www.y2kcoming.com - Press release - National guard and foreign troops training for dissenters and beggers - Army has plans to use a FEDERALIZED Guard?

-- Franklin Frith (franklin@y2kcoming.com), July 09, 1999

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Whistleblower-consultant under fire

Michigan distances itself

from Y2K policy critic

By David M. Bresnahan

) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A Y2K consultant to municipal government agencies in the state of Michigan is now under fire for his charges that plans are being made for mass evacuations and use of the military as a police force.

Franklin Frith has been hired to present Y2K workshops to elected officials and government agencies throughout Michigan. He began last October and is still conducting meetings where he speaks with officials for the state of Michigan and uses state produced handouts.

When WorldNetDaily published a report yesterday about the claims being made by Frith, a state official called to complain.

"He is not working for the state of Michigan, I can tell you that because I am here in the Year 2000 office and that is represented incorrectly in your article," said Kelly Chesney, public information officer for the Office of Management and Budget, responsible for Michigan's Y2K preparations.

Indeed, Frith is not a consultant to the state of Michigan. He is actually a consultant to the various municipal governments of Michigan. They pay him for the workshops. He is not paid by the state, even though he uses state-produced materials and works with state employees to conduct the workshops.

"We do not agree with his philosophy. It's totally contradictory to what we are proposing here at the state," said Chesney. "I'm not exactly sure what Mr. Frith has given you or showed you, but it's not accurate. I know that he feels very passionately about his viewpoint."

Frith said most of the government people he has worked with have not taken the time to read the vast amount of information produced by federal agencies on the pending Y2K crisis. He said that he believes they are making judgments without examining the evidence that he has found. They have also not invited him to explain how and why he has arrived at his conclusions.

"Some of those people are very nice people, and I have no bones to pick with them," said Frith. "But what has happened is people are so busy doing their jobs, they really aren't privy to what the real plans are. Are they bad people? Not necessarily. Most of the people I have run into there are very nice, but they're misinformed and they're misguided."

Frith provided WorldNetDaily with copies of actual federal government documents to support his claims that plans are being made to have FEMA take charge of local government agencies when they inevitably fail to handle Y2K related emergencies. He claims improper planning, as well as failure to prepare by many local governments, will lead to failures which are expected by the federal government.

He also provided documents to show that FEMA is planning for emergency evacuations and the use of the military for domestic police actions.

"I never speak my own mind," said Frith. "I show their documents. When I say "their" I'm referring to NERC, the President's Council, FEMA, various utility associations. I never use my own opinions because my opinion doesn't mean anything to strangers. This is factual information. This is for real."

Frith has worked side by side at workshops with Jerry Williams, one of the authors of the "Year 2000 Toolkit for Michigan Local Governments and School Districts." The toolkit is used by those who attend the workshops Frith conducts.

Frith says the vast majority of people who attend the workshops and have the 3,000 toolkits distributed since November have done little or nothing to prepare.

As proof that communities are taking action, Williams says recipients have faxed back an assessment form from the toolkit. All the forms that have come back were positive in nature, but the number that have come back is very small compared to the number of people who received them. Williams would not be specific as to the exact numbers.

Asked about the claims made by Frith that the federal government should be doing more to inform local governments of their actual plans, Williams said, "No comment."

Chesney told WorldNetDaily that she has not read the documents cited by Frith, nor does she know what all his claims are.

"I cannot comment on his statements," she said. "I can only tell you that he is not employed and we do not have a contract with him and we do not advocate what he's advocating. I think some of the stuff he is advocating is a little problematic from our standpoint, obviously.

"It just alarms me when I think about some of this -- ugh," she said in frustration. "It perpetuates some of the information that we're combatting daily."

Lt. Tom Mattioli of the Michigan State Police also participated in a workshop with Frith.

"We have a family preparedness program for the state of Michigan for families to be prepared in any disaster, and that's basically the same as Y2K," Mattioli explained. "We're suggesting that families take the same precautions for maybe three to five days without essential services.

"It may take that long before emergency services could get to a particular home and get you to a shelter," Mattioli told WorldNetDaily.

Frith says the fact that government agencies are telling people to store only three to five days of food and water is a plan for failure. He claims they know that more should be stored but are not telling anyone. The fact that plans are being made to move people to shelters is evidence that the public should be given an oportunity to prepare so they can remain in their own homes, he added.

Chesney claims the agencies of the state of Michigan are 94 percent compliant right now, which means they should be well prepared for a major Y2K exercise Sept. 9, 1999 in at least 15 of the state's counties.

Frith says that particular date is listed by FEMA as a major concern for possible computer failures in many critical systems. He said it is not a coincidence that many government organizations and utilities nationwide are conducting readiness drills on that date. He says they expect problems that day and are not warning the public.

The date 9/9/99 was used by programmers in years past as a code to shut down computer programs. The problem is so pervasive that FEMA has listed the date as a day of great concern.

Another Michigan State Police officer contacted WorldNetDaily to express concerns about Y2K preparations. He says that members of his emergency management team were told in one of their planning meetings that the Y2K economic consequences alone "will last up to five years." He said the officers were told to plan for total chaos.

"You could hear a pin drop in that room," he said. "The point is this, the State Police are preparing for much more than they are letting people know."

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-- (not@right.now), July 09, 1999.

Okay you spineless spreaders of FUD,

What's the point?

IF this is going to happen (which I would bet big dollars against)....

IF it does happen, just exactly what the hell do you propose to DO about it? HUH? Any good ideas about how we should react to this development? Or are you just trying to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, with no remedy in sight. (Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.)

It's easy to shout 'wolf'. Especially if you don't have a plan regarding dealing with the wolf. (Especially when you know the wolf isn't coming to begin with.)

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), July 09, 1999.

There are many valid reasons why one would want to know what government agencies / divisions, large utilities and large corporations are doing to prepare for Y2K. The first and foremost reason would be to recognize that contingency plans are being made and that the elected or non-elected officials are taking their responsibility seriously. The second reason for a "need to know" of such activities would be for an "indicator". Since people have been told to prepare for a "winter storm" and the government is preparing for much more - should be enough to wake people up. However, sadly to say it does not seem to be enough.

We must remember that Maureen Lichtske, Executive Officer of the National Guard Br. stated in January 1999 article that "a community that is informed and prepared is the best way of eliminating panic."

This is why it is so important to do our homework, search out the facts and diligently seek the truth.

As for the validity of the information that I posted regarding the guard and foreign troops? I was there. I took the pictures and I listened to COl. Hull myself. Those statements were made in front of about 200 local government officials. Otherwise, I AM NOT A RUMOR MILL. Rumors and assumptions are just as dangerous as some of the things we are concerned about.

I hope that I responded fairly to your post.

Sincerely

Franklin

-- Franklin Frith (franklin@y2kcoming.com), July 09, 1999.

I've come to expect reports of increasing federal activity, especially that involving the National Guard. The Eugene report is disturbing. Anyone able to confirm this. Ashton & Leska????

Confirmed reports of this nature on federal -- and even city -- involvement in control of y2k problems reinforce the certainty that governments know there will be problems.

They don't know how bad it will be, but this is evidence that they realize it will not be very good.

General recognition of this would result in a market crash (in spite of the plunge protection team) and in financial disasters now. So, they are simply trying to avoid these disasters now, keep programmers working in order to solve as many problems as possible before the rollover, and lay contingency plans for controlling the population later.

The price they pay will be the total unpreparedness of the general population, so the need to use military/para-military when the time comes.

Recognition of this fact should spur individual and family preparedness! It should be evidence that can be used by a GI to help convince a DGI spouse, or by a GI family to urge their neighbors to prepare.

That

-- de (delewis@inetone.net), July 09, 1999.

By the way, Franklin, thank you for the post, and thank you for your work. Welcome to Yourdan's forum, and welcome to the trolls (Chicken Little is one) that appear out of the slime to snipe at those who are concerned about y2k. Ignore them, they eventually crawl back into the ooze.

-- de (delewis@inetone.net`), July 09, 1999.

Call me a troll, call me a mole, it matters not to me. I am a fighter against FUD. Which you folks love to spread, and say you're doing a public service while doing it. You'll have the devil to pay.

Governments love to over-prepare. Ever heard of the Cold War? Ever heard of the Red Threat? Were you folks alive before last year? If we are to believe everything the government puts out, we all would have been consumed in a nuclear conflagration 30 years ago.

But you FUD Flingers love that sort of stuff, obviously. Scare everybody half to death, so they'll join up in your way of thinking, help out your buddies who are selling all the outrageously overpriced "survival" supplies, and "information packs" for $150, which information is available for free to anyone who is willing to search the Net. Good money to be made in this Fear stuff, huh!

If there WERE a need to stock six months' worth of food (which there isn't); why buy all this MRE/nitrogen-packed-wheat stuff? Go to the grocery store -- there's all kinds of canned food there for one-third the price, that will last just as long. THESE FEAR MONGERS ARE DECEIVING THE PUBLIC IN THE PURSUIT OF THE ALMIGHT DOLLAR.

Meanwhile, common sense still thrives and survives, despite your best efforts to snuff it out.

-- Chcicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), July 09, 1999.

Is Chicken (cpr) Little having a slow day(month) at the debunkie site? I will call you a troll if the shoe fits. Better to get some cookies and warm milk and crawl back to your rock.

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), July 09, 1999.

I think Chicken Little is right about one thing. A lot of the Y2K "preparedness" products I hear advertised is crap. Mind you, I do agree there are many potential and current problems:

• Y2K-induced economic collapse
• Illegal IRS "voluntary" tax
• Growing New World Odor
• Significant threat of terrorism
• Continued "trashing" of the US Constitution
• "Dumbing down" of the US population

I really question a lot of the products being sold though, via the same channels that supply us with the news Dan Blather doesn't want us to hear (or is being told not to tell us?). Listening to a commercial telling me how a simple ceramic filter will remove *ALL* contaminants from *ANY* water source (just 1 example) really 'burns my tukas'. More importantly, it makes me question the radio-station or web-site's honesty in general.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 09, 1999.

Y2k Dave,

What a cogent response, full of informative facts germane to the discussion at hand! Call me what you want, sir. I'll call you what I want. Not that any of that matters.

CPR? No sir, I am not him. I am in constant contact with him via e-mail, but we live in different states. I do agree with his point of view, though. (e.g.: not everybody who calls you doom zombies out on your hypocrisies is CPR ... there are others of us who see the same serious character/logic flaws in the Doomer philosophy)

Anonymous, I agree with a lot of your analysis of the threats we face. I fail to see how they're related to Y2k, though. A lot of life is a gamble. If we all lived in constant fear of all the things the people on this forum seem to love to harp on, it would be very difficult to get out of the bed in the morning, much less go out the front door.

Awareness of a threat is one thing; obsession with it is quite another.

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-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), July 09, 1999.

Yup, typical tactic. One troll (CL, cpr, whoever)comes in, then his parrot (anon99)follows in order to derail the thread. By this time the thread turns from it's original purpose to debating whether a supply seller will replace Bill Gates as America's richest man.

Unfortunately, guys, the real news is in the top two posts. You won't stop people from reading them.

-- de (delewis@Xinetone.net), July 09, 1999.

"...then his parrot (anon99)..."

OUCH!

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 09, 1999.

"Anonymous, I agree with a lot of your analysis of the threats we face. I fail to see how they're related to Y2k, though. "

My concerns about the numerous problems piling-up are WHY I am concerned about Y2K. I think the housing built on the sides of hills in California are a good analogy. A good rain-storm comes along and the house gets washed downhill...

I feel Y2K will be "the straw that breaks the camel's back".

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 09, 1999.

Oh Chicken Little,

What a good little story that was about fear mongers and how well you have learned that lesson.

Yes there is a LOT of crap being sold out there, but it's the DOOMERS who practically INVENTED the term CHEAPING. There is no WAY that any newbie doesn't come here and find out how to prepare properly and cheaply.

Just because people are stupid, doesn't mean that Y2K won't cause serious problems for a long time. The sky won't fall, but it doesn't have to precisely because people are stupid.

-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), July 09, 1999.

[ For Educational Purposes Only ]

Foreign Troops and National Guard Preparing for Y2K

Grayling, Michigan was the location for a unique training exercise called the Partner Challenge 1999, which took place during the weekend of June 18th and ended Tuesday, June 22. Three states and three European countries were in the middle of peacekeeping games as they trained at Camp Grayling.

It couldnt be better, said Col. Joe McDowell of the Michigan National Guard - quoted in the Traverse City Record Eagle, June 19th. To bring people in (from) three states and three different countries and have everything jell perfectly is just amazing.

According to the Record Eagle, Soldiers also will take in a land navigation course and will practice taking over and securing an area -- where they face dissenters and people begging for food and money.

After some training, these guys will be very good at their American tactics and they will learn a lot here, Lt. Ervins Gailas, platoon leader of Latvian National Guard said.

Franklin Frith - y2kcoming.com, attended the Michigan State Police - Emergency Management Division Y2K Regional Symposium on June 23, 1999 in Grayling, Michigan.

Col. Dennis Hull, Emergency Management Coordinator for the Michigan National Guard stated that the 52 armories throughout the State of Michigan have been trained to respond without higher level command.

The response that Col. Hull refers to was referred to by Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre in his memo to the various military departments in February 1999. It is also referred to in the Department of Defense Directive 3025.1 - Military Support to Civil Authorities. The documents have been referred to by Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre and the Federal Emergency Management Agency for response to Y2K consequences.

Col. Hull also stated that the national guard is prepared to activate state military emergency operations center and joint military operations.

We have developed a special national guard response plan for Y2K.

Conducting exercises with foreign troops to handle dissenters begging for food and money may be due to the fact that Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre stated that the armed forces and reserves would fulfill their first responsibility of meeting war-fighting abilities before providing military support to civil authorities.

Col. Hull stated that the National guard is federally funded, trained by the federal government and all of the equipment is owned by the federal government...The president can federalize the guard and use them however he wants.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has said that the Federal Response Plan operations will be functional through the Y2K conversion period. The Department of Defense Memo dated, February 22, 1999 defines the transition period to be from September 1, 1999 - March 31, 2000.

In the event of a major disaster requiring a national response on behalf of FEMA, the U.S. Army would be the executive agent. According to Col. Hull, there is a plan with the department of Army for a Y2K event on a national level. The Army has a plan to use the National Guard. The national guard would be federalized for the Army to use them.

In response to problems in Michigan, Col. Hull stated that an Executive order already has been typed up for the State to declare either an emergency or disaster for a fast response.

Public act 390 - Michigan Emergency Management Act explains the powers of the governor and the consequences of disobeying his orders.

Describing the Guards view of the Y2K problem, Col. Hull stated We do not know the level of this man-made emergency.

Franklin Frith has contacted various individuals with the National Guard and will provide more information in the near future.

For more information, contact Franklin D. Frith at (810) 796-2037 or Email him at franklin@y2kcoming.com. Franklin addresses communities at no costs and works on donations only. He has addressed hundreds of local governments, communities and churches regarding the real consequences of Y2K with documented facts. No opinions, rumors or commentary. You can visit his web-site for more information and his speaking schedule.

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We second the welcoming of Mr. Frith to the Yourdynamites. Mr. Frith, if you look in the archives, you will see that last Fall the discussions were on-topic, sober, helpful, and interesting. There is a lull in concentration now, and disrupters attach like leeches to threads of substance, or really substantive threads are simply ignored. Please bear with this temporary condition; things will perk up @ September/November in Fall.

Also, if you would like readers to peruse your reports, go ahead and post the text here. Many are in a hurry and have slow computers and it is easier for them to just scroll through, down or over on the same thread.

This helps keep our archives whole and coherent, especially because so many linked URLs disappear after a little time.

The Eugene article would be easy to confirm or deny: just call up their city hall and ask. It would be long-distance for us, and we don't have the money now, but after we earn more we'll make the call. Hopefully there's a Eugene lurker who will take 10 minutes and do it!

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 09, 1999.

This seems pretty sensational. Since Mr. Frith correctly let's the documents do the talking, where can we see these documents? I would prefer to see what they say myself. Please don't taking my doubting personally. It's just that at times like these, and especially in this medium, rumors fly fast and furious.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), July 09, 1999.

[ For Educational Purposes Only ]

http://y2ktimebomb.com/Washington/Misc/rvann9927.htm

DOD Testing Likened to War

DOD Testing Likened to War

By Rick T. Vannelli July 7, 1999

Both John J. Hamre, Deputy Secretary of Defense and Dr. Marvin Langston, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and Deputy Chief Information Officer, have stated that the 1999 testing of the systems that must operate in concert to perform Department of Defense (DOD) functions is as complex as going to war and, therefore involves all areas of the DOD: the Services (the Military Departments), the Principal Staff Assistants of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and the Commanders-in-Chief.

On February 24, 1999, Hamre reported to the Senate Committee on Armed Services that of the DOD's 9,900 systems, 2,300 are mission-critical. In March, Congressman Stephen Horn, Chairman of the House Government Management, Information and Technology Subcommittee (House Subcommittee), stated that the DOD had 636 additional mission-critical systems that it still had to repair, test and implement.

The DOD stated during its May 12, 1999 testimony before House Subcommittee that much effort had yet to be expended to achieve Y2K compliance for all DOD systems. Assuming that these systems get fixed in time, the DOD will engage in end-to-end testing, which it believes is critical to the Commanders-in-Chief's ability to carry out their respective parts in any warfighting plan. Such testing is also required to ensure compliance with provisions of the Defense Authorization and Appropriations Act, which requires that "all mission critical systems that are expected to be used if the Armed Forces are involved in a conflict in a major theater of war [be] tested in at least two exercises."

So how is this Y2K compliance testing to be performed? First, during 1999, the DOD will test everything from payroll systems to vital command and control systems, with everything from sensors to shooters tested. The Services will test the performance of systems necessary for the continued organization, training and equipping of the armed forces, and will also test the performance of specific weapons systems. Then, the Principal Staff Assistants will perform end-to-end supplier capability tests. Finally, the Commanders-in-Chief will exercise real-world warfighting missions to evaluate how the DOD will fare during the Year 2000 in carrying out the national military strategy.

Langston believes that this type of integrated testing will be extremely complex with many departments testing simultaneously. The DOD Inspector General will search for holes in the program, while the General Accounting Office and the Office of Management and Budget will provide a review by external auditors.

Describing its testing plan as "the largest and most comprehensive evaluation plan in the Department's history," the DOD believes that such testing will "mitigate" risk, and "improve" its ability to carry on operations despite Y2K. Nonetheless, Hamre warns that the interconnectedness of the systems guarantees that Y2K will have an impact on the DOD. This reality makes serious contingency planning a must.

As part of its contingency planning, to ensure that the DOD can perform necessary federal missions at Year 2000, and to prevent any weakening of its installations, the Federal National Guard Bureau became involved. In May 1999, the Bureau conducted a communications exercise to test its high frequency radio network from its headquarters to the 54 States, Territories and the District of Columbia. The state National Guards were asked by the Bureau to be ready to answer the call of their respective Governors.

Notwithstanding the challenge of getting the rest of its systems fixed, the war-like complexities of conducting end-to-end testing, and the necessity of getting contingency plans prepared and validated, the DOD wants to maintain public confidence. Hamre recently stated:

Rest assured, although there will be increasing unpredictability and some degradation in some systems, the armed forces WILL BE READY to ensure national security before, on, and after the Year 2000.

Given the facts as the DOD reports them, one tends to wonders how Hamre ever came to that absolute conclusion.

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 09, 1999.

"We're suggesting that families take the same precautions for maybe three to five days without essential services. It may take that long before emergency services could get to a particular home and get you to a shelter," Mattioli told WorldNetDaily.

This says it all. My paranoia is increasing daily.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), July 09, 1999.

Hey Chick Baby,

If this is going to happen (which I would bet big dollars against)... You did say that above right????

OK, I'll take you up on your bet!!! How much do you think big money is?? Are you cocky enough....what odds you want to run? Oh, I forgot your a chicken! How are you going to pay me if you can't access your bank after 1-1-00? I will need to know that info, since it's no fun to bet a fool who doesn't have any money!!

-- Big Mo (bettin@fool.com), July 09, 1999.

Chicken Little, another ticket holder on the flaming death train to Club Dead.

-- +++ (Nasty.Can@sta.com), July 09, 1999.

Chicken, You asked that IF things happened as we (GI's) thought they would next year, what we could do about it. I ask you sir, what does it matter to you? If y2k is a 10 or a 0, what does anything I do matter to you? If I plan, store items for my family and intend on being a burden to no one (govt included), why should it bother you. If I talk to others online who share my views, what does it matter to you. I have not asked you to share in my views, why do you seem to demand that I share yours? Everything I am doing, that I feel may help me in a crisis, does no one, not even YOU, any harm. If my views of what MIGHT happen next year do not come to pass, whom have I hurt? If my views are just flat out WRONG, whom have I hurt? I spend MY, earned I might add, money on my preps, I spend MY free time on my preps and if the worst comes to pass I am just one mouth less on the food line in front of YOU. If I do not try to force my views on you, why do try to force yours on me? I admit that I may be wrong, I cann't prove it one way or the other. But sir, you may be wrong as well, though I doubt you will ever admit it. You don't have any proof either. We are both taking the stand that our hearts and minds tell us to. So I ask again, why does what I do bother you?

-- sigmund (cigarjusta@cigar.com), July 10, 1999.

Mr. Frith,

I want to thank you for your courage to let the truth be known. The ridicule and flak you've taken for your stand has been unfounded. You have acted in the best interest of the public and suffered the consequences for doing so.

Please know there are many on this forum attempting to protect it from the likes of disturbed and frightened individuals, who's sole purpose is to wipe out any of the truths about this disaster our country is now facing. We are becoming side-tracked and tired of the battle. I for one am having difficulty keeping up with the daily 'related' news which is pouring in and still finding time for my everyday routine, family and preparations! How on earth did I manage to miss your post?? I would liken it to wandering around the house, hunting for the sunglasses that are perched upon my head!

I never once doubted your honesty and sincerity in first reading about you in the WorldNetDaily piece....and certainly do not doubt you now. Please excuse my tardiness and neglect, and please ignore the 'clueless' rantings of some of our feathered 'foul'.

(or at least what's left of chicken's feathers after 'Shaky' singed him in the Milne thread about the NERC....hehehe)

The information you present is critical to preparations. It could mean the inability for many to adopt 'plan B'. It illustrates the inevitability of the loss of freedom and the rights Americans have carelessly taken for granted. It will be quite a 'dope slap' to many caught off guard, including, I might add, those asked to inforce the 'plan'. "Stupid gets what stupid ignores".....I'm not sure if that should apply to JohnQ Public or our elected governments, both undoubtedly.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), July 10, 1999.