...the law of entropy says that our energy is lost; it becomes part of the disorder of the Universe; a Universe that has an finite edge to it and can longer be defined as infinte; thus, humanity continues to define and use its limitations but, like our expanding Universe; we, as individuals, expand as well which, if by choice, can include our belief systems. and thus, i am not at all troubled by the fact that we are dying beings as much as we are living beings. this is the Truth and the Truth shall set you free - and, in this way - this way toward the appreciation of every moment of life that you possess on this Earth. we are confronted with we know consciously and what we don't know subconsciously. and there are secrets - so many secrets - "the Father knows" something we don't and "the Devil made me do it" are both paraphrases with the same context. Revelations is the descent of the war of heaven to earth. It is the blindness of what we don't know especially with regard to prophecy and reincarnate soul; it is an apocalyspe of our own creation. the mind body problem addresses our inability to sense, perceive and interpret the present and the future. we are blind to the present and the future because all of our sensory input; all of our perceptions and experience go directly into the past. we struggle to interpret the present and the future is a human construct; a hypothesis. one simple hypothesis is that Evil seperates and that responsible men and women work together to unify. one of the reasons that the dream of Revelations has gained prominance is the simple fact that we are at the end of the Millennium. so, another hypothesis can be generated immediately: that certain individuals will use prophecy for their own agenda and empowerment - that there is a good chance that they may be thinking 'it is my time to act' or they may feel that Satan is actually directing them to act. this hypothesis is where i have become proactive in letters to my Congressional Representatives and i have seen a reaction to this hypothesis by Congress; the FBI and the CIA in the form of increased counterterrorism funding. i have a letter from the National Security Division; US Department of Justice saying specifically what the increased funding for counterterrorism will be used for - my initial concern being that counterterrorism funding would be usedsfor special interests. finally. what i mean by multivariate anaylsis is that Revelations is not a simple dream; we need interpretation from everyone as to its significance. my proactivity here is my opposition to secrecy - the secrets of Bilderberg Club; the Third Secret of Fatima. it is as though the common folk cannot possibility begin to understand the consequences of these secrets nor we have a choice as how this agenda will proceed - a Revelations "third" of the planet dies off and we have nothing to say or do about it??? -

well come on, People!!!

the multivariate solution to a multivariate analysis are, once again, responsible men and women working together to unify. this also means giving women equal access to the secrets. it means a trial of a woman President; a trial of a woman Pope; a trial of women leaders worldwide. it means a trial of psychics and scientists working together. it means a lot of a change - a New Renaissance of religion, science and government. a friend says to me that "SHe is the Way..." - interesting, no doubt - as if food for thought and the feelings generated by soul; soul is light - the energy of love for one another...

philip

-- Philip Henika (zowie@telis.org), June 05, 1999

Answers

Philip,

I tried unsuccessfully earlier to get some specific responses from you, but I'll simply try for a high-level response this time. Since your ideas are so counter to all flavors of Christianity, could you simply state why you are posting them here on this forum? What kind of feedback are you seeking? Certainly not agreement?

-- David (David@matt6:33.com), June 05, 1999.

David:

a friedly advice: don't waste your time with people that feigns not to understand your questions!!

ENRIQUE

-- ENRIQUE ORTIZ (eaortiz@yahoo.com), June 06, 1999.

David;

My answers to your questions and others were combined in this post and I intend to keep posting as I feel Revelations is an important subject to discuss and IMO - an important scenario to finally open up to the People. I enjoy your feedback, David and your questions. I just decided to answer as many as I could in one post.

Philip

-- Philip Henika (zowie@telis.org), June 06, 1999.

Philip,

Forgive me. I did not initially see your responses in the above text. I'll comment on them if I may, but first, I would like to clarify that I did not mean to imply that your posts are unwelcome. Hey, these guys tolerate me, so far be it from me to make anyone feel unwelcome :-) It's just that you are using terminology and presenting concepts that would seem better suited to a new age forum. Be that as it may, I will offer some Christian perspective to your post.

Philip said: "i am not at all troubled by the fact that we are dying beings as much as we are living beings. this is the Truth and the Truth shall set you free

My response: On one level I agree. Indeed, in the physical dimension, we are alive and we are dying. Yet, in the spiritual dimension, we are eternal and will always live. We have a soul which will continue to live after our bodies have died.

Yet, on another level, I need to clarify something. When using the term "Truth" with a capital "T", it is implied that you are speaking of something higher or more profound that that which is typically called true or factual. But in your context, it falls short of its true meaning. The ultimate Truth is actually Jesus Christ. Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life." Jesus alone embodies the Truth. He is the Word of God. He is the Revelation of God. Facts and individual truths may indeed be part of the whole truth, but Jesus alone is Truth in its entirety.

So when one embraces Jesus as Lord and Savior, he/she has embraces the Truth in its entirety.

Philip said: "Revelations is the descent of the war of heaven to earth."

My response: Actually, the "war in Heaven" has already been faught. Satan and his demonic hordes rebelled against God and were defeated. Granted, Revelations depicts a war that is coming in which Satan and his rebellious followers make a stand with this rebellious world system and its followers here on earth. And Revelations tells us of the promised victory of Jesus and the hosts of Heaven as they descend to engage the battle.

Philip said: "It is the blindness of what we don't know especially with regard to prophecy and reincarnate soul; it is an apocalyspe of our own creation.

My response: There's that reincarnate soul thing again. Could you please define that?

Also, you seem to be implying that the "war" or "apocalypse" that is coming is due to our own lack of knowledge or rather it is due to the limitations of our belief system. That somehow, if we are able to gain insight into the past, present and future to see past our blindness, to expand our belief system, then we could act in unity to avoid the coming "war"/"apocalyspe". Is that a correct understanding?

In truth, the original "war" as well as the coming "apocalypse" are both the result of rebellion against God and His ways. Evil disobedience, plain and simple. They have nothing to do with what we know or believe. But I must say that your idea has a familar ring to it. If you'll rcall in the Garden of Eden, didn't the serpent tempt Eve into disobeying God by telling her that she needed to eat the fruit in order to expand her knowledge and belief system so that she would know the secrets of God and in fact, become like God? Forgive me for being so blunt, but I think you've plagiarized your ideas from the serpent.

Philip said: ",i>the mind body problem addresses our inability to sense, perceive and interpret the present and the future. we are blind to the present and the future because all of our sensory input; all of our perceptions and experience go directly into the past."

My response: Actually, our sensory input is always functioning in the present, not the past. Our experiences or rather memories deal with the past.

Philip said: "we struggle to interpret the present and the future is a human construct; a hypothesis. one simple hypothesis is that Evil seperates and that responsible men and women work together to unify."

My response: Let's see if I understand this. Are you saying that the reason we cannot interpret the present and future is because Evil has in some way impacted our ability to interpret?

I would submit that the understanding of the future has been and always will be reserved for God. Everything indicates that neither mankind nor angels have ever seen into the future apart from what God chose to reveal. Evil had nothing to do with it.

The short definition of evil is rebellion against God. The fact that evil separates is true, but it is the separation between that which is Evil (the fallen, sinful nature of man and the fallen, sinful nature of demonic angels) and that which is Holy (God). We are not separated from knowledge, we are separated from God (the All-Knowing). Jesus came to reconcile us to God. Only by faith and obedience to Jesus, can we bridge that separation.

Philip said: "one of the reasons that the dream of Revelations has gained prominance is the simple fact that we are at the end of the Millennium. so, another hypothesis can be generated immediately: that certain individuals will use prophecy for their own agenda and empowerment - that there is a good chance that they may be thinking 'it is my time to act' or they may feel that Satan is actually directing them to act."

My response: On this we are in total agreement. Many are equating the end of the millennium with the end of time and are trying to use the fears of people as leverage to accomplish socio-economic goals for personal power.

Philip said: "what i mean by multivariate anaylsis is that Revelations is not a simple dream; we need interpretation from everyone as to its significance"

My response: Interpreting dreams and visions is rather tricky. While everyone has a different opinion, very few have the Truth. I submit that portions of Revelations are easily understood and have been for years. I also submit that many other portions deliberately remain a mystery until that time which God chooses to reveal it to mankind. We need God's wisdom to properly interpret Revelations and very few (if any) have that today.

Philip said: "my proactivity here is my opposition to secrecy - the secrets of Bilderberg Club; the Third Secret of Fatima. it is as though the common folk cannot possibility begin to understand the consequences of these secrets nor we have a choice as how this agenda wil proceed - a Revelations "third" of the planet dies off and we have nothing to say or do about it???"

My response: I see such secret plannings and socio-economic manipulations by people in power as well, but I choose to trust God. No one can do anything without His knowledge. If we pray and intercede in these matters, then we are doing our job. Never underestimate the prayer power of a righteous person.

Philip said: "the multivariate solution to a multivariate analysis are, once again, responsible men and women working together to unify. this also means giving women equal access to the secrets. it means a trial of a woman President; a trial of a woman Pope; a trial of women leaders worldwide."

My response: Our salvation is in Jesus Christ, not in trying to out-manipulate the Bilderbergs by installing women in positions of power in an effort to spoil their plans.

Philip said: "it means a trial of psychics and scientists working together. it means a lot of a change - a New Renaissance of religion, science and government."

My response: Psychics Philip?? Psychics are those who attempt to gain knowledge that is reserved for God alone. They achieve their means through a demonic anointing. I have had personal experience in praying for someone who was quite versed in the psychic realm (levitation, long distance ESP, heat transferrance, speaking with the spirits, etc). He surrendered his life to Jesus and the demons left him I am glad to say, but he realized afterwards that ALL psychic power comes from the devil. Flee from it and cling to Jesus.

Philip said: "a friend says to me that "SHe is the Way..." - interesting, no doubt - as if food for thought and the feelings generated by soul; soul is light - the energy of love for one another..."

My response: Now we have here a deliberate perversion of scripture. Jesus said "I am the way . . ." "Soul is light"? Again, Jesus says God is light, not the soul. Forgive me for being so blunt again, but your thoughts here sound as if they are directly from the devil's mouth.

Philip, bottom line is that you need Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. If you are interested in surrendering your life to Him, please let me know. As it stands, that is the last post along those lines that I'll take the time to analyze and comment on.

Speaking of secrets and hidden agendas, I suspect that your agenda here on this forum is more than a discussion of Revelations and a call to action. You seem more interested in trying to corrupt God's Word and God's Way than in learning Truth.

-- David (David@matt6:33.com), June 07, 1999.

Hi David;

David, I am not into New Age - ok? - I am curious about a Renaissance as a response to Revelations - the proactivity of the Church; Government; Science - responsible men and women working together in coordinated fashion toward the understanding of Revelations; its socioplitical consequences and changes required for its prevention. A very good Catholic friend of mine has informed me that Sister Lucia has warned Cardinal Ratzinger that Revelation's Chapt 8-13 will become relevant soon. As you well know Chapt 8 starts out with "and there was silence in the Heavens for about a half hour". well a half hour is just about the time it takes for an Intercontinental ballistic missile to cross over from Russia to the US and Malachi Martin warns us to "watch the skies" and Nostradamus says "at forty-five degrees the sky will burn". and so, I become a concerned American citizen - not paranoid - but a concerned American citizen. And, as one who has studied prophecy and sociopolitcal scenarios - I see where some are coming together - numerous examples - some listed in other posts here. i see where some individuals are using prophecy for their own agenda and so, i try to put myself in their shoes because what they do will be based on their beliefs; their passions - not yours or mine. hence, another embassy goes up in flames because we ignore the understanding of what they believe. so, if you feel that i am speaking from the devil's mouth than i have actually succeeded; i consider it a compliment - perhaps i can establish some credibility on the prediction of Satanic activities - i am for increased counterterrorist spending. Christ was a mediator - we used mediation in the Middle East to establish the Wye Accords; the purpose was for a lasting peace (my hope; my agenda - ok?). so, why wasn't mediation used in the Europe to establish a lasting peace? My Senator last year says that bilateral talks with no secrecy as to who is meeting; mediation; non-partisan politics; full-time negotiations are imperative for effective diplomacy. In Europe, the story was part-time diplomats (Holbrooke); a secret Contact Group in the drafting of their peace accord; the shoving of the accord down Milosevic's throat and, my concern all along, that Bilderberg Club interests are at work in a big way - Malachi Martin's transnationals. and in reply to other concerns: (1) every sense; every perception; every experience you have goes into the past - it takes time to sense and interpret and process what you think you know - your 'present'; your 'future' are illusions - that is why we work together - blind leading the blind. (2) IMO - in the 21st Century, psychics will hone their skills and become more accepted in such things as police work; women will emerge as highly-intuitive leaders; and science will discover, for example, that combination therapies will work in lieu of one profitable drug versus one disease. So, we'll see???

Nice talking to you, Philip

ps a reincarnate soul is a recaptured spirit and it attendant; in the evil context, one who wishes to continue the work of eg a Hitler

-- Philip Henika (zowie@telis.org), June 07, 1999.