The thread that published Ed Yourdon's response to "What happened to the April 1, 1999 predictions" has been deleted. I think there is a cover up to hide the number of Y2K predictions not coming true. What do you think? The missing thread:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000hJE

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999

Answers

Folks,

I deleted the thread, sorry that I didn't post a message to explain why. I'm not sure who posted the message originally, but the material belongs to the Cutter Consortium, a research organization for which I'm the Director of the Y2K Advisory Service. We write a series of in- depth reserarch reports and weekly email briefings for our clients, and that message was one of them. Someone got his hands on it and decided to publish it on -- of all places -- the forum that I maintain. The material is copyrighted by the Cutter Consortium and, unlike the many other essays and articles that are available on my web site, that email briefing is not "public domain".

It's not a coverup or a plot, just an attempt to maintain some level of respect for the copyright laws.

The issue of Y2K predictions "not coming true", and the interpretation of what that means, has already been thoroughly discussed on this forum...

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), April 09, 1999.

Well isn't that curious. Wonder if this thread will survive?

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 09, 1999.

Well, it IS Ed's forum and he can do whatever he pleases with it. There are other threads missing as well. If I were short on space, I'd delete the threads I didn't like/want too. C'est le forum.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), April 09, 1999.

Maybe it was deleted bacause of our JavaScript fiend . <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 09, 1999.

I don't really think Y2K will "go Infomagic"...

...but with the Global Economy so fragile, China ready to go to war over Taiwan and the USSR coming back to life (and massing troops), just a little Y2K problem in the US (and "big problems in developing nations") may show that Infomagic is an optimist.

Technically, the Y2K optimists are probably fairly "close to the mark". It's just those other nasty (and related) issues that concern me.

Ed won't "nuke" a thread here unless it borders (or exceeds) on obscenity. Folks here have great memories, and Ed would loose all credibility.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), April 09, 1999.

Maybe it's because I've been right about the money hungry little jerk since the first time I started posting about his BS.

This forum has become known on other forums as "Ed Yourdon's Fear Factory".

Anything that doesn't indicate total plutonic reversal due to Y2K failures is counter-productive to his book and video sales.

But in less than a year he won't care what any of you people think because he and his family will have comfortably retired to some tropical climate with all the money he scammed from scared D & G'ers.

I for one am anxious to find out what EY has to say about the next round of failures of April 9, 1999. Oh thats right, "... it will take a few weeks for the results from any failures to be reported..."

What a bunch of bullshit

-- (Go To Hell Ed @ Yourdon. com), April 09, 1999.

Copyright laws!!!

Well isn't that convienent. (No one ever cared about respecting copyright laws in ten thousand other threads)

You should have worked at Washington Ed

-- (Go To Hell Ed @ Yourdon. com), April 09, 1999.

Copyright is the reason I post links instead of articles, except for short snips (allowed by the courts if you give the authors name) and my own stuff. Therefore, would someone please put up a link to the disputed material? I don't have one.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 09, 1999.

Listen "go to", I don't have Ed's book, or Rick Cowles' book, or Les Rayburn's video because I have the WWW, and can get enough information on this topic. I understand that Ed's book was available for FREE for quite a while on his web site. I think Ed did a great thing by bringing his book to people that don't have a computer, still the vast majority. Ed and Rick and Les did not cause this problem. If it were not for people like them, we would be in even deeper crap next year.

Welcome to America. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 09, 1999.

Copyright laws is an acceptable excuse for not publishing that article on this forum. However, that article were your thoughts on (defense of) the crumbling predictions you made about Y2K problems in 1999. Why don't you comment on this thread? Change your wording to not infringe on the copyright laws. Do you still believe in the ten year depression prediction when there is evidence of fiscal software surviving?

Old Git, sounds like you are getting a little defensive. Yes Ed can delete any messages he wants; it's his playground. However when the message pertain to "good news", you have to become a little suspicious. The doomers become suspicious about the numbers of critical systems decreasing. Why don't you question this also?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999.

Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/099/nation/Unfounded_rumors_can_prov e_indestructible_in_cyberspace+.shtml

Unfounded rumors can prove indestructible in cyberspace

By Patti Hartigan, Globe Staff, 04/09/99

phony Web site touting a mythical corporate takeover sent stock prices soaring - and then plummeting - on Wall Street Wednesday. It hammered home an important lesson that is often lost in the hype about the Internet:

You can't believe everything you read on line - even when it's relayed by well-meaning colleagues and friends. Rumors and hoaxes proliferate in cyberspace, and perfectly reasonable people are prone to believe them and pass them on.

''We trust technology more than the government,'' said Patricia Turner, a professor of African-American studies at the University of California at Davis and author of ''I Heard It Through the Grapevine.'' ''The Internet seems to be a sophisticated purveyor of information, so we think, `If it comes through expensive hardware, it must be so.'''

The bogus Web site, which looked like a page of Bloomberg News and ''reported'' the sale of an American technology company called Pairgain Technologies Inc., was obviously the work of a sophisticated snake-in-the-grass. And the fraud worked: Some investors were left sheepishly counting their losses, while some day traders, who use the Internet to capitalize on instant changes in stock prices, undoubtedly cleared a tidy profit.

Government regulators were searching for the source of the story yesterday, and Lycos Inc., which operates the service where the phony Web page appeared, said it would cooperate.

Hackers and hoaxers who alter pages or post phony sites are as old as the medium itself; just this week, a prankster set up a satiric page designed to convince browsers it was the official Senate campaign site for Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York. And cyber celebrity Matt Drudge routinely spreads rumors on his widely read Web site.

But the spread of misinformation on line isn't always malicious, although it is almost always infectious. As more and more people are relying on the Internet for information and communication, the old- fashioned urban legend - once passed from neighbor to neighbor by word of mouth - has proliferated in cyberspace. Tall tales of horror and doom, of corruption and gloom, breed rapidly in cyberspace, spreading as fast as a cold virus in a room full of toddlers.

Some of these rumors are harmless, like the widely circulated tale about the upscale department store that charged $250 for a cookie recipe. Others are annoying, like the chain e-mail promising good luck or quick cash. But still others have the potential to harm businesses or to inspire genuine fear.

A few examples: Have you heard the one about designer Tommy Hilfiger making racist statements on the Oprah Winfrey show? Have you been warned about asbestos in tampons or air freshener that kills pets? Have you been cautioned about kidnappers in mall parking lots or gang members lurking on highways or needles infected with the AIDS virus that show up in movie theaters and coin-return slots? Have you been alerted that the Voter Rights Act is set to expire in 2007, disenfranchising African-Americans?

None of these stories is true. But all of them have been circulating for years via e-mail and electronic bulletin boards. Enough people believe them to make these rumors multiply with a few taps on a keyboard and a click of a mouse.

Folklorists who study such trends say these rumors proliferate because they tap into deep societal fears. ''They touch on our ambivalence about the things we worry about, the things that concern us,'' Turner said. Rumors about the spread of the AIDS virus and tall tales about stolen kidneys, for instance, reflect common anxieties about infectious disease as well as a general concern about the health care system. And rumors about government conspiracies, such as the one about the Voter Rights Act, reveal an overall societal distrust of ''official'' information.

At the same time, these stories can stroke egos; people who pass them on to friends and colleagues often feel as if they are doing a good deed. ''It feeds a person's sense of self-importance,'' said Barbara Mikkelson, an amateur folklorist who with her husband, David, runs the popular urban legends resource site http://www.snopes.com. ''They think, `If I can warn you about this big scary thing that is happening in our world, for that moment, I will feel like I'm in the spotlight a little bit.'

''And you also have access to a wider audience,'' she said. ''Before if you got a great story, you'd make a photocopy and stick it up on the bulletin board by the elevator. Now all you have to do is hit the alt-forward key and send it out.''

The ease of transmission makes it nearly impossible to kill an Internet rumor, no matter how outrageous, defamatory, or potentially damaging. The Hilfiger rumor, for one, exploded on the Internet in 1996, and it's still going strong. According to the story, long proven false, the designer went on the Oprah show and said that he didn't want African-Americans or Asians to wear his pricy signature clothing. Both Hilfiger and representatives from the Oprah show issued statements denying the rumor - Hilfiger has never even appeared on the show - but the tale simmers down for a while and then reemerges apace.

That kind of story is what experts call a ''diving rumor,'' a tale that is repeatedly debunked but refuses to die. ''It's like one of those carnival games, where you have a mallet and you have to hit whatever comes up,'' said Gary Alan Fine, a sociology professor at Northwestern University and author of ''Manufacturing Tales.'' ''It comes up. It is batted down. Then a few weeks later, it comes up again in another place.''

A textbook example of a diving rumor emerged late last year. According to the original tale, Steve Burns, host of the Nickelodeon children's show ''Blue's Clues,'' had died in a car crash. The rumor fizzled, but a few weeks ago, it reemerged - with dramatic embellishment. The new version claims that the cable network is covering up Burns's death by using a look-alike in the show, a tale similar to the ''Paul is dead'' stories that circulated about Paul McCartney in the '60s and '70s.

But this particular story didn't just affect mature adults: It spread among young children, who were understandably distraught. ''Some people might think this is a joke, but it isn't funny for these children,'' said Angela Santomero, the show's co-creator and co- executive producer. ''They regard Steve as a great camp counselor, and that's why they're so upset.''

Daniel Anderson, a psychology professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and a ''Blue's Clues'' consultant, said the rumors were likely started by cynical adults who are put off by the show's innocence. ''There is a resentment of the characters that have special places in the hearts of children,'' he said. ''But these kinds of rumors can be extremely destructive and are certainly upsetting to young children.''

Some urban legends wreak financial, rather than emotional, damage. But one man's rumor is another man's business opportunity: Several companies have been founded to monitor rumors on the Internet, providing a sort of electronic clipping service for corporate clients. In 1994, a company called eWatch was formed specifically to help corporations track rumors on line; it has since been bought by the Phoenix-based company WavePhore Inc. ''Some of these rumors are difficult to kill, and it's important to know where they're showing up,'' said eWatch co-founder James Alexander. ''You have to be looking for smoke, because where there's smoke, there is going to be fire.''

For $13,000 a year, clients receive daily reports, which are generated by computer software that scans the Internet. In one high- profile case, eWatch stepped in to do damage control when a rumor about Mrs. Field's cookies arose in 1995 after the verdict in the first O. J. Simpson trial. The television show ''Hard Copy'' reported that the cookie company catered a party for the jurors, a false story that spread like wildfire on the Internet. ''The company had a single- digit decrease in sales that couldn't be explained,'' Alexander said. ''The decision was made to respond, and we went into all the areas where the rumor was appearing and posted rebuttals. After seven to 10 days, the rumor disappeared.''

Most rumors aren't debunked that easily, though, and some say the tendency to believe them is rooted in a superficial society. ''We live in this tabloid culture,'' said Kay Gibbs, a South End resident who has been on line for several years. ''We read about the semen- stained blue dress, so why not have an on-line discussion about some stupid thing that turns out not to be true?''

For all of its chaotic freedom, the Internet has a dark side: Every day is April Fools' Day in cyberspace. Pernicious rumors are difficult to squelch and even harder to trace. ''It's hard to find the precise moment when an urban legend comes into being,'' said Mikkelson. ''It's like trying to find out where a river starts.''

-- no can do (no@can.do), April 09, 1999.

"Unfounded rumors can prove indestructible in cyberspace "

It is my experience that unfounded lies and half-truths are the "bed- rock" of mainstream media and Government ("Public") schools.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), April 09, 1999.

I wonder if poor little 'go to' will ever realize that 99.9 percent of the folks on this board don't buy anything from any of the posters OR from Ed Yourdon...

sad

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 09, 1999.

Arlin,

You bought into the FEAR.

-- Ha (ha@ha.ha), April 09, 1999.

As someone who's been a victim of plagiarism and copyright violations a number of times I respect and support Ed's position. However, I must confess I've been guilty in the past of posting articles but I do try to post the entire text including the ) copyright info.

I would be interested in hearing what the deeper legal issues might be considering this forum is not for commercial use and I don't believe that anyone is making money utilizing the posted material.

Mike ===============================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), April 09, 1999.

You should know that it is *NOT* alright to copy someone else's work in its entirety onto a web board. It doesn't matter what the purpose of the board is or whether you think it is for "educational" purposes. And including their copyright notice makes no difference.

Here's one link w/ info. about the copyright laws:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/copyright.html

-- You should know (cut@ndpaste.notOK), April 09, 1999.

**

But the spread of misinformation on line isn't always malicious, although it is almost always infectious. As more and more people are relying on the Internet for information and communication, the old- fashioned urban legend - once passed from neighbor to neighbor by word of mouth - has proliferated in cyberspace. Tall tales of horror and doom, of corruption and gloom, breed rapidly in cyberspace, spreading as fast as a cold virus in a room full of toddlers.

Some of these rumors are harmless, like the widely circulated tale about the upscale department store that charged $250 for a cookie recipe. Others are annoying, like the chain e-mail promising good luck or quick cash. But still others have the potential to harm businesses or to inspire genuine fear. **

This is so true, someone can give a "personal opinion" that 40 billion "embedded chips" exist with the chance of 10% or less may have Y2K failures due to date issues and all need to be checked, and the whole world is suddenly scared that anything that uses electricity has the potential to fail and goes off the deep end in fear. Even though later the "opinion" is said to have been proven too high. And remember this was not stated as fact, but disclaimered as "my opinion only". Now Grandma is afraid of her waffle iron, and you don't know if your curling iron will fail in 2000.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), April 09, 1999.

Maria oh Maria, if you were spending all this time on writing an article for Cory, it probably would have been done by now.

Do you have a personal VENDETTA against participants on this forum or are you just getting paid for this crap?

Sincerely, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Cherri, how about the disinformation campaign that is waged daily by this administration and its spoon fed major media outlets.

Any comments? Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

I see that gnat buzzing around again.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999.

Maria, you claim to be so busy with y2k remediation. How is it that you have sooooo much time to spin on this forum? Sincerely The Gnat@buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Maria,

I have been following this forum for some time and admittedly only follow threads that may have something of value to offer. But I do not ever remember coming across a statement by you saying that you are working on Y2k remediation. Is this true? (If so good luck with all your efforts, I know you have your hands full.) If not then Ray is just proving the earlier points and doing exactly what he is accussing everyone else of doing (pot calling the kettle black).

-- ???? (????@?.?), April 09, 1999.

Ray, just for your info. Most of us so-called pollys are involved in Y2K projects.

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 09, 1999.

??? I have posted before that I have been working on Y2K remediation. Started in 1996 in one capacity or another including PM, contingency planning and test planning. Most of the gloomers didn't probably read that part though. They are more interested in how clueless I am.

I've moved on now because our Y2K work is done.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999.

Doomslayer commented:

"Ray, just for your info. Most of us so-called pollys are involved in Y2K projects."

Doomslayer, how is it that all you weasels pop out of the woodwork when I have something to say? If you are soooo dedicated to your y2k work how do you have time to scan these threads. Something is definitely awry here. It takes time to keep up with all of the posts here. Is your employer paying for your comments here?

The Gnat, @buggingu

-- Ray (Ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Maria,

Congrats that you have finished your Y2k efforts. Can't wait until I can say the same, unfortunately I am among the many who we be obligated to see this through until next Feb. at least.

Ray, My apologies, you were not speading disinformation about Maria's Y2k involvement after all.

-- ???? (????@?.?), April 09, 1999.

--????commented:

"Maria,

I have been following this forum for some time and admittedly only follow threads that may have something of value to offer. But I do not ever remember coming across a statement by you saying that you are working on Y2k remediation. Is this true? (If so good luck with all your efforts, I know you have your hands full.) If not then Ray is just proving the earlier points and doing exactly what he is accussing everyone else of doing (pot calling the kettle black). "

--????, if you only follow threads that have something of value to offer what are you doing on this one. If I didn't know better I would say that you might be part of this TROLL PATROL that is currently active on this thread.

The Gnat, @buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Ray,

How is it YOU have so much time to spend here? Just laying around the shanty waiting for the welfare checks to come rolling in.

-- $$$ ($$$@$$$.$$$), April 09, 1999.

Another member of the TROLL PATROL commented:

"Ray,

How is it YOU have so much time to spend here? Just laying around the shanty waiting for the welfare checks to come rolling in. '

I just LOVE to see you folks come out of the woodwork and display your intellect.

The Gnat @buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

It has nothing to do with you having something to say Ray.

I found the subject of this thread extremely interesting.

And the reason I spend time here at Yourdon's is mostly because, much like many here say about North, even though I don't agree with the conclusions being drawn here, it is still a damn good source for the latest Y2K headlines.

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 09, 1999.

Some comments made by Ed Yourdon before April 1, 1999 about fiscal year rollovers are on this thread:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000f20

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), April 09, 1999.

Maria's comments about employment from yesterday's thread requesting a POLLY GEEK to write an article for WRP:

" I have a degree in Math, Masters in Space Operations; I worked in strategic missile planning, nuclear war simulations (including optimization techniques such as Lagrangian multipliers) and planning, command control and communications (C3) systems planning and implementation, security systems (including biometrics) for military systems, systems management, and project management for Y2K. So when the discussions center around these topics, I usually jump in."

Project Manager .... does that indicate hands on coding experience Maria? Does your employer care if you spend all of this time with us DOOMERS? Maybe that is what your employer wants you to do!!! That would be interesting to delve into.

The Gnat, @bugginggu Let me ask you

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

It's these kinds of Y2K predictions that concern me:

http://www.auto.com/industry/qbug23.htm

But the Big Three are confident they will enter the new millennium smoothly. GM, Ford and Chrysler plan to finish debugging by the end of 1998.

[from April 1998]

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), April 09, 1999.

Ray,

This site is supposed to be a means for all to share information and discuss the topic of Y2k. Those of us working the problem are trying to share (within whatever constraints) what we can. I for one find that sometimes browsing through here can be interesting to see the intellegent interactions and debates. Resorting to flaming and name calling is not a sign of such traits. You say you want information from those working the problem but when we do make attempts at it you snub us. If you are so convinced and do not want to here from people working on the issue are you saying that you do not want the problem solved and you are like some of the radical doomers and want TEOTWAWKI? Or are just playing an infintile game of instigation?

-- ???? (????@?.?), April 09, 1999.

My understanding is Ed has said over, and over, these are just dates to watch, most likley non events that will put more people in denial. They still are dates to watch.Alot of us in America live in areas that have natural disasters and are suposed to have supplys, alot of us understand that the government wants us to be able to take care of ourselves. At least the local governments, which are citizens just like you and me.Were all grownups.Why do we have to keep fighting about this?I think it was Ed who said earlier it's to late to get into philosophical arguments about who's right, and who's wrong. It's time to quit arguing about how many Y2K angels can dance on the head of a pin. If nothing happens we can eat this mistake! Buying a little at a time is to prevent panic, not cause it.It's kind of ironic when you think about it. We who prepare, fear the unprepared masses, you who don't want to prepare fear us.Our Mayor told us that if we buy a little extra at a time, we will not depleat the shelves. If everyone waits till Dec., we will have a problem. So far, It's not a problem.We know there are people who can't afford to buy food, so we will have to provide for them, like we do now.We don't ridicule or pressure anyone to adopt our assestment plan. Thanks Ed for the free book you sent.Maria out of all respect, I'm wondering what conginceny plans your company has.Glad your Y2k problems are under control. Remember that Beatles song, We Can Work It Out? "Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend.... Only time will tell who's right and who is wrong"....There's a Chance that we may fall apart before to long, We Can Work It Out".......... ALOHA

-- Justin Case (justin case@Aloha.com), April 09, 1999.

--???? commented:

"Ray,

This site is supposed to be a means for all to share information and discuss the topic of Y2k."

Let's then share information and not look to put folks down as Maria has attempted to do here.

"Those of us working the problem are trying to share (within whatever constraints) what we can."

This seems to be the MANTRA of YOU folks. EXACTLY what is it you do? Please share it with us now. Be SPECIFIC!!

" I for one find that sometimes browsing through here can be interesting to see the intellegent interactions and debates. Resorting to flaming and name calling is not a sign of such traits."

I don't name call, I do look for folks who may not be what they infer they are.

"You say you want information from those working the problem but when we do make attempts at it you snub us."

Information PLEASE .... no more BS thank you.

"If you are so convinced and do not want to here from people working on the issue are you saying that you do not want the problem solved and you are like some of the radical doomers and want TEOTWAWKI? Or are just playing an infintile game of instigation?"

La De Da ...... rant on my friend.

Tell us WHAT YOU DO please --????

Ray, anxiously awating a response

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

italics off?

-- off (off@off.off), April 09, 1999.

guess not . Anyway Ray, I guess that youre a retired crusty old fart with nothing better to do than sit around and call people names.

-- off (off@off.off), April 09, 1999.

Oh I forgot to add... Ray contrary to what you may believe it doesn't take much deep thinking or time to respond to your inane posts.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999.

Cap I

-- Close (That@tag.man), April 09, 1999.

lower case i

-- Close (that@tag.man), April 09, 1999.

Sometimes, , this works. Probably not today.

-- Lisa (close@it.please), April 09, 1999.

Maria commented:

"??? I'm impressed, you struck a nerve with Ray. Keep in mind that a gnat's life is very short. They are here to eat, sh*!, and have sex, then they are gone."

Maria, this definitely indicates your maturity level. Still need an answer to my question did you ever cut any code? How is it that when one of you posts some of your BS there is another one RIGHT behind. This is quite curious. You ALL seem to be quite coordinated.

The Gnat, @buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Maria commented:

"guess not . Anyway Ray, I guess that youre a retired crusty old fart with nothing better to do than sit around and call people names."

Maria, it does my heart GOOD to see posts like this from you!! I must be hitting close to home so to speak.

The Gnat, @buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Ray,hand over your HTML. It's not a toy.

-- Lisa (grounded@now.forkit), April 09, 1999.

Thanks Kevin for posting that link. In it Ed just says we should wait and see. This is different from what he said in the article. He actually said he didn't believe in TEOTWAWKI. My question: What's the difference between that and a ten year depression?

Maria,

Not having a common definition of TEOTWAWKI is probably why there is so much disagreement on this forum. I think the most common definition of TEOTWAWKI is that the power grid will go down and stay down--either for months or years--and that we will return to an 1890's lifestyle.

Gary North and Infomagic are just about the only people I know that expect this kind of scenario. I'm not expecting that, and I don't believe Ed Yourdon is either.

On the other hand, Maria, if you lose your job next year and it then takes you three years to find another one, I think you'd be tempted to call that The End Of The World As You It.

The speculative bubble nearly burst in the fall of 1998. That could still happen nine months from now. If you add gasoline shortages and supply chain problems to the equation, the results could be severe.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), April 09, 1999.

Ray I never wrote "guess not . Anyway Ray, I guess that youre a retired crusty old fart with nothing better to do than sit around and call people names." Where did you find this? Can you name the thread? Not that I disagree with this quote; I just can't lay claim to it.

Kevin OK, TEOTWAWKI doesn't sound like a ten year depression. How many here, besides Hardliner, believe in TEOTWAWKI?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 09, 1999.

Ray,

I am working the Y2k issue for a major Global Firm. My focus has been the infrastructure (internally and externally). This does not include the IT side (all though I have an IT background). I can not report to you specific details of the firm nor the contacts I have made nor details of inventories, testing, assessment or remediation. Unfortunately there are legal reasons (BTW I wish they did not exist) for this.

-- ???? (????@?.?), April 09, 1999.

--???? stated:

"I am working the Y2k issue for a major Global Firm. My focus has been the infrastructure (internally and externally). This does not include the IT side (all though I have an IT background). I can not report to you specific details of the firm nor the contacts I have made nor details of inventories, testing, assessment or remediation. Unfortunately there are legal reasons (BTW I wish they did not exist) for this."

--????, How about just a mention of the hardware and languages you have worked on. this does not seem to be an issue with the DOOMER GEEKS. They seem to like to talk turkey so to speak.

Maria, no answer yet as to my question if you have ever cut any code.

Also am quite interested in how you spent most of the day on this forum and still hold down a job!! Maybe this IS you job!!

The Gnat, @buggingu

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 09, 1999.

Trolls, Trolls,Trolls and more Trolls Now that the BFI forum goes to hell we get all the Trolls and slime. Puhuhuhu.

-- (have seen@it.all), April 09, 1999.

I demand that you quote me correctly. All of my material is copyrighted but readily available for your use. I would urge all of you to check with me now and then since I DO have the answer to Y2K and all other problems. Omniscience is pretty cool. Moses, Moses come read this. Isnt it hilarious? These people need some guidance.

-- Almighty God (up@heaven.com), April 09, 1999.

OK - you want to know what I expect? Go to Dejanews, do a search on Prophets Challenge Davis, and you will find out.

And I have shared a LOT of dead serious information on this forum, about everything from gardening to food supplies to network technology to coal mining and PLC's and power generation.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 09, 1999.