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Regards, Bob Mangus < rmangus@hotmail.com >

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A demonstration by example of the lack of thought processes eminating from the "Ivory Towers" of typical (management?!) corporate/government flaks! ...

Some folks can't figure out what to do with _facts_ once they find/have them ...

To wit ...

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< http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/all/990524A886 >

Y2K fact checking

05/24/99 Amidst speculations about the impact of Y2K, we find that statements that have been portrayed as "facts" don't stand up to scrutiny. For instance, ...

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These inaccurate statements could unduly cause worry about having enough insulin at the start of the new century. That is unfounded.

Lilly manufactures all of its human insulin in the U.S., near its company headquarters in Indianapolis. Only 15% of the raw materials Lilly uses to make its insulin comes from countries other than the U.S. In total, we rely on 44 suppliers for those raw materials to make insulin, and only nine of them are located in countries outside the U.S. Furthermore, in the U.S., we have all of the raw materials we need to make our 1999 year-end target inventories for major Lilly products.

... [RMangus] Doyia Chadwick: --------

Q.: HOW MUCH INSULIN WILL _LILLY_ BE CAPABLE OF MANUFACTURING _WITHOUT_ THOSE PARTICULAR "15% of the raw materials ... { that } come from countries other than the U.S"?

A.: 0.0% --------

Q.: HOW MUCH INSULIN WILL _LILLY_ BE CAPABLE OF MANUFACTURING _WITHOUT_ ANY __ONE__ OF THOSE "44 suppliers for those raw materials to make insulin"?

A.: 0.0% --------

Q.: WHAT ARE LILLY'S PLANS FOR "RAW MATERIALS" __AFTER__ THEIR CURRENT 1999 YEAR-END INVENTORIES RUN OUT?

A.: ...

... Doh!

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Lilly is working to explain our Y2K readiness and address the flow of insulin to consumers.

Given the importance of the Y2K issue, it is crucial that statements given as "fact" are indeed true.

Doyia Chadwick Eli Lilly and Co.

Indianapolis

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-- Robert Mangus (rmangus@hotmail.com), May 25, 1999

Answers

Are you for "real"?????

Do you know the first thing about business??? ******* ELI LILLY ******* IS GOING TO WAIT FOR "BOB" MANGUS TO REMIND THEM TO STOCK PILE RAW INGREDIENT INVENTORY??????

Do you know the first thing about business???

-- Null Brained Bob (NULL.BRAINED.BOB@peabrained.edu), May 25, 1999.


If Lilly has 50 gazillion gallons of Insulin prepared in advance and there aren't any planes, trains or trucks to get it out of Indianapolis...then what? This same analogy applies to every other item we use and take for granted.

-- Richard Westerlind (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), May 25, 1999.

Furthermore, in the U.S., we have all of the raw materials we need to make our 1999 year-end target inventories for major Lilly products.

They did NOT say that the 15% were 15% of what was needed to produce insulin, as in 15% of the ingredients involved.

Q.: HOW MUCH INSULIN WILL _LILLY_ BE CAPABLE OF MANUFACTURING _WITHOUT_ THOSE PARTICULAR "15% of the raw materials ... { that } come from countries other than the U.S"?

A.: 100.0% -------- DUH They increase the amount of those supplies they get within this country.

Q.: HOW MUCH INSULIN WILL _LILLY_ BE CAPABLE OF MANUFACTURING _WITHOUT_ ANY __ONE__ OF THOSE "44 suppliers for those raw materials to make insulin"?

A.: 100%0 They do not state that each of the 44 suppliers were supplying a different ingredient needed for insulin. If one cannot suppy what they normally do, the others can increase their production to make up for it.

Q.: WHAT ARE LILLY'S PLANS FOR "RAW MATERIALS" __AFTER__ THEIR CURRENT 1999 YEAR-END INVENTORIES RUN OUT?

A.: ... Ah Geeze ~~ Perhaps they are continueing to produce insulin in a 7 month supply ahead of need, so in Dec 1999 they will be getting the "raw materials" in the same place they do now. And if they were to loose any one of those suppliers they would make up for it in the same way they have in the past and would tomorrow. If your gas station around the corner were to close tomorrow would you stand by helplessly and do without gas? Or would you find another gas station to provide you with gas? Are you so ignorant as to believe that they are waiting until their Dec 1999 supply runs out before producing more insulin?

Considering insulin is made from the extraction of pancreatic tissue, there is no necessity of absolutly "having to" import it.

Your post is a real demonstration by example of the lack of a thought processes, or is it just another way of twisting facts for your own purposses?

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 25, 1999.


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"Lilly" does/did NOT indicate that they _have_ alternative ( contingency ) supply in this item. Y2K projects that I have worked for large companies ( i.e., Ford, BCBSM, Chrysler, etc. ), have discovered that picking up replacement resources is indeed not a trivial matter. In some instances, the at-risk material/resource/process had to be brought in-house. Again, these are not contingencies set up over niht.

Reiteration:

. Lilly _manufactures_ 100% insulin in the U.S.

. 15% of the raw materials _come from_ other countries.

Regards, Bob Mangus * * *

-- Robert Mangus (rmangus@hotmail.com), May 25, 1999.


A good friend of mine works at a place that makes stuff used on animals. They were considering making it available to use on people, but then it would be subject to FDA approval. In getting it approved, the suppliers had to be approved. Even if they were ordering something "standard" (alcohol, for instance) a new supplier meant the product had to be re-submitted to the approval process.

Anyone out there familiar with FDA regulations? COULD they just change suppliers?

-- Jim Smith (JSmith1@hotmail.com), May 25, 1999.



So Lilly can handle its insulin production. Fine. But the world's largest producer of industrial enzymes and the world leader in the manufacture of insulin and other diabetes health care products is a Danish company called Novo Nordisk A/S.

http://www.bioplanet.com/chat/jobs/messages/100.htm

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), May 26, 1999.


Sorry, forgot to add: The best medication available for Type 2 diabetics is Glucophage. Most Type 2s can take Glucophage for 5-10 years before having to go to insulin. Glucophage is made by a subsidiary of Merck--located in France.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), May 26, 1999.

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