TO ALL OIL REFINERY WORKERS: TELL US HOW Y2K WILL AFFECT YOUR PLANT

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This thread is similar to the one just posted for Oil Field workers.

FOR FOLKS WORKING IN OIL REFINERIES...Please tell us your first hand experiences involving Y2K remediation efforts at your refinery.

We would like to know how the Y2K projects are coming along. Is your refinery finished with Y2K repairs? Has your refinery been tested by independent organizations certifying your plant is Y2K compliant? If your plant is not yet finished, can you tell us when it might be finished? Please feel free to tell us any problems involved in Y2K repairs and testing. IF, your plant is not going to be Y2K compliant by Jan 1, are there any contingency plans being drawn up. What kind of safety problems are you expecting if failures should occur. Are you in a non-freezing area in the winter time? If not, what would happen to your oil lines in the event of loss of electricity from your local power company? Do you have back up power generation for keeping those lines warm? What, if any problems do you foresee for your plant in January? Do you see any attempts to not fix all the problems? We want to hear your good and bad reports so we may get a better idea of how the industry is coming along.

To those not working in the oil refining business. Please refrain from posting...so that those with actual first-hand working experience may post contigously without our layman posts interfering. We can start a separate thread for opinions and commentary... but in doing so we might want to wait a few days till the thread has become fuller and we can perhaps get a better flow of the data. Thanks for your cooperation. Perhaps the only interruptions should be for questions posed for clarification and not for debate.

Thanks to those of you oil refinery workers refinery remediation specialists who post here.

-- R.C. (racambab@mailcity.com), June 29, 1999

Answers

There is an article at (http://www.gold-eagle.com/) in the "Hot News" box that describes the present scenario much more eloquently in detail than I ever could. The insight that you seek can be found in that essay and is titled "The Real Y2K Problem". My advice is to invest at least a thousand dollars of your savings into silver dollars; and no I have no allegience to that sight. I bought mine from C.C.Silver.com

-- Grady Bennett (bennett1@peachnet.campuscwix.net), June 29, 1999.

"We want to hear your good and bad reports so we may get a better idea of how the industry is coming along.

Nonsense! If you have good news, you will be pilloried as a stooge of Clinton, a liar and a damn Polly stopping people from preparing - their blood will be on your hands.

If you have bad or negative reports, they will be welcomed with sage nods of understanding and trembled gasps of admiration from the Engineers of Fear. Good luck!

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 29, 1999.


Or worse yet,

Get your balls cut off by Diane!

-- anti-chainsaw (Tree@hugger.com), June 29, 1999.


Y2K Pro, anti-chainsaw.. as you saw on the thread "Why the power grid will fail" it is obvious that when a troll posts we can weed them out pretty fast. That guy was spewing off about how bad things are going to be but did we believe it? No, some quick thinking people realized the terms "worried" was using were fake.

(Oh, and by the way anti-chainsaw is Super Polly...I've noticed a few referenced to Diane and sexuality from SP's posts and this anti-chainsaw person is doing much the same so I'm concluding that they are one and the same)

-- Gary North is and idiot but I ain't Gary North (pollys@can go back to. Der Bunker), June 29, 1999.


as you saw on the thread "Why the power grid will fail" it is obvious that when a troll posts we can weed them out pretty fast. That guy was spewing off about how bad things are going to be but did we believe it? No, some quick thinking people realized the terms "worried" was using were fake

unless of course you're talking about non-thinking extremists like Will continue, who blindly and vociferiously believe and defend anything that backs up the position she has taken. Isn't a mind a terrible thing to waste?

If you thought your company had you scared....just wait until a few of these people here pick you apart like a Thanksgiving turkey. Stick around for Q and A. You're going to need to provide more detailed info. This is too lacking and general to be considered genuine info. What size underwear do you have on? Good intentions just aren't good enough around here, mister. Honesty isn't either.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), June 29, 1999

-- bob (bob@bob.bob), June 29, 1999.



"You're going to need to provide more detailed info. This is too lacking and general to be considered genuine info. What size underwear do you have on? Good intentions just aren't good enough around here, mister. Honesty isn't either."

"This is too lacking and general to be considered genuine..." Yeah exactly what I was saying.

"bob", if your going to make an argument that you need to quote something that goes in opposition to what I'm saying.

-- (pollys@go.home), June 29, 1999.


The American Petroleum Institute has been providing information for folks for quite some time. Is this information simply not trusted?

Here are a few links:

link 1

link 2

link 3

link 4

Anita

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), June 29, 1999.


I hope this link to an article from Wired about Texaco gets the discussion here back on track...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.04/texaco_pr.html

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), June 29, 1999.


ummm...in case you didn't notice, that post by Will continue was DRENCHED in sarcasm. Go back to the thread.... after the original post was discredited, Will was STILL convinced it was real....

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), June 29, 1999.

Forgive me for nitpicking but I thought the idea was to be "Y2K Compliant" , not "Y2K Ready". Heck, anything that is going to be around for New Years is y2k ready.

-- (tedjenings@business.net), June 29, 1999.


I think the terminology "ready" has to do with the fact that virtually no one will have ALL of their systems fixed prior to rollover. I belive that "ready" has become the phrase indicating that they believe that their mission critical systems have been fixed.

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), June 29, 1999.

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,38458,00.html

[snip]

Oil, gas industries still working on Y2K issues
By Erich Luening
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 28, 1999, 12:10 p.m. PT

With the end of the year rapidly approaching, the White House Y2K czar today said work remains to be done within the oil and gas industries to meet set target dates for Year 2000 readiness.

John Koskinen, chairman of the The President's Council on Year 2000 Conversion, during a press conference today said a recent government survey shows that oil and gas companies are making progress in their efforts to prepare for the date change, but some companies are still behind in their Y2K compliance efforts and don't expect that work to be complete until sometime in the fourth quarter.

"Businesses and government agencies that are projecting system completion dates late this year have limited flexibility for unexpected delays," Koskinen said in a prepared statement.

Therefore, he urged oil and gas companies to continue their efforts to remediate and test their computer systems, work with companies in their supply chain, and complete contingency plans, so as to prevent slippage in system completion schedules this fall.

The survey conducted by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission includes information from companies that account for 93 percent of all the oil and gas consumed in the United States, according to Koskinen.

The assessment, conducted in May and June of this year, also shows that interstate gas pipeline companies, which deliver gas to utilities, power generators and industrial plants throughout the country.

Contributing gas companies said they will complete work on mission- critical systems to accommodate any Year 2000 concerns by the end of September. And pipeline firms claim they will have Y2K contingency plans in place by July 1 and tested by the end of September.

He said he was pleased to see the decrease in the number of companies reporting the lack of Y2K information from the telecom and electric power sectors as a major challenge. "Preparing for the date change requires continued information sharing across industry lines," he said.

The industry survey was the third assessment of Y2K readiness within the oil and gas industry. Another is due by the next quarter.

[snip] ----------------------------------------------------------------------

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), June 29, 1999.


Allright people. I guess we can't leave you alone for even a minute.

The only one who has posted on this thread that has a right to post is

Mr. Bennett. NONE OF THE REST OF YOU ARE OIL REFINERY WORKERS

ARE YOU?????????????????????????? SO WHY HAVE YOU POSTED?

THIS PARTICULAR THREAD WAS FOR OIL REFINERY WORKERS TO HAVE

A SEPARATE UNINTERRUPTED THREAD TO TELL US WHAT THEY ARE SEEING IN

THEIR OWN PLANT.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR THE REST OF US TO JUMP IN ON. THIS IS

SOLELY DESIGNED FOR THESE WORKERS TO POST POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE OR

MIXED REVIEWS OF WHAT THEY ARE SEEING FIRST HAND AND OR PREPARATIONS

FOR Y2K AT WORK.

IF YOU WANT TO POST ON THESE FELLOWS COMMENTS... START A SEPARATE THREAD FOR COMMENTARY.... BUT LEAVE THIS OPEN FOR ALL OF US TO MORE EASILY READ THE ACTUAL REPORTS. THIS WORKS OUT BETTER FOR ALL OF US... that way we don't have scroll down thru all the garbage to reach the intended material and the point of the thread.

NOW IS THIS TOO HARD FOR TROLLS AND POLLYS TO UNDERSTAND???????????? HMMMM?????????????

Hopefully we can all learn something.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

-- R.C. (racambab@mailcity.com), June 29, 1999.


GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL R.C. - NO ONE FROM A REFINERY IS GOING

TO POST HERE. AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS A RIGHT TO POST WHAT THEY WANT.

IS THAT TOO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

THANK YOU

-- sheesh (lighten@up.ok), June 29, 1999.


Gee, R.C. You're sure sensitive.

It was my feeling that the American Petroleum Institute has information from ALL personnel responding to them on the subject of Y2k. These are the very same people that report to the Senate Committee on the readiness of the industry (from the reports of people working in the field.) These are the very same people who provided the report on June 25th to the Senate, and the very same people of whom Linkmeister reported the progress to date (somewhat snipped) from the links I provided. You prefer anomymous reports to summaries of reports from the entire field?

Anita

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), June 29, 1999.



SHEESH!!! At least my SLIDE RULE is Y2K compliant!!!



-- K.Stevens (kstevens@It's ALL going away in January.com), June 29, 1999.


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