Gun Control's Nazi Connection! Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation. We must call for a full investigation, and the repeal of GCA '68 -- NOW!!

by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

Are you tired of being told that gun control is a chronic pain that you have to accept because there's no cure? Do you -- a law abiding person -- want to be free: to own whichever firearms you want to own, regardless of where in America you live; from waiting periods, gun bans, magazine capacity restrictions, etc.; to spend your time on the range or in the field, rather than fighting gun control?

Are you tired of giving hard earned bucks to efforts that have at best only slowed the gun grabbers' push toward firearms registration and confiscation? If you have had enough of death by a thousand cuts, you are ready to take action to wipe out gun control -- now.

Members of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) consider gun control to be an aggressive cancer. JPFO has a cure, a way to destroy gun control. JPFO has hard evidence that shows that the Nazi Weapons Law (March 18, 1938) is the source of the U.S Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA '68). Adolph Hitler signed the Nazi Weapons Law. The Gestapo (Nazi National Secret Police) enforced it. In 'Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny' we present the official German text of the Nazi Weapons Law and a side-by-side translation into English. Even more deadly: a side-by-side, section-by-section comparison of the GCA '68 with the Nazi Weapons Law. If you have this in your hands, no one can tell you that you're imagining things.

The clincher: JPFO knows who implanted into American law cancerous ideas from the Nazi Weapons Law.

The likely culprit is a former senator, now deceased. We have documentary proof -- see below -- that he had the original text of the Nazi Weapons Law in his possession 4 months before the bill that became GCA '68 was signed into law.

This former senator was a senior member of the U.S. team that helped to prosecute Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg, Germany, in 1945-46. That is probably where he found out about the Nazi Weapons Law. He may have gotten a copy of it then, or at a later date. We cannot imagine why any U.S. lawmaker would own original texts of Nazi laws. To find out his name, read on.

With this hard evidence in your hands and in your head, you can destroy cancerous gun control. You can challenge anyone who backs gun control. You can show them the Nazi ideas, line by line.

The parallels between the Nazi law and GCA '68 will leap at you from the page. For example, law abiding firearm owners in Illinois, Massachusetts and New Jersey must carry identification cards based on formats from the Nazi Weapons Law. Nazi based laws have no place in America. Thousands of Americans died or were wounded in the war to wipe out the Nazis. They did not suffer or die so that Hitler's ideas could live on in America and kill more Americans. Remember Killeen, Texas! The 23 who died in Luby's Cafeteria there died because they obeyed Nazi inspired gun control laws. The law forced them, unarmed, to face an armed madman.

To destroy gun control before more law abiding Americans are murdered by criminals or madmen helped by gun control, you need to get hold of the evidence as presented in 'Gun Control; Gateway to Tyranny.' You can then challenge the media, the most aggressive backers of gun control. Ask media personalities in your city or town why they back Nazi based laws. You can demand repeal of GCA '68 and the thousands of state and local laws based on it. You can help to erase gun control, Hitler's last legacy.

GCA '68 puts your life at risk right now. You have a constitutional civil right to be armed in order to protect yourself, because under U.S law the police have no duty to protect the average person:

"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order"

(Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 [1982]).

The Supreme Court last dealt with this issue in 1856; the 1982 decision states the position in modern language. The laws of virtually every state parallel federal law (see JPFO Special Report "Dial 911 and Die!" covered in 'Guns & Ammo', July 1992). This has been so ever since the Constitution was adopted in 1791. As a result, the framers of the Second Amendment deliberately created (guaranteed) an individual civil right to be armed. It is your only reliable defense against criminals. GCA '68 ties your hands and keeps you from carrying out your legal duty to ensure your own self defense. GCA '68 thus undermines a pillar of U.S. law and helps criminals to kill law abiding Americans. Hitler would be pleased.

Thus, GCA '68 marked a new approach to gun control. It replaced the Federal Firearms Act (June 30, 1938), which was based on the federal power to regulate interstate commerce. The 1938 law required firearms dealers to get a federal license (which then cost $1). Only dealers could ship firearms across state lines. Ordinary people could receive shipments from dealers.

In GCA '68 the government required that in almost all cases only dealers could send and receive firearms across state lines. This ended "mail order" sales of firearms by law abiding persons who are not licensed dealers. GCA '68 hits you even harder. Congress gave federal bureaucrats in Washington D.C., the power to decide what kinds of firearms you can own. The framers of GCA '68 borrowed an idea -- that certain firearms are "hunting weapons" -- from the Nazi Weapons Law (Section 21 and Section 32 of the Regulations, page 61 and page 73, respectively, of 'Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny'). The equivalent U.S. term, "sporting purpose," was used to classify firearms. But it was not defined anywhere in GCA '68. Thus, bureaucrats were empowered to ban whole classes of firearms. They have, in fact, done so.

We wanted to know the source of these new ideas. On reading "Dial 911 and Die!" a JPFO member told us he had seen an article -- by Alan Stang in 'Review of the News,' October 4, 1967 (pages 15-20) -- the author of which felt that the Nazi Weapons Law was the model for GCA '68. We found the article. But Stang did not reproduce the Nazi law, so we could not check his conclusions.

We started to hunt for the text of the Nazi Weapons Law. We eventually found it, in the law library of an Ivy League university.

Until 1943-44, the German government published its laws and regulations in the 'Reichsgesetzblatt,' roughly the equivalent of the U.S. Federal Register. Carefully shelved by law librarians, the 1938 issues of this German government publication had gathered a lot of dust. In the 'Reichsgesetzblatt' issue for the week of March 21, 1938, was the official text of the Weapons Law (March 18, 1938). It gave Hitler's Nazi party a stranglehold on the Germans, many of whom did not support the Nazis. We found that the Nazis did not invent gun control in Germany. The Nazis inherited gun control and then perfected it: they invented handgun control.

The Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? Gun control did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.

The 1938 Nazi law barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 10. 1938 -- one day after the Nazi party terror squads (the SS) savaged thousands of Jews, synagogues and Jewish businesses throughout Germany -- new regulations under the Weapons Law specifically barred Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives.

Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA '68, we concluded that the framers of the GCA '68 -- lacking any basis in American law to sharply cut back the civil rights of law abiding Americans -- drew on the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.

Finding the Nazi Weapons Law whetted our appetite. We wanted to know who implanted this Nazi cancer in America. We began by probing the backgrounds of lawmakers who championed gun control. We focused on those whose bills became part of GCA '68. GCA '68 as enacted closely tracks proposals dating to August 1963. We felt that if the culprit were a lawmaker -- or a congressional staffer -- he or she would know Germany, German law and possibly even speak German. He or she probably would have spent time in Germany on business or during military service. Alternatively, if the culprit were not a member of Congress or a staffer, there would be testimony at the hearings to that effect.

Most potential suspects were quickly eliminated; they had no apparent ties to Germany. But one lawmaker caught our attention.

An old "Who's Who" entry showed he had been a senior member of the U.S. team that prosecuted German war criminals at Nuremberg in 1945-46. Thus, he had lived in Germany just after the Nazi period. His official duties required him to look at Nazi records, including Nazi laws. In 1963 he led the effort to greatly expand the Federal Firearms Act of 1938.

We then got a break. We told a legal scholar of our findings. He was intrigued. He sent us an extract from the record of hearings held a few months prior to the enactment of GCA '68. At the end of June 1968, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee to investigate Juvenile Delinquency -- chaired by Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT) -- held hearings on bills: (1) "To Require the Registration of Firearms" (S.3604). (2) "To Disarm Lawless Persons" (S.3634) and (3) "To Provide for the Establishment of a National Firearms Registry" (S.3637), among others.

U.S. Representative John Dingell (D-MI) testified at these Senate hearings on gun control. Senator Joseph D. Tydings (D-MD) chaired some of these hearings, in Dodd's absence.

Rep. Dingell expressed concern that if firearms registration were required, it might lead to confiscation of firearms, as had happened in Nazi Germany. Tydings angrily accused Rep. Dingell of using "scare tactics":

"Are you inferring that our system here, gun registration or licensing, would in any way be comparable to the Nazi regime in Germany, where they had a secret police, and a complete takeover?"

Rep. Dingell backed away.

(Hearings before the Subcommittee to Investigate Juvenile Delinquency of the Committee on the Judiciary, 90th Congress, 2nd Session, June 26, 27 and 28 and July 8, 9 and 10. 1968, pp. 479-80, 505-6 cited as Subcommittee Hearings.)

Tydings later inserted into the hearing record various documents, "concerning the history of Nazism and gun confiscation."

Exhibit No. 62 (see reproduction) is fascinating. This letter -- dated July 12, 1968 -- is to Subcommittee Chairman Dodd from Lewis C. Coffin, Law Librarian at the Library of Congress. Coffin wrote:

" ... we are enclosing herewith a translation of the Law on Weapons of March 18, 1938, prepared by Dr. William Solyom-Fekete of [the European Law Division -- ed.] as well as the Xerox of the original German text which you supplied" (Subcommittee Hearings, p. 489, emphasis added).

This letter makes it public knowledge that at the end of June 1968 -- 4 months before GCA '68 was enacted -- Senator Thomas J. Dodd, now deceased, personally owned a copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law.

Why did Dodd own the original German text of any Nazi law? Why did he make known that he owned it?

The Library of Congress then had (and still has) the 'Reichsgesetzblatt' in its collection. The Library of Congress translator, Dr. Solyom-Fekete, could easily have used the Library of Congress' own copy.

Any member of Congress who wanted to read the Nazi Weapons Law need only have asked for it to be produced from the shelves of the Library of Congress and for it to be translated by Library of Congress experts. Why should any member of Congress ever have owned the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law?

Without access to Tom Dodd's personal papers, archived under his heirs' control, we unfortunately cannot offer definite answers.

Dodd could have acquired the German text of the Nazi Weapons Law during his time at Nuremberg. But he had no need to do so.

Dodd did not personally handle the prosecution of Nazi Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick, who signed the Nazi Weapons Law. The case against Frick was presented by Robert M.W. Kempner, Assistant Trial Counsel for the United States (see 'Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal,' cited as TMWC, Vol. V, pp. 352-67, Nuremberg, Germany, 1947).

Nor should the Nazi Weapons Law otherwise have come to Dodd's attention. The Nazi Weapons Law was not used as evidence against Frick (see Kempner's speech, TMWC, V, pp. 352-67 and 'Index of Laws, Decrees, Orders, Directives, and the Administration of Justice in Nazi Germany and Nazi Dominated Countries', TMWC, Vol. XXIII, pp. 430-33). The Nazi Weapons Law is not listed among documents submitted as evidence to the Tribunal by the American prosecutors (see Vol. XXIV, pp. 98-169).

The prosecutors at Nuremberg doubtless knew of the Nazi Weapons Law. They probably saw it in the 'Reichsgesetzblatt.' On the same day that Nazi Interior Minister Frick signed the Weapons Law, March 18, 1938, he signed another law governing security measures in newly annexed Austria. This law concerning Austria appeared in the 'Reichsgesetzblatt' -- directly in front of the Weapons Law -- and was introduced into evidence at Nuremberg ('Reichsgesetzblatt' 1938, I, p. 262; the Nazi Weapons Law was published in the same volume, p. 265; see TMWC, Vol. V, p.358 for reference to law concerning Austria).

Thus, the Nazi Weapons Law appeared to have no historical merit at Nuremberg and should not have attracted anyone's notice, certainly not to the extent of causing anyone to want to keep a copy of it as a separate document.

If Dodd got his copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law during his time at Nuremberg, it likely was part of a collection of documents, for example, issues of the 'Reichsgesetzblatt'.

But if he acquired the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law after his service at Nuremberg, he must have done so for a very specific reason. The Nazi Weapons Law plainly did not figure at Nuremberg.

We may safely conclude it had little, if any, interest for those interested in the history of the Nazis' rise to power. For example, the Nazi Weapons Law is not mentioned at all in William L. Shirer's very thorough study of Nazi Germany, 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' (Simon and Schuster, New York, 1950).

At the hearings held by Dodd's subcommittee at the end of June 1968, Rep. Dingell had objected to the firearms registration provision then being discussed. Dodd may have offered his copy of the Nazi Weapons Law to show that the specific proposal did not resemble anything in the Nazi law.

He may not have realized that he was revealing a broader truth; that the whole fabric of GCA '68 was based on the Nazi Weapons Law, even if the specific registration proposal was not so based.

Alternatively, Dodd may not have cared whether or not anyone knew that he had the German text of the Nazi Weapons Law. He doubtless knew that months would pass before the hearing record was printed and so generally available for scrutiny. Thus, even if anyone then noticed the parallels between the two laws, the bill would already have become law.

Rep. Dingell does not appear to have pursued the matter: the firearms registration provision was not included in GCA '68. The Congress was stampeded on gun control by public enthusiasm. Martin Luther King had been murdered on April 4, 1968, and Robert F. Kennedy had been murdered on June 6, 1968.

We are not the first to have seen this hearing record. But we appear to be the first to have recognized its importance. This hearing record suggests strongly that the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT) himself implanted the Nazi Weapons Law into American law, or, at very least, helped others to do so.

Now you know the ugly truth about the roots of GCA '68. But you need to see -- with your own eyes -- the hard evidence of the Nazi roots of gun control in America presented in 'Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny.'

If you want to destroy gun control, you can use this book to do it. You can demand the immediate repeal of the Nazi inspired GCA '68 and all state laws based on it.

Of Senate Judiciary Committee members serving in 1968, only Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) and Strom Thurmond (D-SC) are still in the Senate. Both are still members of the Judiciary Committee. In light of the evidence presented above, will they now help to repeal GCA '68?

Few lawmakers will try to defend the Nazis. And, if they do, you know what to do: vote them out at the next election, or sooner, if your state's laws provide for recall elections. The Nazi Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, cleared the way for World War II and Nazi genocide against the Jews, Gypsies and 7,000,000 other people. If "Never Again" is to be a reality in America, the Nazi based GCA '68 must be erased. Now.

Write to U.S. Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515, or telephone him at (202) 225-4071. Tell him that he was right to think that the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 was the blueprint for GCA '68. Ask him to hold hearings to repeal GCA '68, at once. Join JPFO -- "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization" P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI. 53207, (414) 673-9745. (Annual Dues $20.00)

Holocaust Survivor Denounces Anti-Gun movement Unlike many interviews with Holocaust survivors, this one conducted by Aaron Zelman, founder, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI 53207; 414-673-9745; membership $20) with Theodore Haas, a JPFO member and a former prisoner of the infamous Dachau concentration camp, is a clear warning to all freedom loving peoples to keep our guard up against arrogant politicians who are hell bent to create governments that control our lives. In pre-Nazi Germany, the good, law-abiding citizens dozed while government passed laws (all purported to be for the public good) that paved the way for tyranny to flourish. Haas, who survived years of Nazi persecutors, is speaking out to Americans who are now dozing while our government, at the strong urging of leftists in the media and others in society they influence, passes laws (again supposedly for the public good) to ban and severely restrict firearms ownership. Theodore Haas believes gun control is a prelude to totalitarian rule -- The editors.

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Q.) How did you end up at Dachau? How old were you?

A.) November 9th, 1938 was Kristalnacht -- The Night of Broken Glass -- The night Synagogues were ransacked and burned, Jewish owned shops destroyed; I guess you could call it the night the fires of hell engulfed the soul of humanity. I was arrested November 10th, "for my own personal security." I was 21 years old. My parents were arrested and ultimately died in a concentration camp in France. I was released from Dachau in 1941, under the condition that I leave Germany immediately. This was common procedure before the "Final Solution."

Q.) What did you think when you were sent to Dachau? What did you know about Dachau beforehand?

A.) My first thoughts were those many others: "The world has gone mad." I knew that the life expectancy at Dachau was relatively short. I knew beforehand that inmates were abused. The horror of Dachau was known throughout Germany. People (Germans) use to frighten their children, "If you do not behave, you will surely end up at Dachau." A famous German comedian, Weiss Ferdl, said "Regardless how many machine gun towers they have around K.Z. Dachau, if I want to get in, I shall get in." The Nazis obliged him; he died at Dachau.

Q.) How did you accept the fears of Dachau?

A.) Due to the constant hunger and extreme cold weather, one becomes too numb to even think of fear. A prisoner under these conditions becomes obsessed with survival; nothing else matters.

Q.) What were the living conditions like in Dachau?

A.) We were issued one quarter of a loaf of bread. That was to last three days. In the morning, we picked up, at the kitchen, a cup of roasted barley drink. There was no lunch. At dinnertime, sometimes we got a watery soup with bits of tripe or some salt herring and a boiled potato. Our prison clothes were a heavy, coarse denim. They would freeze when they got wet. We were not issued hats, gloves or underwear.

The first night, about 500 prisoners were stuffed into a room designed to hold 50 (Believe me, it is possible). Later on, we were forced to sleep on straw. As time went on, the straw disintegrated and we became louse infested. The guards delighted in making weak and ill clothed prisoners march or stand at attention in rain, snow, and ice for hours. As you can imagine, death came often due to the conditions.

Q.) Do you have residual fears? How do you feel about German re-unification?

A.) I have nightmares constantly. I recently dreamed that a guard grabbed me. My wife's arm touched my face, and I unfortunately bit her severely. German re-unification, in my opinion, will be the basis for another war. The Germans, regardless of what their present leadership says, will want their lost territories back, East Prussia, Silesia, and Danzic (Gdansk). My family history goes back over 700 years in Germany. I understand all too well what the politicians do not want the people to be thinking about.

Q.) You mentioned you were shot and stabbed several times. Were these experiments, punishment or torture?

A.) They were punishment. I very often, in a fit of temper, acted "while the brain was not in gear." The sorry results were two 9 mm bullets in my knees. Fortunately, one of the prisoners had a fingernail file and was able to dig the slugs out. In another situation, I was stabbed in the washroom of room #1, Block 16. Twice in a struggle where I nearly lost my right thumb. A German prisoner Hans Wissing, who after the war became mayor of his home town, Leinsweiler, witnessed the whole situation. We stayed in touch until a few months ago, when he died.

Q.) Do you remember some of the steps taken by the Nazis to de-humanize people and to make them feel hopeless? How were people robbed of their dignity?

A.) If you had treated an animal in Germany the way we were treated, you would have been jailed. For example, a guard or a group of them would single out a prisoner and beat him with canes or a club. Sometimes to further terrorize a prisoner, the guards would form a circle around a prisoner and beat him unconscious. There were cases of a prisoner being told to report to the Revier ("Hospital") and being forced to drink a quart of castor oil. Believe me, this is a lousy, painful, wretched way to die. You develop extreme diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, and severe dehydration. If the Nazis wanted you to live and suffer more, they would take measures to rehydrate to victim.

Q.) What was the routine like at Dachau?

A.) Three times a day, we were counted. We had to carry the dead to the square. Each time, we had to stand at attention in all kinds of weather. We stood wearing next to nothing, had weak bladders, while our tormentors had sheepskin coats and felt boots. The bastards really enjoyed watching us suffer. I remember how the guards had a good laugh when one of them "accidentally" let loose with a machine gun, killing about 30 prisoners.

Q.) What did people do to try to adjust to Dachau? Keep up their spirits up?

A.) There were some actors, comedians, and musicians among us. Sometimes they would clandestinely perform. One of the musicians got hold of a violin and played for us. To this day, it remains a mystery how he got his hands on a violin. I still keep in touch with other prisoners. I am a member of the Dachau Prisoners Association. Each year I go back to Germany to visit.

Q.) Did people ever successfully escape? Do you remember acts of bravery?

A.) Nobody escaped, only in the movies does the "hero" escape. Guards received extra leave time for killing prisoners that got too close to the fence. I do, however, think all prisoners were heroes in their own way. Especially the German prisoners, for they would not acquiesce to the Nazis. They suffered greatly too.

Q.) Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, "If only we were armed before, we would not be here now"?

A.) Many, many times. Before Adolph Hitler came to power, there was a black market in firearms, but the German people had been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had better start asking and demanding answers to some hard questions about firearms ownership, especially if the government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can the people be expected to trust the government?

There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people were not "brainwashed" about gun ownership and had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.

Q.) Did you have any contacts with the White Rose Society (mostly German students against Hitler)? Did anyone try to hide you from the Nazis?

A.) I did not, but my local friend, Richard Scholl, had two cousins or nephews who were members. Both were executed in Munich (I believe) for standing up for decency and freedom. Not enough people knew about the White Rose Society. There were many non Jews who were not anti Semitic and were very much opposed to Hitler. It was impossible to hide people from the Nazis in Germany -- it is so densely populated and food was rationed. Another point that many people fail to understand is that in Germany, you had a situation where the children were reporting to their teachers if their parents listened to the BBC on the short wave radio, or what they were talking about at home. If a German was friendly to a Jew, he was warned once. If he failed to heed the warning, he would disappear and never be heard from again. This was known as "Operation Night and Fog."

Q.) Do you think American society has enough stability that Jews and other minorities are safe from severe persecution?

A.) No. I think there is more anti-Semitism in America (some of it caused by leftist Jewish politicians and organizations who promote gun control schemes) than there was in Germany. This may stun some people, but not all Germans hated Jews. My best and devoted friends in Germany were Christians. I perceive America as a very unstable society, due to social tinkering of the Kennedy/Metzenbaum-type politicians. When I first came to this wonderful country after World War II, America was vibrant, dynamic and promising society. There really was an American dream, attainable by those who wanted to work. Now, due to the curse of Liberalism, America is in a period of moral decline. Even worse, corrupt criminals hold high political office, and you have police officials who don't give a damn about the Bill of Rights. They just want to control people, not protect and serve. When you study history, you see that when a country becomes an immoral manure heap, as America is rapidly becoming, all minorities suffer, and ultimately, all the citizens.

Q.) What words of warning would you like to give to young people who will soon be eligible to vote?

A.) Vote only for politicians who trust the people to own all types of firearms, and who have a strong pro-Second Amendment voting record. Anti-gunownership politicians are very dangerous to a free society. Liberty and freedom can only be preserved by an armed citizenry. I see creeping fascism in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time; a law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the public. Soon you have total enslavement. Too many Americans have forgotten that tyranny often masquerades as doing good. This is the technique the Liberal politicians/Liberal media alliance are using to enslave America.

Q.) What message do you have for ultra-Liberal organizations and individuals who want America disarmed?

A.) Their ignorance is pitiful -- their lives have been too easy. Had they experienced Dachau, they would have a better idea of how precious freedom is. These leftist should leave America. These Sarah Brady types must be educated to under-stand that because we have an armed citizenry, that a dictatorship has not yet happened in America. These anti-gun fools are more dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.

Q.) Some concentration camp survivors are opposed to gun ownership. What message would you like to share with them?

A.) I would like to say, "You cowards; you gun haters, you don't deserve to live in America. Go live in the Soviet Union, if you love gun control so d--- much." It was the stupidity of these naive fools that aided and abetted Hitler's goons and thugs. Anti-gunownership Holocaust survivors insult the memories of all those that needlessly perished for lack of being able to adequately defend themselves.

Q.) It appears the Liberal left in America is tolerating, and sometimes espousing anti-Semitism. Why do you think so many Jews still support the leftist form of Liberalism?

A.) It is for this very reason that I firmly believe that we harbor more stupid and naive people in our midst, than any other group of people. It amazes me how Liberal Jews have such short memories that today, they would be so supportive and involved in setting up the mechanics of gun control, so that a Holocaust can happen again. All they're doing is playing into the hands of the very clever communists who are masters at conning Americans.

Q.) Why did you join JPFO?

A.) I feel every Jew should be armed to the teeth, as should every American. I joined JPFO because as a group, we can stand up up Liberal Jewish gun haters and also to Gestapo minded anti-gun police who want total control of the people. I wish JPFO was in existence years ago. I believe the Jewish involvement in gun control would not be anywhere close to what it is today, but better now than never.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 28, 1999

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Look at the eagle on the new 100's and 50's and 20's It is the same national eagle the Nazis used. Dont think it cant happen here,It already is. The federal reserve and it's U.N. and rich Swiss nazi's counterparts are in a power play for take over of the World. Y2k was allowed because it will serve their cause. Take a lesson from above we are seening the greatest mistakes of the 2o th century being repeated for our generation.Be on Guard. Y2k aware mike a Jew in Christ. My relatives suffered Because of the nazis. They are back.

-- y2k aware nike (y2k aware mike @ conservation . com), June 28, 1999.

Nothing personal guys, but why don't you take this shit somewhere that's more appropriate.

-- (rick@takeitelsewhere.com), June 28, 1999.

Rick, If there are civil disturbances due to y2k gun control could be a very serious issue,sorry that gets your panties in a bundle,facist.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 28, 1999.

I'm concerned about gun control too. That's not what bothers me about this. This article goes way beyond gun control and moves into areas that have nothing to do with this BBS or Y2K.

-- (rick@takeitelsewhere.com), June 28, 1999.

I think some people forget that, along with the bad guys *everywhere* there are good guys as well. Even the "evil people in washington" go "over the hills and through the woods, to grandmother's house we go" on holiday breaks.

-- BiGG (supersite@acronet.net), June 28, 1999.

Nothing personal guys, but why don't you take this shit somewhere that's more appropriate.

-- (rick@takeitelsewhere.com) Rick, Feel sorry for you. Calling this stuff "shit" and "not appropriate". I can't think of a more appropriate post for the times.

Greenthumb G.I.

-- Greenthumb G.I. (greenthumb@I.g.i), June 28, 1999.

This stuff may be somewhat OT but it is NOT shit. If TSHTF because of Y2K you can _expect_ the federal govt. to try and expand it's power in the interests of 'public safety'. Gun confiscation will be high on that list.

I may have mentioned this up here before but I used to be anti-gun. Truly anti-gun. Then I saw the black and white movie Fail-Safe and it forever changed my opinion about gun ownership. It wasnt the films subject (an accidental nuclear war caused by our blind trust in technology!) that brought about this change, it was a single line from a character played by a young Walter Matthau:

"How far do you think the Nazis would have gotten if every Jew whos door they knocked on had met them with a gun in his hand?"

Well, that did it for me. The idea that, home by home, Jews could have fought and stopped the Nazis if only they had been armed was too compelling to ignore. Of course Jews in Nazi Germany werent armed. They werent allowed to be. The first thing the Nazis did when they took power was register all guns. The second thing the Nazis did was confiscate all those registered guns.

So, Y2K or no, I will NOT be giving up my guns no matter what the excuse is.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), June 28, 1999.

Greenthumb Please don't feel sorry for me. You know nothing about me. You have all totally misunderstood my point. This is WAY OT and I just felt compelled to say so. This site is turning into a freak show. We all need to re-read the purpose of this board. And for the record-I am not anti gun or anti Jew or anti freedom of speech. In fact, I'm looking into buying my first gun - something I didn't think I would ever do. However, I still think the article is a bunch of shit written by a paranoid freak with too much time on his hands. Flame Away. I'm done with this thread.

-- (rick@takeitelsewhere.com), June 28, 1999.

Rick, dude, have you not studied your history?

"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."

The nazi's would have been stopped cold if the Jews would have been armed. The nazi's would not have gotten to power if the Jews would have been armed.

Gun control is the ability to hit your target, repeatedly.

If you are thinking about a gun purchase, make sure you do the safety classes also. Lurking on this and other sites, if TSHTF, a lot of innocent people will die of stupid mistakes with unfamiliar weapons.

I cannot stress this enough:

ENROLL IN A GUN SAFETY COURSE IF YOU ARE EVEN THINKING OF A GUN PURCHASE.

I think this topic is very on-topic. Personal defense is a priority, with or without Y2K.

Got safety classes???

gettin' a drink...

The Dog

-- Dog (Desert Dog@-sand.com), June 28, 1999.

I wonder if Rick considers the jew from Dachau to be the paranoid freak,the jews for the preservation of firearms owenership,or me.I believe,I'm the only one who qualifys.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 28, 1999.

March 4, 1998, the Third District Court of Appeals in California overturns crucial sections of the State of California's ban on so- called assault weapons. Although the Court rules against the ban on the basis of the vague language of the law, the Court also says:

"Early gun control laws were directed at oppressed peoples, such as slaves and freedmen, and the politically powerless, such as immigrants and religious minorities. [lenghty citations snipped] California followed this pattern shortly after statehood by criminalizing the gift or sale of any gun to 'any Indian.' [lenghty citations snipped] Such laws presume the proscribed class is likely to engage in crime." [lenghty citations snipped]

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Observation: Gun control began as an unjust, immoral and blatant denial of the Constitutional rights of minorities.

Analysis: The rationale behind today's gun control laws is that any person who wants to own a gun is a member of a class more likely to engage in crime than other classes of people.

Fact: What starts as a racist attack on one group of people ends up as government oppression of all peoples.

Case in point: The denial of the Jews' rights in Germany ended up with the loss of all rights for all Germans.

Liberty Alert: When the owner of a so-called assault weapon is denied his/her rights, your rights are in danger

-- mcook (mcook@aol.com), June 28, 1999.

Lest we forget... along with the six million UNARMED Jews butchered by Hitler:

20 million UNARMED Russians butchered by Stalin

20 million UNARMED Chinese butchered by Chairman Mao

1.2 million UNARMED Cambodians butchered by Pol Pot

1 million UNARMED Armenians butcherd by the Ottoman Turks

The ongoing slaughter of Kurds by both Turkey and Iraq

And the most recent poster people: Tens of thousand of UNARMED Kosovar Albenians forced from their homes, women raped, thousands killed...

And tyranny will happen here at home IF WE ALLOW IT.

-- Redcoatsarecoming (Minuteman@Concord.com), June 28, 1999.

In a time of crisis, the "middle class" will do ANYTHING "the man on horseback" demands, esp. if he demands it as a purely "temporary" measure. And in acquiescing, they will lose their souls..forever. the Great Lies of the Twentieth Century; "Give me total power for only one year and I will restore freedom to the peoples and workers";"Your check is in the mail"; "My wife doesn't understand me"; "My homework is done"; and a personal favorite,"The Army Reserve is one weekend a month and two weeks a year." (Guardsmen and members of the other services, I include you too!). Above all the very controversies this forum creates is a hopeful sign...we are are NOT dead yet!

-- Mr. Mike (mikeabn@aol.com), June 28, 1999.

Hmmm....trying to figure out why anyone would think this is OT. Define the Y2K purpose/reason for the existence of this forum please. If Y2K is "just" about computer-techno-debate-drivel, then most of us would be long gone from this forum. The only reason the computer illiterates among us wade through all that is to continue weighing the potential risk, increase awareness and our odds of surviving and thriving. Now...if you step past the geek jargon, we are all concerned with scenarios ranging from disruptions to displacement to death. We are searching for the truth. Who is telling the truth? Which mortal can definitively tell us that they know exactly how this will all come down? If he/she says they "know" one way or the other, then their credibility diminishes. I understand this forum to be an exchange and sharing of ideas and information that help us sift and weigh and prepare. Is information on solar flares OT? What if someone knew of a probable biological warefare attack? Do you say, I don't want to hear that paranoid crap, this is about Y2...gurgle,... gasp....writhe........exxxxppiiiirrrreee. I am a strong believer in the necessity and wisdom of learning by studying history. Only a foolish person wants to learn everything the hard way. My father lifted all curfews, rules and restrictions when I turned fifteen. He simply said, "If you haven't learned right from wrong by now, you probably never will. I only ask that you try not to make a mistake that you have to live with". (It worked.) That is what any sensible person is trying to do regarding Y2K/solar flares/martial law etc. We are trying not to make a mistake that we have to live with or die from. America is not immune to historical patterns, neither is she invulnerable to decay, corruption and collapse as a civilization. Study history. It is not about the Right or the Left, but as someone recently pointed out, it is about Government Control or Freedom. If Government Control manages to bring about Gun Control and disarm our citizens, then we will be slaves indeed.

-- Mumsie (Lotsakids@home.com), June 29, 1999.

Rick,

The California Assembly, (Nazis) just made it illegal to own an SKS which is equiped with a twenty round detachable magazine. I wrote and told them via Bill Lokyer, California Attorney General, that..."This sounds a lot like Adolph the Hitler."

I mentioned this also to Californias Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen Barbara Boxer and Congressman Tom Lantos, San Mateo, all are Jews and all are anti gun. Go figger that one. Actually in my attempt to drive the idea into their minds I suggested that we confiscate all guns from the Jewish People first then go onto other racial groups and then leave only the "superiors" with weapons. Maybe they will see the point. Doubt it though.

If Y2K hits hard we will need these tools to survive, and defend ourselves.

-- freeman (freeman@cali.com), June 29, 1999.

freeman,

::I mentioned this also to Californias Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen Barbara Boxer and Congressman Tom Lantos, San Mateo, all are Jews and all are anti gun.

There's an old joke that's not really a joke:

Two Jewish men were pulled from their homes in the middle of the night during a pogrom. They were placed against a wall to be shot, when one of them says to the gunmen "Wait! Don't you know your going to kill two innocent men?" The other Jew elbows the first in the ribs and says to him "Shhh...you want to cause trouble?"

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), June 29, 1999.

If my "assault rifle" makes me a criminal

And my encryption program makes me a terrorist

Does Dianne Feinstein's vagina make her a prostitute?

-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), June 29, 1999.

I personally am very glad for this post. It is quite relevant to survival, which is what we are discussing here. And with recent legislation taking more guns from more people, and the ultimate goal of taking all guns from all people (except the criminals, who won't give them up!)this relates very directly to possible perils at Y2K. Did any of you ever read the true story of the Warsaw Ghetto? It is so compelling that it has never left me. Those Jews knew that their predecessors that were taken to "relocation" camps had been gassed, and they vowed to not die without fighting for their lives. I recall crying nearly all the way through the book, but coming away with such a great admiration of their courage and their moral victory that it lights my way today. I was an American child during that war, and watched every gruesome newsreel of those camps when they were liberated...too late for millions of victims. If I had been a Jew then, I would rather have died in the Warsaw ghetto than in a death camp. This subject gets too close for comfort, with current events.

-- Woman Defender (Prepared@aol.com), June 30, 1999.