HOW will China invade the US? : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

I see a number of threads here in which people are sweating over the Chinese invading the United States. One poster even noted ominously that he had seen chinese-speaking people here in AL.

(I must confirm that report; I heard them myself the other night at the Fortune House on Valley Ave. They were running about madly to keep the buffet stuffed with Moo Goo Gai Pan and fried rice.)

We'll ignore the racist comment about the "Jewish-controlled media" remaining mum about this.

What I'd like to know is HOW the Chinese will transport enough soldiers over here to invade the United States.

-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (, May 10, 1999


The chinese will not transport any soldiers to our coveted soil Mr. Poole. Now go back to sleep at dbunky.

-- R. Wright (, May 10, 1999.

SM Troll,

You wouldn't get a joke if it pulled your foreskin away from your eyes.

Try not to get any on you in the swamp. ( why do you 4 guys over there on the debunking forum work yourselves up so much?),, never mind,, I don't want to know.

-- Hawkeye (ct@no.yr), May 10, 1999.

This actually is one of the ways that world warfare may have changed forever. With satellite surveillance, it is impossible for any nation to launch a large armed force against the United States without our immediate knowledge. Assuming China or anyone even had enough ships and planes to transport - what, several million at least - troops to occupy the US, they'd never get here. We'd blow the planes from the sky, the ships from the seas. Some might manage to get through, but certainly never an occupying force. There is no land bridge, but that wouldn't change the facts either.

The only form of surprise attack that remains is nuclear, biological or chemical - not an invasion. Rather, to fatally weaken the societal structure through extensive loss of life - to cripple us from within - "might" (most extreme scenario) render the US incapacitated. They don't want to occupy our land - they want a transfer of wealth, vital resources, economic and military hegemony. Of the above choices, nuclear is the least favored, for the simple reason that radioactivity circles the globe, and renders the defeated country very un-useful... not to mention the wounds of retaliation.

Nope, it seems today's smart money would be on biological and/or chemical weapons. Leaves the infrastructure, no nasty toxic clouds over China, quickly depletes and demoralizes the population if applied widely and simultaneously, collapses the economy - and leaves the US with a moral dilemma in acting defensively: would we be justified in using nuclear weapons as a response to biological/chemical terrorism? That is the risk an aggressor must measure.

For all our guns at home, we won't be seeing any Chinese marching down our streets anytime soon that we can all take a shot at. What home defense do we have against chemical and biological agents that descend on us invisibly, silently, unperceived by satellite technology? That is the real threat, and one nobody has yet figured out how to handle.

-- (itsasmallworld@fter.all), May 10, 1999.

Please don't forget the lessons we learned (if we looked) with NATO:

China, Cuba Sign Financial Aid Agreements BEIJING, May. 05, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) China on Tuesday signed five agreements on financial aid for Cuba, the state-run Xinhua news agency said without specifying the amount. Minister of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation Shi Guangsheng signed the accords with his Cuban counterpart Ricardo Cabriscas Ruiz setting out beneficial loans, interest-free loans and economic aid. "China encourages its qualified companies to invest in Cuba and also welcomes Cuban investments in China," Shi said. ( (c) 1999 Agence France Presse)

-- R. Wright (, May 10, 1999.

Protests Reach Cyberspace

By Stacy Lu --

May 9, 8:30pm PT  Protests over NATO's bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade have spilled into cyberspace.

Enraged hackers apparently attacked the official Web site of the U.S. embassy in China yesterday, took over the Web sites of the Departments of Energy and the Interior today, and established their own online convention center at a site called killusa.

The Department of Interior Web site on Sunday showed pictures of the Chinese journalists killed on Saturday when NATO accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. The Department of Energy site read Protest USAs Nazi action.

It was unclear whether the hacking was done by Chinese or not, though several messages on Chinese Web sites and message boards based in China claimed that it was.

According to news reports from Chinese media, hackers also launched attacks on the official White House site, which reportedly has a automated restoration function set to operate within five seconds of an attack.

The messages they posted on the attacked sites were vitriolic, patriotic and, in some cases, poetic.

One site read Down with the Yanks. The fate of the Chinese people has reached the most critical pointa play upon the words of the Chinese national anthem, reflecting a similar patriotic call after the Japanese invaded China in 1937.

A poem was posted that has appeared before other civilian unrests in China, particulary in 1976 after the death of Premier Zhou Enlai. A rough translation: I grieve while the wolves howl/I cry while the beasts cheer/I shower the martyrs with my tears while unsheathing the sword.

Communist slogans also appeared, a rarity in today's China. One of the hacked sites declared This hill has been taken over by the commies.

Message Boards Overflowing

Bulletin boards based in China were full of messages condemning the U.S. and NATO's mistaken bombing of the Chinese embassy.

You think you have a strong army without human nature and a great number of brazen politicians just like you...pose as the world cop and think the world must run under your rules, your human rights, your democracy," one message read.

The Department of Energy site's home page also had a message that read, We are Chinese hackers that takes no cares about politics, but we can not stand by seeing our Chinese reporters been killed.

The hackers' own site at, a repository of hacking strategies, had nearly 1,000 messages Sunday, either reporting sites being hacked or expressing anti-American sentiments.

Rumors, none apparently based on fact, flew thick and fast, among them that NATO had again bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and that Chinese President Jiang Zemin had said that China must be prepared to go to war. Another stated that the intelligence reports provided to NATO prior to the embassy bombing were supplied by a NATO officer angry with China over its treatment of Tibet.

A contributor to the page also suggests manning a full-scale attack on American Web sites, disseminating computer viruses, and attacking the sites continuously in a method the hackers term machine- gunning. Another suggests targeting financial sites.

Copyright 1999 ABC News Internet Ventures


-- (, May 10, 1999.


Agree with most of what you say,, however,,don't you hate that?

Let's say bio/chem weapons are released on CONUS, and wipeout 10,000,000.

What do you think our reaction would be? Any world State that had a sniff of terrorist activity would be addressed,

I don't understand where all you " Nuke the US " croud come from.

I know Nik,

The USSR has more nukes than we do,,, but we have control and knowlege of where our's are,,, and we maintain our's,,, you can't say that about Russia,,, China has a few and stole some info from us. So what? They still can't deliever them here.


-- CT (ct@no.yr), May 10, 1999.


That seems to be about right. They got short and intermediate range stuff.

China's Satellite Info. Could Threaten U.S., Says Report WASHINGTON, May. 09, 1999 -- (Reuters) China gained technical information from U.S. companies during satellite launches that will improve its missiles and could threaten the United States, a Senate Intelligence Committee report said. The report, released on Thursday, capped a 10-month investigation by the committee into the impact on U.S. national security of advanced satellite technology exports to China. It comes at a time when China's image in the United States has been battered by allegations of espionage and stealing U.S. nuclear weapons secrets. China has denied that charge. On the satellite technology, China obtained information during exchanges and meetings with U.S. engineers that accompanied the satellite launches in China, the report said. The committee concluded technical information transferred during satellite launches enabled China to improve its space launch vehicles and Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. "Because such analyses and methodologies are also applicable to the development of other missile systems, the committee believes that, where practicable, the PRC (China) will use the transferred information to improve its short range ballistic missiles, intermediate range ballistic missiles, and related technology," the report said. "These missiles could threaten U.S. forces stationed in Japan and Korea, as well as allies in the region," it added. Since 1990, the United States has approved 33 satellite launches in China. Former President George Bush, a Republican, authorized 14 of those launches, and President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, authorized 19. Each launch is accompanied by a series of technical meetings between U.S. satellite engineers and the Chinese launch service provider in which detailed information is exchanged. "Such interactions between American and PRC (Chinese) engineers provided the PRC (China) with the opportunity to obtain technology and know-how applicable to both civilian and military space programs," the report said. Investigations into satellite launches that failed provided China with technical information from U.S. firms, it said. The report cited the explosion in 1995 of the rocket attempting to launch the Apstar-2 satellite built by Hughes Electronics Corp. and the rocket launching the Loral Space Communications Ltd. Intelsat 708 satellite veering off course and crashing into a nearby village in 1996. "The decision to launch U.S. commercial satellites on PRC (Chinese) space launch vehicles created a tension between U.S. national security interests and U.S. commercial interests," the report said. The committee said it believed its findings justified a "reappraisal" of the policy allowing the export of U.S. commercial satellites to China for launch and recommended a congressional review of the pros and cons of phasing it out. The 45-page report also looked into China's efforts to influence U.S. policy and said intelligence information showed that China undertook a "covert program" to influence the U.S. political process through donations in the 1996 elections. Chinese officials decided to reassess their relationship with Congress after Taiwanese President Lee Tung-hui was granted a visa to the United States in 1995, the report said. "In response to President Lee's visit, the PRC (China) conceived of a plan to influence the U.S. political process favorably toward that country," the report said. "The plan was an official PRC plan, and funds were made available for its implementation," the report said. The main focus of the plan was Congress, but the committee said it discovered no evidence of an attempt to influence a particular member of Congress. Johnny Chung, a U.S. citizen who has been a key figure in the campaign finance scandal, said he had been given $300,000 in August 1996 by a senior Chinese official to help Clinton's election, the report said. But the FBI can trace only about $20,000 of that amount to the Democratic National Committee through contributions by Chung, the report said. Most of the remaining funds went for his personal use including mortgage payments, the report said.

There is a little more on that. Lot's of unanswered questions though. Biological weapons are very scary. If we protected our research in that area, as well as we protected our nuclear tech., well one could become a doomer very rapidly.

-- R. Wright (, May 10, 1999.

Let's Recap, Shall We? Monday, 10-May-1999 02:32:11 writes:

After a few weeks in Yourdon's Swamp,, and, I want to make sure I've got it all straight.

Y2K is going to kill us all. In spite of the fact that no major failures have happened yet, they're GOING to come, just you wait and see.

Besides, the Chinese and the Russians are going to nuke us before the start of the new year, so we're all going to die anyway.

Bill Klinton is a secret Chinese agent who has helped bring thousands of undercover operatives into this nation. They're working at Chinese laundries and restaurants across the country, just waiting for the Big Signal from the Big Man to start throwing closet nukes around.

Ergo: we're all going to die in several ways.

Have I missed anything?

Stephen M. Poole

-- R. Wright (, May 10, 1999.

Yeah Steve,

You forgot to mention that they'll be economic collapse BEFORE Y2K even gets here. AND you forgot that martial law will be declared BEFORE Y2K even gets here.

That should make everybody paranoid...

Jolly may - or may NOT - have tongue in cheek!

-- Jollyprez (, May 10, 1999.

Poole - yeah, as usual you've got it all back-asswards, there is no hope for you.

Jollyprez - it's gonna happen.

-- Andy (, May 10, 1999.

Well for goshsakes, folkses -- will ya quit playing with these trolls? Lookee what Poop's friend Cow-Patty had to say: 26284220&P=No&TL=926284220

Debunking Y2k webboard

The funniest conspiracy I have seen yet, Sunday, 09-May-1999 17:10:20 writes:

And to think we are the ones that don't "Get it" This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen.

Could China be taking over the US? Secret training in Idaho? People speaking Chinese in Alabama?

Reminds of me of a classroom of elementary school children on the first day of school, passing around the awful information that they heard about the teacher from older brothers and sisters.


-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 10, 1999.

OK Outings, you want to play? Here ya go - one for Milne.

Now just scroll down to the bottom of that and read the Reply TO email address.

You guys want to start this crap - I will tell you right now that I know the skeletons in the Internet closets of most of the big noises in Y2K. I don't post this kind of shit normally BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT. But if I and others are going to be stalked around the Internet, I think we have the right to strike back.

-- Paul Davis (, May 10, 1999.

Now this is absurdity raised to previously unknown heights. Starting out with a patently synthethic trollish post replete with obviously humorous spelling errors and pie-in-your-face antiquated cliches (A-bomb?!), followed up by similar but more subtle leg-pulling which are completely and utterly missed by Y2K Pro here at , then Pat at Y2K Debunking and now Poole reiterating the whole mess again with a new thread for some reason.

Good heavens, the fact that some people can't regonize parody (thanks Flint, it's not satire, that is WAY too subtle) raises the phrase DGI to a new level!


-- Ken Seger (, May 10, 1999.

Outings, I liked your analogy about the first day of school. Years ago an elderly neighbor told my mother that government people were coming around to check out old people, to see how many were a useless drain on the government. She implied the worst "useless drains" would mysteriously disappear. Actually they were checking to see if old people's houses had enough insulation. My mother's didn't and insulation was blown in keeping her toasty for the rest of her "useless" days. This does not mean I think our government is only interested in being a benevolent protector. Actually I think they are motivated mainly by self-interest.

Paul I went to the website you put up, and read all about income tax being collected illegally. I read the email, but I really didn't get the point. (duh?) What am I missing. I do wish the mass of taxpayers would get their shorts in as big a twist over taxes, a "clear and present danger," as they do over Clinton's sex life, conpiracies of various shades, and what they perceive as covert attacks on "we the people."

-- gilda (, May 10, 1999.

Look at a thread from March concerning the Panama Canal. China has been funding and influencing elections in Panama. We hand over the control of the Panama Canal Jan 1, 2000 and we have already begun moving out (military bases). zC

You neglecting something - James Carville has already been helping Chinese-funded politicians to compaign in the recent Panamanian elections. This will help consolidate their (the Red Chinese) influence over bases and port facilities already established in "commercial zones" at both ends of the canal.

Can you say "extortion"?

-- Robert A. Cook, P.E. (Kennesaw, GA) (, March 15, 1999.

Mr. K
***seeing China moving WELL before this embassy thing***

-- Mr. Kennedy (, May 10, 1999.

Paul -- What do you mean, stalked? Public postings on public forums are public, no? I very much appreciate Outing's efforts, since it illustrates the connection between the mockery and intentions of some posters on Biffy et al and their (obviously) similar but generally cleverer and somewhat cloaked intentions here. Since our taxation system, as instituted and, worse, enforced, is one of the few unassailable disgraces against our Constitution, I appreciated your URL above. Thanks!

Otherwise, I agree with Ken Seger above. And why did Poole post this except to provoke flaming and ridicule? Answer: that is why he posted it. He did not have one serious bone in his body in proposing this idiotic question:

"What I'd like to know is HOW the Chinese will transport enough soldiers over here to invade the United States."

Gee, Greyhouse busses, Poole?

-- BigDog (, May 10, 1999.

As I have been very busy lately, I have not had the inclination to visit the China Daily News which was referenced in the previous above post. Just to check up on their daily news of the current events, I went to the site

Much to my unexpected surprise, it is now a web hosting site. They have either voluntarily or forcefully changed their website from posting China Newspaper articles to the web hosting facility. Verrrry interesting.....

Mr. K

-- Mr. Kennedy (, May 10, 1999.

Where is this "land of unwalled villages..." Where are these very wealthy people, living at peace and safe from all harm? Whoever they are, when the smoke clears they come out victorious.

-- Mark Hillyard (, May 10, 1999.

BigDog, gilda - I find Outings to be rather annoying. I don't hide my opinions from anyone, or post differently anywhere else than I do here. And everyone here knows the URL's for BFI and Debunkers. So his 'newsflashes' are not only annoying, they are unnecessary. Stalking is probably too strong a word - but I can't think of a word that means "pestiferous mosquito buzzing in my ear". Which is about how I feel about it.

What you don't seem to get about that URL is that Milne is selling info purporting to tell you how to avoid paying Social Security taxes. Ask any tax lawyer - that is totally bogus.

Since several militia groups are pushing this sort of thing - one must wonder what company Milne has been keeping. And his name is not on there - just his famous FEDINFO at halifax email address.

Now there is a lot of this stuff going around amongst the various Y2K is the end leaders - and I have a lot of it. As I said above, I don't consider it germane to Y2K to publish the stuff - but it certainly is out there. But how germane to Y2K is it for Outings to publish a list of who posted on another board. I could stand it if he provided a link for heavens sake - but he is trying to just confuse the issue by giving names and subjects without any other data.

-- Paul Davis (, May 10, 1999.

Mr. Wright,

You left out what I thought was the funniest part: the follow up that asked, "What about sunspots?"

-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (, May 10, 1999.

Paul --- Didn't catch the Social Security stuff (thanks), but I stand by my other statements.

Poole --- confirming my post above by this one.

It's scarcely news that ANY forum has lots of idiots, not to mention TROLLS who post solely for destructive purposes. When people (Poole) give emphasis to the trolls as though this were part of the discussions, it only serves to further destroy the purpose of the forum.

It is self-evident that the growing morass overseas will have a major late 1999 and 2000 impact. Some may be directly Y2K-related, some not, but all of it is of legitimate interest to those of us who are preparing NOT ONLY FOR Y2K disruptions but others. And, I'll repeat, our OWN GOVERNMENT has warned that devastating attacks on our infrastructure (including the grid) are a present as well as future danger. When will you reflect this information on your Web site, Mr. Poole? I certainly want my Christian brothers and sisters to be warned: will you help do that?

-- BigDog (, May 10, 1999.


I don't care if Outings wants to cross post what I've written over at Debunker's or Biffy. He obviously doesn't realize that he's giving those boards free publicity.

(Heh. That's why I encouraged him to provide the links, too.)

To the rest of you:

This post was generated tongue in cheek, too. I saw the humor in the original and decided to respond. I'm beginning to wonder if some of you even possess a sense of 'yumor.

The last question was serious, and was meant to calm a few nerves among those who might have taken it seriously. You're absolutely right; China CAN'T invade the United States. She doesn't have the transport capacity. Neither does the Soviet Union.

Germany had the most powerful ground force in existence in 1940. But Admiral Raeder knew, from day one, that Sea Lion (the proposed invasion of England) would never happen, because his navy didn't have the capacity to transport (and protect, while in transport) the soldiers. The British Navy would have chewed 'em to pieces before they ever reached land, and the few that made it would have been given a too-warm reception by the British Army.

The same would happen if China or Russia tried to invade us.

-- Stephen M. Poole (, May 10, 1999.

Poole --- Nice, clever "recovery" there! You haven't answered my question above. Will you be alerting our Christian brothers and sisters to their reasonable need to prepare for attacks at some point in the future on American infrastructure? Both Senator Bennett and other sources have described this threat quite well.

-- BigDog (, May 10, 1999.

Mr. Kennedy, have had no trouble with China Daily site. Here are summaries for their Bombed Embassy news items today. ( and you have to register.)

Updated at: 05/10/99 - 9:00 AM, GMT +8:00

People agonized by criminal act, VICE-PRESIDENT Hu Jintao made a televised speech on China Central Television (CCTV) yesterday condemning the US-led Nato attack on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

Students continue protesting, TENS of thousands of furious students and local residents, angry over Nato's bombing of China's Embassy in Yugoslavia, continued their anti-US, anti-Nato demonstrations for the second day.

Nations condemn bombing of embassy, MOSCOW _ Nato is challenging and provoking the United Nations, international law and the international community, suggests Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov.

-- ChinaWatcher (, May 10, 1999.

Sayn't Paul accuses OutingsR of stalking??? Just because OutingsR goes to Der Boonkah and reads on that PUBLIC FORUM all those mean and spiteful things they say about us and then lets the good Yourdon people know? Like the following from Sayn't, in reference to Yourdung and his Turds: 24520321&P=Yes&TL=924393090

Re: .....LOVE IT. ONE OF THE TURDS SAID........ Monday, 19-Apr-1999 07:12:01 writes:

CPR, I think they are all being used to gather data for the psychology dept. without knowing it. The Internet related psych papers coming out of MIT over the next couple years should be 'interesting' don't you think?

Paul Davis

Sayn't Paul -- if you can't take it, DON'T DISH IT OUT. If you and your cronies quit reposting Yourdon posts on Der Boonkah and being spiteful and vindictive about Yourdonites, then OutingsR won't have anything to post, will he? After all, Der Boonkah is where OutingsR found his tactics.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 10, 1999.

My mom told me when I was a young kid that I should never feed the strays that came around unless I wanted them to keep coming around. Those strays had a nasty way of keeping me from getting my work done, using up my limited resources and using up my valuable time. Plus, they carry diseases. **********stop feeding the trolls******************************

-- notplaying (, May 10, 1999.


Both Big Dog and I have repeatedly asked you to, if you are at all sincere about helping folks, put some sort of balance on your web site. All to no avail. You are just ducking the issue and wriggling like a worm. Be a man once in your sorry life and do the right thing will ya???

To other things.

We can all see through your juvenile games - how old exactly are you? - you are a piece of work, incredible. Again, you are scoring very heavy negative marks in the karma stakes here poole - your distracting influence on this forum is truly shameful.

As for your puerile analysis of China invading the USA, comparing this prospect to 1940's England, I am truly overawed at your ignorance in these matters...

"The Russians and the Chinese both have plans drawn up to nuke/gas the USA and invade afterward. We have similar plans for them. They involve killing everyone with gas and bioweapons after the hardened targets are destroyed with nukes, then mopping up any incidental survivors with troops trained for that purpose. They have theirs and we have ours. We know more about Russian plans for this than the Chinese; the Russians know it's workable. The Chinese have a lot more troops, so it's even more workable for them. This WILL happen if these three superpowers go to full-on war against one another. We're not going to wait for them to do it first, and they aren't going to wait for us. It's not ideal, but as the nukes get "cleaner" and the bioweapon kill rate climbs into the 90th percentile, it becomes easier to contemplate. Personally, I think we have more than one wild card up our sleeve, and will "win" in this situation. Which is why we are so arrogant (willing to slap an embassy as -obvious- payback for nuclear espionage, for example)."

THINK MAN!!!!!!!

You are a complete and unabashed maroon.

-- Andy (, May 10, 1999.

Outings, are you an old-timer here? would I know you? Can we meet somewhere (digitally, of course) and compare notes?

-- outings? (troll@hobby.too?), May 10, 1999.

The level of idiocy here demonstrated by the pollytrolls astounds me. Let me see if I get this right:

Y2K....No big problem.

Chineese Espionage....No big problem.

Bio/Chem weapons threats....No big problem.

Geopolitical instability....No big problem.

Hostile intent towards the U.S. ...No big problem.

People smoking cigarrettes...Big, big problem.

People owning guns....Big, big problem.

Right Wing Christians...Big, big problem.

We're in Big, big trouble if you ask me.

-- INVAR (, May 10, 1999.

Yep, INVAR....big big troule. That's why we have a big, big garden, big, big dog, and and big, big gun. Might even get one of David Byrns' big, big suits to wear around the yard. (I particularly like Mr.s K's big, big pressure canner - lots of good eats to come from garden harvests!)

Thanks China Watcher for the China Daily updated URL. As I mentioned, I had not visited the site since they have obviously done some rearranging. It'll be a regular stop for me over the China situation now. China Daily

Hmmmm, breaktime.....time for a big, big cup-o-java before going out to the garden.

Mr. K

-- Mr. Kennedy (Mr.K@home.tonight), May 10, 1999.

What I'd like to know is HOW the Chinese will transport enough soldiers over here to invade the United States.

-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (

I have it on good authority from a member of the RRCA (Reliable Red Comrades of America) that they're going to invite all the Polly's to dinner on Commadore Island, let the hot air out of them, throw 'em in the drink and WALK across. 100 abreast till we run outta bullets.

-- spun@lright (, May 10, 1999.

Protests reach cyberspace

-- (, May 10, 1999.

"Outings, are you an old-timer here? would I know you? Can we meet somewhere (digitally, of course) and compare notes?"

Hah! Feelthy pig-dog -- you theenk I fall for this very silliness? I break wind in your general direction (digitally, of course).

-- OutingsR (Us@here.yar), May 10, 1999.

Ah, I see now...... Outings mother was a hampster and his father smelled of elderberries.....karen

-- karen (karen@karen.karen), May 10, 1999.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Outing trolls is thirsty work, eh?

-- Lisa (, May 11, 1999.

Karen! You took Fr. Ins. 101 too! You are definitely NOT another empty-headed animal food-trough wiper.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 11, 1999.

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