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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."

Winston Churchill

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), July 05, 1999

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As a Star Wars Fan since 1977, and a non-denominational orthodox Christian, I can tell you that this article is a MAJOR STRETCH.

I dislike the course this nation and the world are on, I hate Globalism, the NWO and the flight to Fascism that America is on. But to suggest that Star Wars is New Age Mysticism disguised as some kind of hypnotic device used by Lucas and Gorbachev to further the NWO agenda is ludicrous at best. To even draw comparison and analogy is absurd.

Star Wars is a fantasy borrowed from all kinds of myths and legends put into a cosmic serial context. It's a basic story of good and evil borrowing from all kinds of sources including scripture, New Ageism and Mysticism and Buddism and other belief systems that borrowed from scripture or evolved down through pagan thought. Star Wars is admittedly by Lucas himself, not original - but a modern tale of mythology. No different than the lessons learned by reading about Jonah or Jericho.

It isn't evil either. In fact Star Wars is a great lesson in how angels of light can be really dark demons seeking to corrupt and destroy entire civillizations. It can teach how easy it is for a society to believe in infalliblity, to put trust in institutions and man- instead of divine. It shows the struggle and hardship to stay focused in your Spiritual walk, and not to give into the emotions of hate, anger and division that are of the Dark Side...in Star Wars lexicon, or the Bible's. It shows that even deceived and corrupted men can be redeemed, and that the power of Spirit and Faith can overcome the weakness of technology. Spiritual analogies can be made just as easily as sinister, NWO analogies can be made. If anything Star Wars is a great analogy to the dangers of Empiracal rule by one that deceives everyone into thinking he has their best interests at heart, and uses the very swords of ensuring freedom (the Jedi) to annihilate all opposition to his thought process. In fact, I can find more reason to relate the Empire of Star Wars to the Beast in Revelation than I can Lucas using the saga to teach a new religion to millions of kids.

I think these guys need to take a deep breath and realize that Lucas has no thought of world domination, any more than he intentionally put deep meaning into the Star Wars Saga.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 05, 1999.

INVAR, then stretch yourself. Hotels across the country advertising themselves as 'environmentally friendly' or 'green' are doing the exact same thing. Getting you used to 'assisting them' in reducing 'our' great burden on the environment, except the only thing that is affected is their bottom line, to their benefit that is. The environment be screwed, and the hotel patrons, too.

Lucas may not have started out with inculcation in mind, but he has now crossed the barrier. This statement says it all: Lucasfilm and Lucas Learning Ltd. will share this prize piece of San Francisco real estate with the Gorbachev Foundation, the Thoreau Center for Sustainability, FEMA, the United Religions Initiative (URI), the United Nations Resource Center, and a host of other environmental, spiritual, educational, and governmental organizations.1 Together they share a common crusade: to build a unified, earth-friendly global civilization based on "new" universal beliefs and values.

Don't tell me the guy is ignorant about who he has fallen into bed with. Get real.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), July 05, 1999.

Really, what kooks.

I say that the best thing to do is to polute as much as you possibly can. Pour your used motor oil right into the lake. Cut down every last stinkin Redwood, burn the rain forest to the ground, bury toxic waste anywhere you damn well please. Screw it, the environmentalists are full of crap. Keep on keepin on, burn, rape and pillage, that's my motto. You're going to die anyhow, right? Live it up while your here.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

Looks as though Unc took a double-dose of sarcasm pills tonight - as did I. Or is the New moon messing with our osmotic cellular processes?

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), July 06, 1999.

Yup, that I did.

Right on schedule, here's sarcasm dose #2:

What Star Wars is really all about is getting white male losers who have never been laid to spend all of their money on movie related products, and to get them to invest all kinds of emotional energy into analyzing, dissecting to death, and drawing real life parallels and lessons from a frickin MOVIE, and then filling their sad empty lives with it.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Also see this article:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/3251/lucas.html

It says George Lucas was influenced by Joseph Campbell, the man who wrote "The Power of Myth" and who had a six-part series on PBS with Bill Moyers.

I like Star Wars...

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 06, 1999.

Unc D,

Hey man, I have a free couch. No waiting.

Got therapy?

-- sigmund (didyouhate@yourmother.com), July 06, 1999.

the NWO started in garden-of-eden. it,s a.k.a. as SELL YOUR SOUL. ''there,s nothing new under the sun'' same DEVIL, new outfit.

-- n.w.o>is old. (dogs@zianet.com), July 06, 1999.

Ummmm...WRONG again Unc.

>>>>>What Star Wars is really all about is getting white male losers who have never been laid to spend all of their money on movie related products, and to get them to invest all kinds of emotional energy into analyzing, dissecting to death, and drawing real life parallels and lessons from a frickin MOVIE, and then filling their sad empty lives with it.<<<

What a bitter old fart you must be.

I Met hundreds and hundreds of folks with kids and wives all standing in line to see the new movie. Not a sad face in sight. Met many folks over the last 22 years standing in line for the original trilogy that are multi- millionaires...whos careers were inspired by Star Wars. Many Art Directors and artists I've worked with in advertising got into art and design BECAUSE of Star Wars.

My kids love the saga. Have the entire toy collection that I've collected since I was a kid. Now my kids have a collection. We share the fun of Star Wars as a family. Hell, even my wife dressed-up for the premiere of the new movie last May.

Empty, sad lives? Hardly.

Bitching about it says alot about you though. You must be a Trekkie.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 06, 1999.

Ahh, Invar the silve-tongued, non-denominational, orthodox Christian returns. He spreads his views to the lowly, unwashed, underclass who don't appreciate the last extravaganza that George Lucas has marketed to the Star Suckers. Mom, the kids, the grandkids, Uncle Bob, Grandpa and white male losers all stand in line to grin for Lucas and the Jedi. Now isn't that sweet?

But wait!! First Invar has to spread his message of love. Second sentence out of his mouth, "I hate Globalism, the NWO and the flight to facism that America is on." But he loves Star Wars, the angel of light and his toys.

But wait again!! When Uncle D, mentioned "white, male losers," (amen brother D) the sensitive, Christian to the core Invar, calls Uncle D. a "bitter old fart!" Now isn't that just too Christian.

Sorry Invar, but you've been blown out of the out house by the Eco-Retard, OR, who drinks dioxin for breakfast, pees pure acid, hates trees, doesn't breathe air--can only live on caron monoxide fumes, and has no use for the enviornmental, the spiritual, or the educational part of life. And if I can stretch your imagination farther, he is also sure that George Lucas is in bed with Gorby in order to further the NWO. Even Invar isn't that crazy. Get a grip man.

And finally Invar, angry that his toys have been insulted, bellows out the worst possible insult to Uncle D; he calls him a Trekkie. No!! By the way, those who know Uncle D, also know that he has more sense than Invar has in all three of his heads or Orwellian, in his toxic, sludge soaked brain.

I saw Star Wars in l977, thought it was cute, but with great will power, I was able to recover enough to not get drawn into collecting useless junk. I didn't even fall for the Star Wars Big Mac toy. Maybe I've lost touch with my inner child. *sniff* But Invar has bought right into the Global, consumer oriented idea of marking every blockbuster movie into a big money marketing tool for the corporate world. The NWO can now market the entire toy collection around the world. Move over Precious Moments and Furbies, Here Comes Star Wars!

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 06, 1999.

Yup, ya got me there INVAR.

You should see the size of my Tribble collection! Tricorders and Phasers and Spock ears all over the place! Boyoboy, and how the Mrs. bitches when she has to try to vacuum around the piles of it! Yumpin yimminy!

PS, I enjoyed Star Wars very much too, but maybe not THAT much. And I am not an overly bitter person, I was just sending a very subtle shot your way.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Subtle shot Unc? You hit me amidships with that one!

And BTW, vacuuming Tribble fur is nowhere as messy as wiping up Jabba The Hutt slime from a shag carpet!

Got Space 1999?

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 06, 1999.

Perhaps you should refrain from using J. Hutt slime jelly when shagging on your carpet, though it seems very industrious of you to have a rug dedicated to just that one purpose. Maybe a plastic drop cloth would help.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Perhaps you should refrain from using J. Hutt slime jelly when shagging on your carpet, though it seems very industrious of you to have a rug dedicated to just that one purpose. Maybe a plastic drop cloth would help?

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Nope, nuttin ever goes wrong with computers.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.