and has not been called into Federal service or ordered into active duty)," says the FEMA plan. ...

FEMA Federal Response Plan:

http://www.fema.gov/ fema/plan2.html

FEMA: "Contingency and Consequence Management Planning for Year 2000 Conversion: A Guide for State and Local Emergency Managers."

... Y2K Planning Guide for State and Local Emergency Managers Now Available Washington February 19, 1999 -- FEMA has developed a planning guide designed to assist states and local governments in preparing Y2K contingency and consequence management plans. ...

Links to download complete FEMA EM guide ...

http://www.fema.gov/y2k/ ccmp.htm

See Also ...

... FEMA Issues Consumers Guide on Preparing for Y2K Washington, February 23, 1999 - The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has issued a consumer's guide to preparing for the Year 2000, the Y2K Bulletin...

Announcement ...

http://www.fema.gov/y2k/ y2k0223.htm

FEMA Consumer Guide ...

http://www.fema.gov/y2k/ bltn00.htm

Another related World Net Daily article:

March 4,1999
Is the government hiding something?
Y2K emergency officials disagree over source of crisis

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ bluesky_bresnahan/19990304_xex_is_governmen.shtml

... Mike Prince, Michigan State Police Emergency Management Division public affairs officer. Full disclosure of Y2K related documents, and even transcripts of meetings and discussions are available without restriction, he says. ... Web-site:

http://www.mspemd.org/

Michigan State Police: Y2K - Maintaining Essential Services in the New Millennium A Y2K Assessment Tool and Contingency Planning Guide

http://www.mspemd.org/ Y2Kweb1.htm

Michigan State Police: Y2K Links ...

http://www.mspemd.org/ y2klinks.htm

... Prince said he has a store of water, food, blankets, flashlights and similar gear in his basement. Those items are part of a72-hour supply for any emergency, not just Y2K. All families should do the same thing he claims, but nothing more. The guidelines come from FEMA and the Red Cross. ...

FEMA Y2K Info Page ...

http://www.fema.gov/y2k/

... The National Guard will be part of the exercise, but both groups say this is nothing unusual. Readiness drills are a normal part of what they do. Nationally, the guard will be conducting a practice mobilization using radios instead of telephones on May 1 and 2. ...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ bluesky_exnews/19990128_xex_national_gua.shtml

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), March 04, 1999.