cpr, who is a very frequent poster on the Debunking Y2K board, today posted a very scary piece of information. In his answer to someone from the Timebomb 2000 board questioning his views, he wrote:

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=926948135&P=Yes&TL=926862480

. . . Go find out who I am before you run your mouth trying to be buddies with the field hands in the Swamp Pit [Debunking name for Yourdon forum]. Go find my credentials before you make a complete fool of yourself. Just to keep up I'm completing the MCSE/IP and MCDBA. The latter is easy because I'm a DB type anyway (which nicely explains why my files have such nice complete backgounds on your new friends).

And these people wonder why Yourdon forumites don't post over there! And wonder why there is some resistance to their views on this forum! Is it possible for background files to be compiled as he says? If so, why is this person compiling "nice complete background" files on us "field hands in the Swamp Pit"? Can anything be done about it? It sounds very threatening to me--makes me VERY uncomfortable.

-- Worried (scared@this.inf), May 17, 1999

Answers

It is silly, don't worry. We are simply a bunch of intelligent, reflective, prudent, common-sense buddies from around the globe who feel, given the evidence, that Y2K may present inconveniences, problems, and dangers to our living continuation. Therefore, we get together to examine news, thoughts, reports, and tips about life pre-post-sans computers.

Even if somebody were to waste considerable time preparing background files, that info would be too boring for anybody to read. W'all present zero danger and are the bedrock salt of the earth.

Come any type of disaster, our mental & physical prep will be life-saving to our neighborhoods and we will be much appreciated. The .gov .mil is quietly thrilled there are calm, thoughtful, sensible ppl amongst the crowds to hold and maintain a rational center, even if just squirreled away in each little abode. One less casualty, one less worry.

Be proud of your foresight and conquer worry and inertia! Preps dissolve worry, melt away fear, strengthen logical resolve, help the economy. Cheer up and gather more clean water containers!

xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), May 17, 1999.

CPR's a moron. So what if he gets the octet of my ISP? Gee, that narrows it down to about 100,000 people. Just because he wants to be Microsnot certified, he tosses around a few terms to mislead people who don't know any better. There is no law against free speech. Go ahead, CPR, find me. Then take your best shot.

-- ariZONEa (back@work.com), May 17, 1999.

Leska -- You're right, but I'd like to hear Decker, Poole and Davis formally disassociate themselves from this post. Otherwise, their silence can well be taken as assent.

Also, I hope "Worried" contacts the service provider for that forum: this is effectively a threat to use information against people to their harm and is prima facie legal grounds for investigating "CPR".

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), May 17, 1999.

Isn't it all on database anyway?

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), May 17, 1999.

I bet the CIA & FBI's database, et. al., could run circles around his wimpy one.

So what?

If we post publicly, it means ... we are "public" with our views and statements.

Again ... so what?

Take a CPR class instead of worrying about some FUD-e-dudy (Fear, uncertainty and doubt) troll meme.

Or, write a book.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 17, 1999.

Private citizens should be able to express themselves without the spectre of "monitoring" by public OR private entities. I find the suggestion of collecting "background" information on private citizens (including posters on this forum) abhorrent.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), May 17, 1999.

Just another point to reenforce my belief that CPR's crusade has nothing to do with Y2K and everything to do with his worship of The System. To question the integrity of The System is blasphemy. Blasphemers must be suppressed and punished for their audacity to question The System.

And this is the guy who posts on an anti-Gary North site. Sheesh and double sheesh!

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), May 17, 1999.

As has been amply displayed, our "stuff" is available. I knewe that before i saw mine on the forum, and understood I might have helped by giving my ham calsign, but still, I'm not sure I care. Some one comes for me or Mrs. Driver, they will be the surprised ones.

After we offer them tea, maybe they would like to see the collection of old lace?

LOL

Chuck

-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 17, 1999.

Hmmmmn... What kind of lace? Need info on colors, styles, optional accessories, other gadgets and paraphenalia (-1 sp) available too? Bluejeans or kakii? (And please, I need to check this for accuracy = I want to be absolutely sure this database gets my trouser size right.)

Crumpet's anyone?

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), May 17, 1999.

My main advice about cpr is not to send him email. He will pass your message along to the authorities if it can be taken as a threat. Other than that just use your right to free speech responsibly. I do avoid talking about my family members and preparation plans when I post here. Anyone could be reading this message forum.

This cpr claims to have files on over a hundred Y2k 'extremists.' I think he wants to document how we caused panic and somehow make us responsible. He's also quite conservative in his politcal thinking.

-- private (nope@sorry.charlie), May 17, 1999.

I wonder how big a file that wacko cpr is keeping on me. I read from the debunker site that he was looking for me and trying to figure out who I am. Can you say extremist wacko and cpr in the same breath? I see you cpr.

-- y2kdave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), May 17, 1999.

There's been some type of reaction over there:

X-URL: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb237006

FBI monitoring Y2k EXTREMISTS and LISTS (cpr) (17-May-1999 12:41:43)

NOTE TO "CT",outingsR and all. I **WOULD*** REPORT ANY THREATS TO THE AUTHORITIESq (cpr) (17-May-1999 12:46:55)

FBI,Defense, Energy, FEMA, EPA, and the Public Health Service. (cpr) (17-May-1999 12:50:05)

Re: FBI: DON'T FORGET: SUPPORT YOUR ***LOCAL POLICE **** (cpr) (17-May-1999 12:54:25)

Weird!

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 17, 1999.

Don't worry about cpr. He doesn't care about you unless you're Gary North or some other similar nutcase trying to sell something.

-- observer (@@@.@), May 17, 1999.

actually it's kinda funny - his data base is way w-a-y out of date and badly managed. Remember 4 or 5 weeks ago when I was getting on y2k kid's case and he suddenly popped up with outdated info about where I used to live? That's gotta be it. Interesting that cpr considers himself a professional when he can't even manage a simple database that only contains 100 or so records. pathetic, really.

Arlin Adams

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), May 17, 1999.

This guy is a crank. Cops really love having to deal with volunteer jr. detectives like him. Not!

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 17, 1999.

Motherf*#%,

Actually, your reference to human beings as "memes" is incorrect. If you were to subscribe to this so-called theory, you would properly refer to your political enemies as the "host" of an infectious "meme." The "meme" itself is what some of us still refer to, albeit unfashionably, as the "idea" or "worldview." Of course we all know that you pollys are blissfully "uninfected" with ideas...

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 17, 1999.

Strange stuff....

-- what (happened@here.huh), May 17, 1999.

hmm?

-- got it (oh@yeah.see), May 17, 1999.

Lessee now, computer problems are not going to occur; and if they do occur next year, will not cause problems; anf they do occur and do cause problems they won' be significant problems.....

.... but he can't even close his own colorful attributes. Good illustration of just how subtle a simple problem can be, and how frustrating a simple problem can be to fix, and re-fix, and re-fix...

Giggle, giggle, grin, grin.....

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), May 17, 1999.

My dear YourMutha ....

NO! No! puhleeeeze. I am really intelligent, even kind of smart. No, don't hurt my feelings like that!

(But you're still welcome at my New Year's Eve Y2K party as long as you don't dress up as MY Mutha).

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), May 17, 1999.

I'm gonna dress as an auctioneer for New Year's. Gotta get the trademark voice down.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 17, 1999.

Save the work, use the links AND "OUT THEM" ALL as BS ARTISTS Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum Re: New and (Hopefully) Improved (Stephen M. Poole, CET) Re: To Stephen and Dan: Great Work! Would you collaborate? (Robin Messing) Re: Actually ... (Stephen M. Poole, CET) Date: Mar 21, 18:25 From: CPR

I have concluded that some of the Y2k "alarmists" even in the Professional circles do not want to (or can't) face the reality of the rate of remediation. IT IS TIME TO "OUT THEM" ALL.

Use this joint as a library and just link in as "footnotes" where needed to back up what you are saying.

You are welcome to anything that I have posted where marked as either opinion or the facts. There is proably the most complete set of ANTI- Y2k Extremist Documents here than any place else on the WWW and shortly there will be a ton more as I do to some of the other memes what Lord Jim just earned.

I have concluded that the time to 'pussy foot' or ignore the following IDIOTs is long over:

Previews:

Roleigh Gump "Whoops,I made a booboo again" Martin

Craig "Churches.net" Goldilockes

Dr. DooDoo

Dr. Markie

Paula Well Dressed Bag Lady

Little Ricky

And ...just maybe....one Professor of MIS who seems to think he can use his Y2k efforts in a Professional organization to promote himself and his personal vendettas at will on every list serve in the world. Link : http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn/991/1/1/1.html

-- more (outings@b.us), May 17, 1999.

To the smallest Mutha we know -- you said to cpr on Der Boonkah just now --

You sure got the dungbeetles in an uproar with that bit...

Monday, 17-May-1999 14:00:19, 207.227.230.17 writes:

What a crack up! 1/2 of them have NO IDEA who you are... but, hey.... they are the "1,000+ hr" internet point-n-click research crowd....

Mutha Nachu

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26964019&P=Yes&TL=926959303

Why would we have any idea who Charles P. [insert name of famous sandwich here] is? (And it ain't "hero.")

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 17, 1999.

Don't post on their board.

-- they_ (they_@re.scum), May 17, 1999.

the temptation got to me. Had to do it man. Had to post to the debunker site as I have not had any fun with cpr lately.

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), May 17, 1999.

Dave, glad you did. Thought that cpr and the rest are enraged because some people derive income from potential Y2K problems; this is somehow immoral. But in his reply to you, cpr said:

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26988994&P=Yes&TL=926982817

How about a little Y2k RIP OFF thanks to the Fear Pushers??, Monday, 17-May-1999 20:56:34

151.164.58.34 writes:

...I can unequivocally say that Y2K "remediation" is the easiest money I have ever made.

Because of guys like Gary I have been able to increase my margins dramatically. Executives are so nervous of this millennial stuff they are practically peeing their pants and they will sign almost anything.

I'm just finishing the testing on a legacy accounts receivable package for a group of hospitals. Tedious work, but I still find it amusing to look down at the date and see April 4, 2000. I'm just preparing my bill for the agreed upon fee of $15,000. The entire project required a total of 27 lines of code to be changed - works out to $556 bucks a line. I'm convinced I could have charged two or three times as much, but I'm an opportunist, not a bandit.

Idiots like Gary are a dime a dozen, just look at all the email chain letters and urban legends that arrive in your mailbox everyday. A few years ago I spent some time in technical support, where I learned the cardinal rule to never, ever, underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of users. 99.9% of what you read in the press about Y2K is the intellectual equivalent of "Where's the ANY key?"

cpr

(End of quote)

And THIS joker thinks Ed Yourdon is immoral?????? Hell, Gary North looks like Mother Teresa next to this guy!!!

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 17, 1999.

OutingsR:

A few questions are in order here:

1) How many lines did he need to examine to find those 27 that needed to be changed? Is it worth anything to have them examined, even if no problems were found? Would it be better if the correct lines had never been examined?

2) If a fee is agreed upon based on the estimated size of the task, should the fee be negotiated downward if the task proves smaller? I can guarantee it'd be hard to negotiate it upward should the opposite prove true.

3) Do you feel better knowing this system has been fixed? If there are systems out there so nearly bug-free to begin with, isn't this good news?

I used to contract AC repair for a living. I'd look at the symptoms and give an estimate. Sometimes it turned out to be trivial, and I got paid a few hundred dollars for 10 minutes work. Other times I took a big bath. Sometimes you just don't know what you'll find until you dig in.

No, I don't think CPR can extrapolate from this single experience, nor could YOU extrapolate from a single brutal job experience.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 17, 1999.

Flint, swap the rose lenses for clear ones and read cpr's post again. The point is he REVELS in ripping off his client. Rip off is HIS term, not mine.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 17, 1999.

15,000 dollars, okay not bad if it allows them to process 150,000.00 next year - per month. Maybe it is 1,500,000.00 per day - as at a large hospital. Not bad, if his fixes work.

Now, what will happen if he didn't test properly. Whose liable for the 15,000.00 fee - and damages from it failing to operate as promised.

If they need more than 48 hours of diesel fuel.. What if they have no phones internally to the hospital - the IRS lost their PBX system after one set-ahead test. What if.....

Never argue with the expert - if you've hired the expert because of his experience and knowledge. Also, as an expert, cover your butt and retest your work, or stand by for your reward from the lawyers.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), May 17, 1999.

In defense of CPR: I remember that post on the 27 lines of code. It was posted by somebody else. Outings is a fraud and a trickster.

-- BigBadTrolls (bfi@bfi.bfi), May 18, 1999.

The post was signed "cpr." It was followed by six more cpr postings on that thread. Were they all fakes? As often as cpr checks that board, he must have seen them. If he didn't refute any of them, then they all must be genuine.

No defense of the files he's collecting, the original subject of this thread?

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 18, 1999.

Outings, you are a silly person. You've cut and pasted CPR's post from the Debunking board, without bothering to include the URL cold link to message #81 on Biffy..... the original message was written by a poster who signed "more doom, more dough", whoever he/she was. And obviously, also neglected to click through on the hot link so helpfully provided by Mutha. You really *are* a devious little shit. "outings" my ass.

-- BigBadTrolls (bfi@bfi.bfi), May 18, 1999.

Boy, you guys really ARE like missionaries on acid! That post appeared on Der Boonkah. It was followed by other posts from cpr, none of them challenging its contents. We're supposed to search the world-wide web for identical posts signed by others??? Who's being silly? If it ain't cpr, why didn't he challenge it? We know he spends the whole day (and night) over there. If you can't see the logic behind this, then there's no hope for ya. Maybe you've been infected by a meme??? Eaten up your brain, has it?

On to important topics -- about those files cpr is collecting on folks. Got an explanation for that???

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 18, 1999.

Hee Hee. OutingsR squirming here?

No need to search the web. The link to the original was right there, just conveniently *missed* by you.

-- Out_yerself (Out_yerself@swamp.com), May 18, 1999.

Here's the whole post Outings, which you cut in the middle:

----

http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn/81.html

I have been a software designer and consultant for about 20 years and I can unequivocally say that Y2K "remediation" is the easiest money I have ever made.

Because of guys like Gary I have been able to increase my margins dramatically. Executives are so nervous of this millennial stuff they are practically peeing their pants and they will sign almost anything.

I'm just finishing the testing on a legacy accounts receivable package for a group of hospitals. Tedious work, but I still find it amusing to look down at the date and see April 4, 2000. I'm just preparing my bill for the agreed upon fee of $15,000. The entire project required a total of 27 lines of code to be changed - works out to $556 bucks a line. I'm convinced I could have charged two or three times as much, but I'm an opportunist, not a bandit.

Idiots like Gary are a dime a dozen, just look at all the email chain letters and urban legends that arrive in your mailbox everyday. A few years ago I spent some time in technical support, where I learned the cardinal rule to never, ever, underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of users. 99.9% of what you read in the press about Y2K is the intellectual equivalent of "Where's the ANY key?"

-- out yourself (.@...), May 18, 1999.

Humm.

Stirring up the troll stew here, I see.

May still need pinch of salt ... or a touch of parsley granish?

Wouldn't let those folks within ten yards of a "sick" computer myself. Whatever it is they "have" might be catching.

Ka ... choo! ??? Not.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 18, 1999.

Same to you QUEEN Diane~~

"My vote for the Y2K shift is -- create a 5, or better, a centerpoint-- no matter how bad the illusion looks. Afterwards, for those still left, change the way we live and work, create community and global consciousness, honor others, walk softly on mother earth, live in peace and cherish love. For those departing during Y2K, plan to enjoy the adventures awaiting, beyond the other side. Diane -- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 13, 1998."

Yeah, you wouldn't want to "catch"a thing like COMMON SENSE would you?

-- (get@life.willya?), May 18, 1999.

(get@life.willya?) at www.nointelligentlife.com,

Yep. Still stand by those words.

Better than catching cold with what you've got ... "senselessness" coupled with a closed heart.

(Also, glad you're NOT living in my neighborhood, too).

Diane, with a wink ;-D and a polite curtsey, on to other Y2K topics ... it's an adventure 2

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 18, 1999.

Have fun dancing in your dew-drop circles by moonlight with pixies and fairie dust

(A.K.A. angeldust)

how do you KNOW I don't live in your neighborhood?

;)

-- (get@life.willya?), May 18, 1999.

Get a life: begone.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 18, 1999.

Diane,

*sigh*

*heavy sigh*

*heavier sigh*

Research-girl, you have honed the practice of ingratiating oneself with the group to a keen art. As for outhouse, what can we say? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (Interesting that Fling fell for it, probably he was too lazy to click through to the post, but then again he don't like cpr much, doo hee?) Lisa my girl: begone indeed. Have we forgotten how cpr came to your defense on DBy2k?

-- BigBadTrolls (bfi@bfi.bfi), May 18, 1999.

Is this cpr the same bundle of paranoia who got into a head-banging contest with another poster on c.s.y2k a year or 18 months ago and actually called in the RCMP because, as it turned out, both of them lived in Canada (B.C. comes to mind), where freedom of speech rules differ somewhat dramatically from ours in the U.S.? Whatever, after reading some of his posts on Der Bonker, cpr sounds like the polly- version of Milne. Does anyone know if he and Milne have ever crossed swords? Got a URL? I'd pay to see that one.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), May 18, 1999.

Cash, cpr lives in texas. He and Milne seem to be on the opposite ends of the y2k spectrum, and to give cpr credit, he vigorously defended Milne and his right to post his opinions. Check it out, it's on the Biffy forum (the *butthead* threads). Don't rely on Outhouse to give the straight scoop though, he's just another slimy little hypocrite.

-- BigBadTrolls (bfi@bfi.bfi), May 18, 1999.

Would you people listen to yourselves? I think you're internalizing the "troll" epithet. You really do sound like Tolkien "orc" dialog.

Take a breath and get some perspective.

Got Socialization?

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 18, 1999.

I hardly need you to tell me about code.

Sunday, 11-Apr-1999 22:56:27

151.164.37.139 writes:

DON"T EVER "LECTURE" ME FLINT.

DON"T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. I take no money and do no business in Y2k. It cost me about $200,000 for the last 2 years in lost income to do what I do: EXPOSE EXTREMISTS USING Y2k FEAR. For over a year I warned de Jager and others what North and Yourdon were up to. Now you had best believe many more know I was right. Gary does what he does for his "Church State" and EY does it for the "money". Now, there is enough data to suggest that he is also a believer in a "disaster theory" predicting his "ten year depression".

I VIEW THE Y2k EXTREMISTS AS : EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO AMERICA. They would have you believe there "could be rioting" when the "welfare checks don't come". WRONG. But they continue to sow the seeds of "FUD" because FEAR MOTIVATES SALES.

Its not going to happen but the "fear" of it is making people do things that are irrational. I lay the blame for that on the FEAR MAKERS. Join them or stay here. It doesn't much matter. I will keep doing what I do.

They will not get away with creating an "artificial crisis" as long as I can breathe.

PERIOD. I do this 18/7 and I HATE ALL EXTREMISTS expecially from the LEFT. MORE THAN THAT:

I HATE THE PHONY ONES WHO PEDDLE SOMETHING AND AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IS ONE ED YOUR-TOASTED with his MLM SCHEME AND HIS BS Explanations, his "Deja Vu" and now comes his WAFFLING FOR THE I.T. Professionals as shown by the posting of his CUTTER notes. HE IS CUTTER THEY'RE HIS COPYRIGHTS.

HOW COME Mr. Professional did not address the issues his CUTTER LETTER raised??

He cut and pasted 2 Editions of his COMIC BOOK together and has aided and abetted some of the worst slimeballs in "survivalism" and worse.

We all know about the Y2k code problems. Don't fudge on the ARTIFICIAL CREATION OF FEAR. The need for that is GONE. Dead. OVER. The code will be fixed by PROFESSIONALS and BUSINESS and the AMERICAN PUBLIC won't even know.

The "game of fear" and "questioning" is OVER. ITS tired and stale and boring. We all seen it over and over.

GO READ THE 1,100 posts on BFI and LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE : "Year 2000 MEME PROBLEM".

Then you won't dare LECTURE ME OR EVEN TRY TO.

GET OFF THE FENCE. NOW FLINT. OR GO BACK TO EY's MEMES.

"There is now "try". There is only DO". YOU KNOW ITS BULL s--- and we know it is so what is your problem.

Are you going to recite the idiot "sysman's" pitch "the problem is 1/1/2000 code??".

WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS. MOST OF US ARE CONVINCED ENOUGH WILL BE FIXED THAT MAJOR PROBLEMS CAN BE AVOIDED. THE TIME FOR "FEAR" AND "AWARENESS" ENDED : Summer of 1998. NINE MONTHS AGO.

ITS OVER: DEAL WITH THAT. I know all about the bad code and the defective software. I'm the one who ID a code error in Visual J++ tutorial shipped with Ver. 1.0. I got involved in Y2k because of the X-Base Problem.

It is up to your social friends on EY's forum to get with the program and realize that code has been defective daily since Mr. Boole or Mr. Babbage were around.

We live with it and fix what has to be fixed. The Y2k cult memes are EXACTLY THAT: A CULT.

REPEAT: THEY ARE A CULT. Go and tell them that. THEY FUNCTION ON "BELIEF". They assemble "facts" like a Lawyer from TV. They discuss "evidence". Does the code of zeros and ones know about "evidence"??

When presented with statements about Y2k compliance from corporations or ones claiming they are 90% or 95% ready or "ready by May 1 or July 1" they scream "SEE.......they're lying, covering up".

WHY??

Because such statements are "challenges" to their "BELIEFS". They 'rejoice in testimony' from the failures but now that even those are few and far between it is sad in the Church of Y2k Cult Meme.

THE PROBLEM IS NO LONGER: "THE CODE". IT WAS WHEN Y2K WAS A BUSINESS/COMPUTER PROBLEM. NORTH/YOURTOASTED AND HYATT AND THE REST....CHANGED THOSE RULES.

So your statement that its just the "code" is WRONG. When upscale Yuppies pass out flyers "Prepare for Y2k" at the DC Metro we have moved out of the area of a Computer/business Problem into religion of cultism and "politics" of "belief".

Its the code?? IS THE CODE GOING TO TAKE ITS MONEY OUT OF THE BANK BECAUSE THEY HAVE READ ONE BOOK BY YOURDON OR HYATT OR READ NORTH'S WEB SITE??

PEOPLE COULD AND THAT......IS A Y2K PROBLEM. THAT WAS NORTH'S AIM ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE IT IN WRITING FROM DE JAGER'S LIST 2.5 YEARS AGO. AND NORTH "BEGAT" YOUR-TOAST AND HYATT AND A HOST OF "ALSO RANS" INCLUDING THE LAUGHABLE "LORD JIM".

Then from that core came the rest of the herd of MAGGOTS from under some rotten wood pile with every sort of EXTREMIST VIEW one can find: Carmichael's idiot "musings" about the Y2k compliancy of his wife's hair dryer or Frautschi's defective warnings about all those billions and billions of "chips" (which H. Smith had to explain to him were "embedded systems" not "chips") or the Anti-Nuke leaches revived again with dire warnings about 3 Mile I.

And the idiot Survivalist "Bomb Shelter" BEACH with his new "nomenclature" about "secondary clocks" which I trust he will someday let the ITAA know about so they can create some standard reference for his discovery.

Not any more: WRONG. de Jager and I are correct. The "fear pushers" are the biggest problem left in Y2k now. The CODE will be mostly remediated to the point we will "survive" and get through it. I don't give a damn about what one single one of the shills on E. Toast's or Sissy2k post. I have been at this for over 3 years and know how much work has been done.

In short: I DON"T BELIEVE ANYMORE. It would take a MAJOR DISASTER or a MAJOR CORPORATION announcing it would fail before I would even be concerned anymore.

de Jager and I and Simpson and the rest are correct. "THE BACK OF Y2K HAS BEEN BROKEN".

THIS ISSUE WAS OVER..........GOT IT....OVER IN SUMMER OF 1998. You and others like you and the Press don't know that but the fact of life is there are no more "candidates" for Seminars to sign up and no more contracts of any size to be let.

SOON,,,,you will hear of the "teams" being laid off and the Yourdons and Norths will BLEAT about "they're not testing" but the fact of life is that MAJOR CORPORATIONS DO NOT COMMIT ECONOMIC SUICIDE BECAUSE ED YOUR-TOAST OR GARY "DUCT TAPE" NORTH OR YOU OR I SAY THEY WILL.

DOESN'T HAPPEN.

Get this part straight. I no longer consider the code problem the problem it was even 6 months ago. That was why I have dropped from 8.0 down to 3.5/4.5 with 75% of that rating built on my concern about the EXTREMISTS POLLUTING THE BUSINESS DIALOG ABOUT Y2k.

I believe Business and Government will get most of the job done that they have spent the money one to fix and have budgeted for testing.

I believe now that all this BS aboutj "Preparedness" is a cover for vested interests trying to make money off an issue that they don't have a clue about to even MORE CLUELESS PEOPLE.

Is that clear?

Corps here are finished and in final testing.

More

-- More cpr (outings@b.us), May 18, 1999.

Jesus Christ! CPR is a 4.5???

Now I am worried.

-- a (a@a.a), May 18, 1999.

Rather loud, isn't he?

He may get his wish to see a major corporation fail, or even more than one - seems the NY Times is reporting worse and worse progress as time gets shorter.

Wellll - we shall see whether his conclusions are justified, it appears to me that every corporation has found significant troubles, 75% have found (not reported, merely found) failures already in 1998; and 92 percent are behind their original schedules.

Okay, so let us assume they (these big companies cpr adores) are telling the truth. Will all finish in time? Will all fix their code and systems correctly? Or will we have the irregular failures in random areas lasting unpredictable lengths of time due to many million simultaneous failures of systems and processes?

Seems to me he ought be preparing....not complaining about losing fees. Unless he has found people don't pay to be told nothing will happen - when the evidence and their instincts for survival tell them that some level of preparation is important.

He is upset though - envy at othe's success? Irritated at being successfully ignored? Scared "we" collectively are right?

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), May 18, 1999.

Now let's get this straight; if I understand the post above correctly, "CPR" says:

"I take no money and do no business in Y2k. It cost me about $200,000 for the last 2 years in lost income to do what I do: EXPOSE EXTREMISTS USING Y2k FEAR."

Unbelievable!! Here we have a truly altruistic man! $400 K over two years OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET to expose extremists! If you believe this, I'd like to talk to you about a bridge that's on the market. . .

"For over a year I warned de Jager and others what North and Yourdon were up to. Now you had best believe many more know I was right. Gary does what he does for his "Church State" and EY does it for the "money". Now, there is enough data to suggest that he is also a believer in a "disaster theory" predicting his "ten year depression". "

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this one is no exception.

"I VIEW THE Y2k EXTREMISTS AS : EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO AMERICA. "

More opinion--so what?

"Its (sic) not going to happen but the "fear" of it is making people do things that are irrational. I lay the blame for that on the FEAR MAKERS."

Hasn't this character ever heard of taking responsibility for one's own actions? Apparently he fancies himself as somewhat adept at figuring out the motives of people (that he's never met) who may or may not be doing things that may or may not turn out to be rational as well.

"They will not get away with creating an "artificial crisis" as long as I can breathe. "

A fanatical pronouncement if ever I heard one! Hates extremists, does he say?

"PERIOD. I do this 18/7 and I HATE ALL EXTREMISTS expecially (sic) from the LEFT."

Yes, that's what he says (". . .especially those from the LEFT."). Not only is he altruistic enough to forego nearly a half a million dollars, he is apparently DEDICATED enough to do it eighteen hours a day! What a guy!

Does the phrase, "El Toro Poo-Poo", mean anything to you?

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), May 18, 1999.

Date: Feb 20, 13:10

From: CPR

Have you been dead long or is it a recent event??

My "credentials" are given in: Kappelman's Y2k book from the Society for Information Management where I predicted the Y2k impact on Investment real estate and the REITs. Two years ago, bozo, I said Retail would crater and the REITs would have some problems with cash flow in Malls. I also predicted a shortage of Industrial and Commercial storage in warehouse because of stockpiling as JIT levels were increased.

Theory 2 years ago. FACT today. You can also take a look at : http://www.russkelly.com/ "Experts pages" and see some more. What is missing which I have to get Russ to include is the breakdown of my rating of Y2k impact: 6.9 where 4.2 is for the technical and economic part and 2.7 is for the 'panic/hysterics' of the general population. (With all the de-bunking now going on, I think that will die away.)

But I do have some real "expertise" in a "niche" subject.

SURPRISE: My expertise is in.. YOU and your types. But the effect of the North/Yourdon Meme on people like you is a minor chapter in American History even though it is very interesting to me as a direct descendent of a line that goes back to the Know Nothings of the Mid- 1800s. Now we have the Net enabled one like you.."The Know Littles".

Just remember this: I was USMC and I learned to "take no prisoners". Academic niceties are for the "Mr. Deckers" and the Tea Party Set. I believe in direct frontal approach and exposing the Fear Mongers for what they are, cheap Quick Buck Artists or Political/Religious NUTS.

The danger is not from North or Yourdon doing anything. The real danger in Y2k is from the irrational actions their Bull Shit inspires. Ratcliffe addresses that in his ripping of Yourdon's 10 Year Depression Essay now. I said it last year: Yourdon knows NOTHING about Economics or Finance, thus any "scenarios" he dreams up with his keyboard and a glass of white wine, are FICTION that people like YOU... take as fact. You do so because you hide behind his constant chanting: "I, Ed Yourdonefor, have 30 years experience" and accept his views as yours.

When the "rush" from that isn't enough, you go out looking for more and find Gary North's IDIOTIC "Mad Max" craziness and then use that to justify whatever you do no matter what your Family or friends (if you have any) or neighbors might say.

Then,,, wrapped in your Cocoon of thinking insulation, you claim that ALL OTHERS are "in denial" or "don't know enough" or "are lying to themselves".

IN REALITY, it is people like YOU who can't deal with "reality".

Next year or several years from now, you will find another Y2k to shiver about.

North and Yourdon are not going to screw up OUR Country with their BS causing panic. It will end with North back in his hole under the rock he crawled out from and Yourdon retired by his FORMER Peers in I.T.

I'm fairly well known in the media but not to the public as the source of information on the "extremists" of Y2k. I have files on over 100 of them and willingly provide "deep background" to any legitimate writer or reporter for FREE. I can afford it.

It goes without saying that every file is available to the local and state Police and the Federal authorities who are now monitoring the Y2k Extremists in an effort to prevent any terrorism whether from domestic or foreign sources.

Any threats ever sent me are sent immediately to the authorities and don't ever believe that "anonymous" email is anonymous.

Actually, just keep in mind also,,,,I might be working here.

If I ever write a book on the "History of the Y2k Gloomers"; part of it will be about the sucess of GN is a BFI in De-Bunking IDIOTS.

People like you are only a minor subset. My real targets for DE- BUNKING have always been North and Yourdon and it looks like Mr. Yourdon's turn for "exposition" has come thanks to ZD's Ratcliffe and others.

If you send me your real email names and actually names I might actually include you. Other wise your adorable screen names will have to do. Thus, YOUR 15 minutes of fame will be lost.

Occasionally, I dabble in harder core technology and was the one who pretty much expose the Fraud of "time dilation" over a year ago.

The "Texas Fire Engine Myth" was another little story I gave to Declan M. to let the world know.

I was the first one to expose North and his associations with Yourdon on the I.T. Professional lists I am on. After revealing to the Professionals what North was and some of his choicer remarks, he has posted maybe 7 times in the last 1 1/2 years.

He and Yourdonefor took their act to the world of the Techno- Illiterates, Know-littles and BS artists LIKE YOU where how to turn a PC on makes one an instant expert.

Don't feel bad, I save my very best shots for liberals and leftists. Link

-- More cpr (outings@b.us), May 18, 1999.

Wow!

So, that's what fear and panic does to one?

Amazable.

Should we take up a collection of rice and beans for the poor guy?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 18, 1999.

Oh, one other thing. . .

This "CPR" character appears to be extremely modest as well (that's a sarcastic comment).

He does not, however, know much at all about the United States Marine Corps policy on taking of prisoners (and that's a fact).

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), May 18, 1999.

Diane,

It's more fun to go over there and poke him with a long stick, use a long stick 'cause he foams.

I'm the one he threatened, he don't like me much.

-- CT (ct@no.yr), May 18, 1999.

Can I get a copy of my file? I want to find out my misspelling ratio of letters swapped per line of coding....

So this is where the news media get their sources....wow, clear, professional, not biased, democratically and properly aligned. Examining both sides of the issue - as long as it agrees with Clinton's agenda. But they (the news media) are professionals too, of course, with no reason to be biased or hypocritical, they don't hate anyone and independently seek the truth too.

Gee - I'm impressed. Have you considered that the programs and processes in use today really don't care what you think - they will respond only to the efforts of the people trying to investigate and repair the problem.

Your ranting, your hatred, your conclusions are meaningless. The programs don't care - can't care. They can either run properly, or fail. They may fail catastrophically (sometimes), irritatingly (more often) or be unnoticed (some times.) But they can either run - or fail.

If some/many/most/a few/a lot fail - so people who believed you are hurt or damaged, who is responsible? What is your response to the media then?

I didn't cause the panic - you did.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), May 18, 1999.

Okay, so I admitt, I'm bored, why else would I respond....????This dude/dudette reminds me of the 'ol dieter'? Could it be? I betcha...Where is Gayla when ya need her? She can smell a troll a 1000 miles away....lol.....Good to see your still around Robert....So BTW, IF this 'thing' has our vital info, so what? I have nothing to hide., pretty much exposed myself uh minus the trenchcoat of course.....Grin

-- consumer (private@aol.com), May 18, 1999.

"Collecting Background"

What a goofball. Go ahead, Sysman@yahoo.com, my current IP address, via Winsock: 204.143.69.25, part of the Verio, old GES, old JVNC(?) Network. I dare ya... <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), May 18, 1999.

So that's what this proxy thing is?

-- Wiseguy (got@it.gov), May 18, 1999.

Dear CPR- - - - "CHEVRON"

C

-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 19, 1999.

You know you're arguing with a sandwich, right?

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), May 20, 1999.

Turkey or ham sandwich?

There was something said years ago, and I can't remember the citation, but the quote was:

"If your name's not on a list somewhere, shame on you."

Have courage.

-- Donna (moment@pacbell.net), May 20, 1999.

Jimmy Bodn,

Is that toasted on both sides? He's being alot quieter now, reminds me of Norm in some ways.

-- CT (ct@no.yr), May 20, 1999.