You're a particularly erudite and observant Jolly Green Giant, which is a rare and valuable community resource. Care to weigh in on the Cox Report?

I think the Chinese are going to rule Asia shortly after Y2k, and take us out within 20 years - minimum. You?

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 28, 1999

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Much less than 20 years, Id say maybe 2 at the most. Willie's pupateers had this planned for a long time.

-- Avis (Avisandj@aol.com), May 29, 1999.

Dano,

I'm afraid I've got to admit that I haven't read the Cox report yet, or even heard more than a snippet on HL News. I'll probably get a chance to read it soon, and I'll offer whatever I come up with then. Sorry I can't do better but I have a lot going on besides the news and this forum.

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), May 29, 1999.

Okay H., take your time. But I'm hoping you will favor us with an opinion; I've read some of your previous posts and think you might offer some insight into the situation. And I think we do have a "situation" with China.

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 29, 1999.

Avis, You are undoubtedly a young person, as you seem to very gullible to this recent media propaganda circus being largely controlled by the right-wing extremist heirarchy of the New World Order. Those of us who have been around a bit longer know that things are not always what they seem, and that you should not always believe everything the media feeds you. You said: "Willie's pupateers had this planned for a long time." Although I'd recommend doing thorough research before jumping to such obviously simple conclusions, I'll provide you with some tidbits of truth for a change. CNN leaked part of the COX report back in January, part which has since been withheld from the public because the NWO doesn't want you to know that anyone else could be responsible, except for their classic decoy, Bill Clinton. You'll undoubtedly be hearing more ludicrous ranting by the likes of Nikoli, CT, and Coprolith, intended to increase fear of Clinton by the American people, but be warned that many of these folks are themselves advocates of the NWO, and will strive to fulfill their own agendas by feeding you outright lies.

Henry Kissinger secretly offered China U.S. satellite information and a hot line long before the communist government gained American diplomatic recognition, according to transcripts of conversations about to be released.

Kissinger offered to share a web of intelligence in meetings with Chinese leaders, including Chairman Mao Tse-tung and Premier Chou En-lai in November 1973.

Two weeks ago, a select House committee issued a largely secret, 700-page report that the chairman, Rep. Christopher Cox, R-California, said "found that national security harm did occur" from not only the Clinton transfers but other Chinese acquisitions over the past two decades.


Kissinger's office said he was traveling and not available for comment.


..he offered China secret military cooperation with the United States,including "ideas on how to lessen the vulnerability of your forces and how to increase the warning time" before a Soviet attack.

Three days later, Kissinger told the premier, according to a transcript:

"Any help we would give you in our mutual interest should be in a form that is not easily recognizable. With respect to missile launches, we have a very good system of satellites, which give us early warning."

"The problem is to get that to you rapidly. We would be prepared to establish a hot line between our satellites and Beijing by which we could transmit information to you in a matter of minutes."

Chou asked, "Through the satellites?"

Kissinger explained the information would go to Washington and then to Beijing in ways that "would not attract attention."

link

-- @ (@@@.@), May 29, 1999.

@ aka cpr,

LMAOROTF

-- CT (ct@no.yr), May 29, 1999.

ditto CT

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), May 29, 1999.

Gee guys, is that ALL you have to say? Kinda hard to dispute the TRUTH isn't it?

-- @ (@@@.@), May 29, 1999.

Have to agree with @ in fact, though I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with all that ass-wiggling in the end-zone. Is this about one-upmanship, or saving a free society from plutocratic totalitarian scheming? When they come for your guns, for instance, will the humilation of being deballed and declawed be helped by the satisfaction of saying "I told you so"? Please get real.

Also, while Clinton is a puppet of the International Financial establishment, like chief errand-boy Kissenger, it's a distortion to de-emphasize the almost total destruction of American military superiority that has occured on Clintons watch, and often with the direct aid of Clinton and Company. I refer to loosening of export restrictions against the warnings of the Pentagon that such loosening represents a clear and present danger to national security. Clinton not only allowed espionage to happen, long after he was informed (and later lied about being informed), but actively aided Chinese military front companies to obtain nuclear information, sattelite technology, and the high-speed computers necessary to fast-track their nuke program. Clinton aided the Chinese takeover of the Panama Canal. We are out of there, and it will be controlled by Chinese military-owned front companies on 1/1/00. Clinton-appointee Reno obstructed FBI investigations into nuclear espionage: of over 2600 FBI requests to the DOJ for wiretaps, only ONE was refused by Reno: Wen Ho Lee, the accused nuke spy. The international bankers who have sold out the American Republic and Constitution have had us bent over for decades; now they have achieved "total penetration" with Clinton and his army of non-elected appointees guiding them in.

It's important to look at the larger trend, the big picture; but it's also important to focus on the timing of current events and what is fresh in the public mind. It's not an "either/or" situation. We need to respect eachother's views on this, and not turn it into a dick-measuring contest.

It's all too clear that the Western financial establishment has made a longstanding secret deal with the Chinese; that formerly sovereign nations are to be dissolved into three regional blocks: Asian, European and American. Eventually these will be merged into one. If you want some idea of where all this is going, read Ira Levin's novel of the future, "This Perfect Day." Read up on the so-called "Third Way" - of anticonstitutional socialism- being pushed by Clinton, Blair, etc.. It's time for everyone who has taken an oath to "uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic" to consider their oath deeply, and steel themselves against the next assault on our Republic.

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), May 31, 1999.

Dano,

On the contrary, I am not trying to outsmart anyone, but rather help them to see the root of the problem, so that they may also be able to prevent it from going any further. I am amazed by with the success that the NWO is having in using Clinton as their decoy. Never in my life have I seen such a large portion of society become completely distracted by the media circus surrounding Clinton. The NWO goes snooping around in his private affairs, and now they've got most people convinced that Clinton is responsible for anything that goes wrong.

Do you really think that someone stupid enough to get caught with his pants down in the Oval Office would be accepted into the NWO? Behind closed doors they are laughing their asses off at him! Here's an analogy for you: Remember the movie "Animal House?" Remember "Flounder", the guy they let into the fraternity so they could use his Dad's Lincoln Continental? Clinton is the "Flounder" character in the "fraternity" of the NWO. He is their perfect fall-guy! He does what they tell him to do, but is not nearly as dangerous as someone like Kissinger, who has credibility and intelligence.

Did you know that Kissinger is on the board of directors of Hollinger International, publishers of 403 newspapers worldwide? And people wonder why we don't hear about certain NWO activities in the news. They control it! See for yourself:

hollinger

See their latest 10-K report, page 52, where Kissinger is listed:

Hollinger 10-K

This is just one of many organizations he is involved in that has many people wondering, "why?" : Kissinger

In the meantime, the NWO are rapidly making their moves in other arenas, while Americans are amused by the antics of Clinton. People are accusing Clinton for mishandling the Kosovo situation, when in reality he is, for the most part, following the recommendations of NATO's poster boy, General Wesley K. Clark. But few people realize that Clark is getting his orders from mucher higher up in the NWO heirarchy, within the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Bilderberg Group. He holds a master's degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from Oxford University where he studied as a Rhodes Scholar, and with over 12 military decorations, is a "shining star" for the NWO. Clark Bio Incidentally, if you'll take note of the dates, you'll see that he was firmly entrenched in military operations, including Desert Storm (Bush's little NWO power party) well before Billy boy was elected.

In the meantime, you've got globalization of currencies, massive bank and oil mergers, corporate welfare, and many other issues which the American people just shrug off, without any thought as to what the hell is going on! The recent merger of Exxon-Mobil will be approved, and will create such a monopoly that after this year we will probably never see gas prices below $2 per gallon. Rockefeller tried to do this at the beginning of this century with Standard Oil, but someone was smart enough to break it up. Not this time.

Also recently passed into legislation with little notice was banking "reform" which will give the owners of these multinational banks the power to get involved in securities and insurance businesses. They will then have a virtual lock and key to control the financial security of your lives.

So Dano, I'm glad to see that there are perhaps some people who are not totally blindsided by the media onslaught, but on this forum even many who claim to be opposed to the NWO taking control are being fooled into looking in the wrong direction. While they are pointing their finger at the boy with his hand in the cookie jar, they don't see the burglar who came in the back door and is stealing all the cash and jewelry from the safe! Although many Americans find it amusing and entertaining to allow themselves to be consumed by these conspiratorial soap operas, I think it is time we start making some changes in our lives before it is too late. The primary tools which the NWO elite are using to manipulate and take control of us are the Media, Oil, Money, and Military. I walk the talk, and do not use oil or banking, and as far as the media goes, I rarely believe what I hear until I have gathered enough information to reach an accurate conclusion.

There probably isn't much that John Q. Public can do to restrain the NWO advance on the military front, but if we do not allow them to use their other tools we can stop them in their tracks. It is time for people to get off their lazy asses and quit using oil and the banking system. There are alternatives, you just have to have the guts to make the change. Look at what Art Bell did, and you'll see someone who is becoming self-sufficient, instead of advancing the NWO agenda:

Art's solar power

-- @ (@@@.@), May 31, 1999.

@,

Thanks for perking my interest, meanwhile I caught this on the government forum

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/stat-m24.shtml

do you really think these satelites in the sky are all for telecom and pictures?

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), June 02, 1999.

Scratch that last line, it was another topic on a cut and paste.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), June 02, 1999.

@, I don't understand where your differences with CT and I lay. We weren't laughing at your interpretation of the situation, but at your implication of us as NWO agents. I guarantee you couldn't be more wrong about that, or about the fact that we aren't seeing the big picture.

I am perfectly aware that the NWO movement is bi-partisan and has been going on for nearly 100 years with it's origins predating WW-I. I am also cognizant of the fact that Cecil Rhodes little commie factory has been cranking out hand picked globalist agents throughout it's lifespan, along with Harvard and Yale in the second half of this century. Indeed the NWO-globalist movement has achieved near total control of all the large universities in the developed nations of the world.

I see Kissenger as the same breed of serpent as you, along with Bush and Haig. Once again the media is presenting us with a selection of NWO candidates to choose from in the next election, leaving the American public in a no-win situation. How do we break this cycle and get out of the Kill Box? You would think the globalist would have realized by now that the communist bloc is not playing their game with sincerity, and intend to be the eventual rulers of any World government which comes to power.

Bill Clinton is in one sense just another of a long line of traitors who have achieved high office in this nation. But in another he is a breed apart. No other President of this country has displayed the absolute lack of conscience, scruples, or basic morals he has. With the exception of Woodrow Wilson and FDR no other American President has assaulted the constitution with the single-mindedness he has displayed. He stands alone in his attacks on civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, and his dismantling of the American Military.

So when you say we are distracted by his shenanigans, it is a mis- statement. The fact is he is the single largest danger to the nation at the moment, and even if we were able to achieve his removal from office the damage he has done could never be repaired in full.

I would like to ask that everyone reading this get themselves a copy of the membership list of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations before the next elections, and vote against any candidate present thereon. Or just vote straight Libertarian as you won't find any of their names on these list.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), June 02, 1999.