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Dear Forum Members,After reading through some previous threads, I think it would be a good idea to compile a list of basic supplies to sustain a family of 4 for one month. These questions generally come from recent GI's who have very little time or knowlege of Y2K prep. It would be a list they can print out and head to the store to get alot done in a short period of time. I believe the items below could be obtained in less than a week and provide a minimum preparedness level.
Here are my thoughts...would appreciate all constructive and positive feedback (yes, Bardou, that was aimed at you).
120 gal water (minimum) 30 lbs. rice 20 lbs. beans 30 cans vegetables 30 cans fruit 30 cans meat (tuna, chicken, turkey, ham, etc) 10 cans of soups or stews 8 lbs. powdered milk (yield 10 gallons) 5 lbs sugar 4 lbs. honey 8 cans liquid juice concentrate (like Welch's) 6 boxes whole grain cereal 1 large cannister of instant oats 3 boxes bisquick 1lb. salt
60 count multi vitamins 60 count children's mutivitamins 60 count advil 60 count kid's tylenol 2 month supply of any prescription drugs 2 tubes toothpaste 2 deoderant 2 bars soap 1 gal bleach 24 rolls TP 20 lg garbage bags
1 well stocked first aid kit - it is highly recommeded that you supplement any prepackaged kit you buy 1 campstove 10 propane cannisters 3 oil lamps 6 lamp oil 6 extra wicks 1 transister radio with extra batteries
YOU MUST EVALUATE YOUR HEATING NEEDS BASED ON YOUR SITUATION AND LOCATION.
This is not meant to be a comprehensive list and shuld be altered to meet your family's individual needs. You can double or triple the recommended quantities if you feel more preparation is required. Don't forget "comfort items" (chocolate, coffee, books, games, alcohol, tobacco, etc.)
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 27, 1999
Hit the submit button too soon (forgot veggie oil - probably forgot alot of stuff).Once I have collected all of your feedback, I will adjust the list and repost it on a separate thread. Please keep in mind that this is a "quick hit" shopping list intended not to be comprehensive, but to allow folks to stock up on basics in a rapid manner.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 27, 1999.
Sorry about the formatting...it didn't look like that when I typed it in!R.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 27, 1999.
Hope this helps120 gal water (minimum)
30 lbs. rice
20 lbs. beans
30 cans vegetables
30 cans fruit
30 cans meat (tuna, chicken, turkey, ham, etc)
10 cans of soups or stews >br>8 lbs. powdered milk (yield 10 gallons)
5 lbs sugar
4 lbs. honey
8 cans liquid juice concentrate (like Welch's)
6 boxes whole grain cereal
1 large cannister of instant oats
3 boxes bisquick
1lb. salt
60 count multi vitamins
60 count children's mutivitamins
60 count advil
60 count kid's tylenol
2 month supply of any prescription drugs
2 tubes toothpaste
2 deoderant
2 bars soap
1 gal bleach
24 rolls TP
20 lg garbage bags
1 well stocked first aid kit - it is highly recommeded that you supplement any prepackaged kit you buy
1 campstove
10 propane cannisters
3 oil lamps
6 lamp oil
6 extra wicks
1 transister radio with extra batteries
-- De (delewis@inetone.net), March 27, 1999.
Petfood and water for pet(s), Wet Wipes (store brand), paper towels, manual can opener, coffee and/or tea. Need some starches--potato flakes, pasta, crackers.
-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), March 27, 1999.
I think you did well and if I were just getting started would be very happy to have this list. It would at least get the brain in gear and I found that takes awhile. One has to have a wrenching change in thoughts/plans to cope with this issue. But.......I would definately ashcan the concentrated juices and buy the 46oz cans of juice ready to drink. Water can be better utilized than having to dilute concentrates. Once they have the basics and get brain in gear they will flesh it all out. Today we are having our weekly y2k meal. Pot of ham and beans cooked in the "bush box" and corn bread made from hand ground corn and wheat and cooked in the solar oven. We have had it before and its every bit as good as cooked on/in stove. Thanks again.Got salt and pepper???
-- Taz (tassie@aol.com), March 27, 1999.
I have been "lurking" watching this site for a couple of months and have to say that you guys are the best I've seen on any Y2K BB anywhere. I feel I can add to this post; the best list I've found so far in Terry Derryberry's at http://www.y2klinks.net/Y2Ksupplies.htm. Maybe someone can make it into a hyperlink. Thanks. Sandmann
-- novacop (Sandmann@alasbab.com), March 27, 1999.
I would increase the water, add fire starter and fire putter outer. Got protection or bugout plan?
-- Daryl Bittner (rushmore@dailypost.com), March 27, 1999.
Thanks De! For future reference, how did you do that?R.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 27, 1999.
Garden seeds, garden seeds, garden seeds... as well as some fertilizer and insecticide.
-- sparks (wireless@home.com), March 27, 1999.
Another important item that I would have is electrolyte. This can be made up in small ziplock bags and used when needed. Taz brought this up in a previous thread March 19th with the recipe. Or you can buy powdered Gatorade. If there is sickeness involved this could come in very handy and it does not take up much space.See Disease-Diarrhea- Dehydration- Death still on the new answers page for March 19th.
-- Martin Thompson (Martin@aol.com), March 27, 1999.
Roland, you forgot to tell everyone that the budget is $1,000.00. And what happens after one month and things are not normal. No job, no money, no water and no food. One hundred and twenty gallons of water for a family of 4 is BARE minimum. Please address personal hygiene, disposal of human waste, heating is a big issue because it's expensive and Y2K will happen in the dead of winter. Not being negative here, just thinking ahead which is what every newbie will have to learn and do. There are a lot more issues that one will have to consider, like family and friends showing up, what about civil unrest, etc. Give newbies a realistic total picture from a bump in the road to a worse case scenario and plan accordingly. I noticed that the posters on this thread kept adding to the list of things for a newbie to have and the cash register keeps adding it up. Now we have the gas prices on the rise which means supplies will cost more. And one more thing, booze and cigarettes are very expensive, Paul only has $1,000 to spend.
-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), March 27, 1999.
Contraseptives - unless you want a family of five or can "hold out" for that long.
-- kimbo WA (aliveandwell@WA.com), March 27, 1999.
ListHope all these work! :-)
-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), March 27, 1999.
I admit this is shameless hucksterism but ====> Check out
thisand drop some ideas. Chuck If the link won't: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000eui
-- Chuck, a night driver (reinzoo@en.com), March 27, 1999.
ROLAND!!!!!! YOUR LIST IS A JOKE!!!!! IT IS LIKE A GIRLSCOUT CAMPOUT LIST!!!!Ed Yourdon said to prepare for ONE YEAR OF DISRUPTIONS AND TEN YEARS OF DEPRESSION!!!!! ROLAND, your list equals the government lies and spin about Y2K!
ROLAND, LETS GET SERIOUS ABOUT Y2K!!!!
-- smitty (smitty@sandiego.com), March 28, 1999.
Here are some Web sites, from basic to involved, on prepardness:American Red Cross -- Disaster Supplies Kit
FEMA -- Emergency Food and Water Supplies
Roleigh Martin's Y2K Info and Prep brochure for anonymous mailing
Individual Preparation for Y2K
With commonsense planning, you can survive hard times
Community Preparation - The Cassandra Project
-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), March 28, 1999.
Roland,I appreciate your effort for latecomers, (hey that's me)
Instant Antibacterial Hand Gel --- to help conserve water.
Not very expensive at Sam's Club.
Candles, matches, lighters.
Heavy blankets/sleeping bags (cold climate)
Take inventory of things you may have packed away. (for example I always buy candles in Christmas colors by the dozen on clearance after Christmas for the next year) Maybe that dusty camping eqipment in the Garage will yield a treasure or two.
baby stuff, teething gel, ointment, wipes etc.
First Aid Book (we really should have this anyway, right?)
Hide some toys/books that your kids won't miss & pull them out if/when the power goes down, they will be like new & comforting as well.
-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), March 28, 1999.
EVERYTHING MENTIONED HERE COSTS MONEY AND TIME! Something a lot of people don't have.
-- beano (beano@beans.com), March 28, 1999.
I led a y2k-sheltered life up until a month or so ago, and then we got internet access and POW!!!! Guess you may appreciate the tornado of emotions I've been through. I am a father of two teens and have never considered myself to be out of touch, if you know what I mean. But this whole thing has taken me by suprise. Needless to say I have spent every moment I can get on the net, working around two teens sharing the single phone line to our house. I have been desperately searching for someone to tell me that it's gong to be all right. I will be/am very grateful to this forum in particular for leading me to information I can use. I have been using the list from "Chilkoot Trail Supplies" from the y2k_survlist site. It was a great starting point and I guess that it this best point of all, because from the day I quit protecting my 'physc and began protecting my ass, I have lost many of the desperate feelings of panic and hopelessness. I am still at times overwhelmed by the enormity of the problem, and the implications. I'm a "boomer" that didn't, so I have no source to tap for the $$$ it required to be Y2k_compliant on a TEOTWAWKI survival/life skills level. But I do have enough for a family of 4 for a year to survive a 6 - 7, on a Food, Shelter, Clothing basis already. It wasn't hard. It wasn't that expensive, it is without frills, and it is subject to change if time permits. But "IT IS WHAT IT IS"toot..toot and I an glad about it. Well I've been on since 3am and I guess I better 'GET OFF' here but I again want to thank the sincere GI's for spending the countless hours searching and reporting valuable and potential life saving info for us newbies. I look forward to meeting you again.
-- spun@lright (mikeymac@uswest.net), March 28, 1999.
Come on, Beano, we know that. What's your point? Mine is that if I prepare as well as I can for Sweetie and me then the aid agencies have two less mouths to feed. The more people who prepare--IF they can or will--the more aid will be available to those who cannot or have not prepared. Even the notorious three-day prep will help a little. ANYthing is better than nothing.
-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), March 28, 1999.
Response to A "quick hit", one month shopping list for recent GI's
Don't forget needles and lots of thread to darn those socks.
-- Spidey (in@jam.com), March 28, 1999.
I appreciate the constructive feedback. I am adjusting my list accordingly and hope that this can dovetail in with Chuck's recent (and very good thread). I will post our collaborated list early this week. Please keep the feedback coming.To smitty, barbou et. al. - You are part of the problem, not the solution. All I have heard in recent months (not necessarily from you, however) is "when are people going to get it??? People will die if they don't prepare!"" Then comes the few that are getting it and they are being told "you are too late!...there's nothing you can do at this late date!..."
I find that position to be as dangerous and misleading, if not more so, that the government line about 3 day prep.
R.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 28, 1999.
Roland: What happen's to the 3-day preparer after the third day of supplies are gone? Got chocolate, coffee, books, games, alcohol, tobacco, etc?)., may as well party hardy. BTW, don't go placing blame on me that I am part of the problem. It will be a no problem for me except for those that wonder up my way wanting a handout. How does that saying go..."Piss poor planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part." The only solution will be is for those people to get on the bus and have Uncle Same take care of them. Got chocolate, coffee, books, games, alcohol, tobacco, etc? And, remember water, and lots of it!
-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), March 28, 1999.
Bardou -If you weren't so distracted formulating you comebacks, you would know that the list is for one month, not 3 days. Personally, I believe one month is not enough, but everyone needs to make their own decision on this. This is a starting point. This is meant to be helpful. This is apparently something you cannot grasp.
No one, not even you, has a monopoly on the truth of what will happen. R.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), March 29, 1999.
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-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), March 30, 1999.
Roland,In case you have not otherwise received an answer to how De made the list look as it appears above, it seems that a less than character followed by the letters br followed by a greater than character will cause what follows to start on a new line.
Jerry
-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), March 30, 1999.
Roland,Thank you for your efforts. It's obvious to me your heart is in the right place. Keep on doing that which you do.
As a longtime lurker & occasional poster, I offer the following opinion (this subject has been addressed by others gadzillions of times):
I've found that most of us have buttons which when pushed (i.e. due to reading a post) causes our blood pressure to rise & pulse quicken. These events are followed immediately by an impulse to post a response to the poster who triggered our nerves.
Respond if it helps to alleviate the stress. If one still feels agitated well after clicking the 'submit' button, we may wish to internally ID those posters that truly annoy us (individually) & affirm to not read the agitator's posts for awhile. I do this & it helps a great deal. Y2K is tough enough on the nervous system. Why make things even more difficult for ourselves?
Remember folks - often times it is not the content of the post which sends us into the upper reaches of the stratosphere - it is the TONE with which it is written.
Carry on!
-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), March 30, 1999.
It's now June. Anyone have any other advice to add to this list for folks who are just beginning their preps?
-- Libby Alexander (libbyalex@aol.com), June 10, 1999.
Great idea, Roland! Thanks for doing this. I like the one month idea. Everyone can then multiply it out to fit their comfort level.How about adding paper plates, bowls, etc. Not having to wash the dishes will save on water. If we don't use these in January, we'll be all set for those spring and summer picnics ;-)
Also aluminum foil can sometimes be used instead of a pot or pan if you plan your meals just right (think campfire/fireplace packet meals) and saves on the water again. Don't forget the matches/lighters.
I look forward to seeing the completed list.
-- Linda M. (xxx@xxx.xxx), June 11, 1999.
Roland:How quickly exactly do oil lamps burn through their wicks? I notice you suggest 3 oil lamps, 6 bottles of lamp oil and 6 extra wicks for one month. Also, where does one buy those extra wicks?
Thanks,
Anita
-- Anita Spooner (spoonera@msn.com), June 11, 1999.
Anita - WalMart had them in the same display area with their lamps, as did my local ACE hardware store. Did see them at Home depot, didn't look for them last time I was at Lowes.Neat thread - let me review it with Veronica this weekend, she may have some recommendations.
To the general group, what woudl be different if you wanted to cover only two weeks, not four weeks?
What would be different if two adults were present, no kids? (Treat anybody over 12 as 'adult" in this kind of situation?)
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), June 11, 1999.
Anita - be careful about wicks. There are at least 2 different widths, and I'm not sure if the thicknesses are the same. Wicks will burn more quickly if they are set higher than need be. You might want to sacrifice a wick and a bottle of lamp oil to see what kind of mileage you get out of it in the conditions you would be using it.
-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), June 11, 1999.
Thanks, Brooks.I burned an oil lamp all evening recently when the electricity went out. I noticed that both the oil and wick had imperceptibly changed. It's for this reason that I question 6 extra wicks for 3 lamps for 1 month.
Anita
-- Anita Spooner (spoonera@msn.com), June 11, 1999.
Make sure you have an extra manual can opener in case the first one breaks...
-- Libby Alexander (libbyalex@aol.com), June 11, 1999.
Moving on up!
-- && (&&@&&.&), June 13, 1999.
Don't forget pet food...To the top...
-- Libby Alexander (libbyalex@aol.com), June 13, 1999.
Just back from Hilton Head and I'm too relaxed for my own good!I will print out this thread and compile the finished list this week (as finished as it can be for now...) nad post it on a separate thread.
I will include any additional that are submitted before Tuesday.
Thanks for the input!
R.
-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), June 13, 1999.
Another recent thread on this topic is at:http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000shh
"LINK REQUESTS: Which Are Your Favorite Y2K Preparation Checklists? (For The New GI)"
-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), June 13, 1999.