Where was detention center located on I-5 South of Eugene, Oregon?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
A few posts ago someone named Fritz said that there was a detention center located just South of Eugene, Oregon off of I-5. That's where I live and want to see if it's true or not. I have heared rumors that the City of Eugene will impose martial law on Dec. 31st in prep for any disruptions but I can't verify this. Is there anyone else out there on this board that lives around Eugene with any news or info? Just knowing someone else would be great!
-- I live here and want to check it out. Anyone else from Eugene area? (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 12, 1999
It's true! A friend of my brothers has confirmed that this will indeed be a concentration camp/detention center (he's a reserve who helped construct it and two others). The government has already targetted those that have made their Y2K preps - they want YOUR stashes!
The government already knows where each and every one of us lives and works - it's just a matter of time before they start knocking on our doors.
-- Proud (email@example.com), July 12, 1999.
Let me know if you get a location. I live about 45 min north of Eugene. I also saw the supposed minutes from a Eugene City Council meeting a while back on forum as I recall. I'd be curious to verify if it was true as well.
-- Freelancer (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 12, 1999.
try the college campus
-- Guns, Grub & Gold (The End@the World.com), July 13, 1999.
I never used the term,"detention center", just described a curious enclosure which, in an emergency could be used to detain a large number of people.Who constructed it or for what purpose, I have no idea. It's located just off 30th ave between LCC and I-5; 50 or so acres surronded by a fence topped with inward facing barbed wire. Occupying about four acres of the ground is the Oak Hills School; a small private school with a very small student body and very high tuition.I've met several of the students and they tend to be bookish nerds from wealthy families; not the kind of kids one needs to lock behind 50 acres of barbed wire. Yet the barbed wire is all facing inward. The enclosure is built on a gently sloping hillside and in one corner at it's highest elevation is the Oak Hills School sign, maybe forty feet tall with room on top for several people,(guards?), to stand; an excellant vantage point to survey the entire grounds. Located adjacent is Lane Community College, which has kitchen facilities capable of turning out several thousand meals per day. It also has medical facilities, sewage system and a large physical plant which puts out lots of heat and can, I believe, produce it's own power. Just to the east is I-5, the main west coast interstate, and two miles away, running thru Glenwood, the main north-south rail line between California and Seattle. Rioters, looters, gangbangers and others arrested during Martial Law could easily be brought in by bus or rail......Why do I think this could happen?? In a conversation with a relative who's a cop, he stated that they were expecting that if the power went down criminals were expected to become much more brazen.The police and 911 systems, if functional,will soon be overloaded. Response times are expected to increase to the point were many calls will not be answered. Bank and HOME INVASION robberies are expected to skyrocket as criminals seek to exploit the stuation, ( Cory's predators!).Now if the Gov'ment knows this, isn't it prudent to make preparations for possible martial law before hand, including, perhaps, the construction of detention camps in order to warehouse the tens of thousands of predators arrested during the crackdown.Or else do what? give em a ticket and release them to prey on an already suffering public?? The Rodney King riots is certainly fresh in the memories of public officials. I don't for a minute, think the gov'ment's gonna go after christians,gun owners or those of us preparing, ( Hell! the more who prepare, the less the Gov'ment's got to feed) I expect that those in the know are secretly hoping that lots of us prepare but are afraid of triggering a premature panic if they encourage us to do so or admit to the severity of the coming problems.Can you imagine the scene if Clinton came on TV and said; "It's gonna be bad"? Everyone would race to the bank to withdrawel all their money while screaming "SELL" on their cell phones at their stock brokers! The economy would collapse, remidiation would cease and guns, ammo and groceries would soon be sold out! Better to quietly prepare the machinery of martial law and rationing behind the scenes while the economy is strong and remidiation and stockpiling continue, ( Notice that coal pile growing at your local power plant? Seen the huge generators on flat beds rolling thru your town? Heard about all military, police and FBI X=mas&new years leaves being canciled? ).....................BTW info on the Eugene City Councils recent "martial law" meetings can be found at.......greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 0013pK
-- Fritz (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
BTW; fellow Eugeneans,Here's a little tidbit; a few months ago at work, a number of us were discussing Y2K when a fellow employee interjected that we were a bunch of nervous nellies and Y2K wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.Some weeks later he comes up to me rather sheepishly and says, "Ya know that Y2K you was talkin about? Well my wife is a secretary and one of her bosses is married to one of the high muckity mucks at EWEB."( Local power utility) "Someone asked her about Y2k and she said that her and her husband have three years supply of food." ...........just info!
-- Fritz (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
Freelancer or Fritz, if you live 45 min North of Eugene, OR. that would probably put you in the Albany or Corvallias area. I'm from Lane/Linn county area too! Do you have any news about weather or not Bonneville, EWEB, and SUB will be able to provide power next year? Bonneville SAYS that it can produce and deliver because it is all hydroelectric power and they have fixed all their y2k issues. I've attended several y2k meetings around here in the last few months, both at Lane Community COllege, and at the Eugene City Council. Eugene City council meetings tend to paint a picture that we should expect some problems, and several of the councilers suggested stocking up on food for 2-3 weeks(quite a far cry from a small winter storm). At one meeting they openly discussed several possible contingency plans. Someone in the audience asked about the possiblity of martial law if TSHTF. The city manager pointed to the Lane County Sheriff in the back of the room and said that he would be in charge of EVERYTHING(including military units) in the event of martial law. Classes at LCC tend to empahsise preparting for about one to three months of problems, although some people in them are prepping for a 10. I attened a Y2k informational seminar at a MAJOR local credit union(Yes, the big one in Eugene/Springfield that everyone thinks about when thinking about a credit union) and the Finance Manager giving the presentation joked about buying a generator(just to have..Ha...Ha..Haa) and storing Pop tarts in the attic. He pretty much told people to do their own resaurch and their foolish if they don't prepare. Some people in this area are preparing, but most (especially Eugene) just go on clueless about their everyday lives. I don't know about the detention center I asked about but I will check it out when I get a chance. Do you have any information about what is going on in our local community? Any truth to the rumors of martial law in Eugene? Write back with any info you may have please.
-- Freelanceer or Fritz (Eugene@Oregon.com), July 13, 1999.
How hard would it be to reverse the direction of the barbwire fence top at the Oak Hills School property? A 50 acre square would have about 6000 ft. of fenceline. With a good crew it shouldn't take more than a few days. Do that, add a perimeter patrol, and you've got a beautiful self-contained survival compound.
-- Tom Carey (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
Tom Carey; Perhaps my above post was confusing. The barbed wire surrounding Oak Hills School is already facing INWARD, in other words, it's already set up to keep people IN, not out.
-- Fritz (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
I have not attended any of the "local" power suppliers meetings so I can not comment on their status. I have attended some meetings held by the Linn-Benton Community College. Nothing earth shattering, pretty much what this forum knows and is already doing or preparing for. Local awareness around here seems pretty low. There is a community emergency web page(www.peak.org/y2k/) but not much activity on it. Most official groups say do the "normal" preparedness stuff.
I can comment about the local large employer. They are pretty much done with any code re-writes and testing at this point. They are now working with their critical suppliers to make sure they are good to go next year. Yes this is first hand knowledge, I am friends with several of the code heads! :) I used to be one of "them". They are not planning any extrodinary activities beyond having staff on call during the rollover, both locally and at their corporate IT centers. No secrets here or any smoking guns.
This area is much like Eugene, nobody paying much attention one way or another. Nobody I know is stocking up, stashing cash, etc. I have not heard of any plans by the local constabulary for the 12/31/1999 time frame.
I plan on being at my new ranch in a month anyway. It's further south with more sun!! :)
-- Freelancer (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
No, the government doesn't want your stash or know where you live. Get over it. That's the dumbest thing I EVER heard and I have heard a lot of silly stuff. They want you to have what you have because they want some people to survive. If they had the capacity to monitor all the doomers, anyway, they would have the capacity to fix the situation, which they don't.
-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), July 13, 1999.
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:59:29 EDT
Subject: NEW DATE public hearing on Eugene Emergency Code Ordinance
Yesterday I forwarded an e-mail titled
MARTIAL LAW IN EUGENE
which showed ammendments being considered by the Eugene City council to the Emergency Code Ordinance for the city of Eugene.
In that document a public hearing date for tonight, July 12, was given.
The above item WILL NOT APPEAR ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TONIGHT.
Just now I spoke with City council member Phil Weiler and he gave me this information:
The public hearing on the Emergency code Ordinance ammendments is scheduled for July 26, 7:30 pm.
By the end of Thursday July 22 the entire document will be posted on the city web site:
A copy may be requested directly at City hall.
Brian Terrett 682-5124 is the person at the City Hall to call with questions about the ordinance ammendments.
The public is invited to give comments & feedback at the council meeting July 26.
Sometimes agenda items get rescheduled so check the newspaper the week before the meeting or the city's web site for the most current city council meeting agenda.
I will be intouch with Phil before issuing any other messages about dates, etc., regarding this issue. I appologize for any inconvenience caused by information I sent yesterday.
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:20:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nanayma Marie Glenn
I would like to urge every one of you to email the editors of the Eugene Weekly and the Register Guard (and the Other Paper, and every other publication you can think of, television station, radio, whatever!!!), I however only have the above two e-mail addresses: EW is (firstname.lastname@example.org) and RG is (email@example.com). Tell them to print this information ASAP.
Believe it or not the Eugene Weekly does not believe there is public interest in Y2K. And we won't even go into the responsible reporting the Register Guard is doing about this subject. I know this martial law proposal is supposed to deal any "emergency" (including handily, civil disturbance).
Many of you may not be aware that the city of Eugene was given a petition in March by a large group of citizens, myself included. The petitiion was a list of steps we wanted the City of Eugene to begin taking in order to beging preparedness for Y2K. The steps included Citizen Emergency Response Team training, public wide distribution of preparedness information, and liasons with local agencies and businesses (such as red cross and food for Lane County) to develope organized contigency plans on a city wide level, rather than leaving individual agencies to do the best they can or attempt to organize after the fact. We were told that the list would be given to the city's Y2K management team by David Kelly to be a preparedness checklist. It's mid July and as far as I know virtually no action has been taken, especially on the most vital level, public information.
Even more alarming, is an action which looks very much like the city IS NOT going to take the intitiative on organizing neighborhood group and it's citizens, but is rather doing the opposite by puting itself in the postion to declare matial law. The city has demonstated time and time again that it views an informed and empowered public as a threat. This is an outrageous affront to our civil liberties by an administation that has proved itself less than trustworthy with those liberties. Please make it clear to the media how much people need to know what is going on, before they don't have any choice in the matter.
Thank you, Nayma Glenn
"For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions ... Now I feel quite differently. I think you've got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Since I am a preacher by trade, I suppose it is not surprising that I have seven major reasons for bringing Vietnam into the field of my moral vision. There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor--both black and white-- through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and attack it as such.
Perhaps the more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hopes of the poor at home. It was sending their sons and their brothers and their husbands to fight and to die in extraordinarily high proportions relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by our society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools. So we watch them in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would never live on the same block in Detroit. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor.
My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettos of the North over the last three years --especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they asked -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They asked if our nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967
Declaration of Independence from the War in Vietnam
(his best, and least reported speech)
Martial Law In Eugene - Hearing
Subject: Emergency Code Ordinance, City of Eugene
This seems to moving below the radar without comment in the press or media. The Council has already had one work session on this, a public hearing is scheduled for 12 July and final action is scheduled for 26 July. Given the possible impacts of legislation of this type felt worth the effort to enter the major provisions of this proposed ordinance. The provisions, powers and definitions are direct quotations from the first draft of the ordinance. At the 29 June work session council requested some changes, these are not yet available.
Emergency Management Ordinance
This Ordinance adds an entirely new section to the Eugene Code regarding the declaration of a state of emergency and granting additional powers to the City Manager for the duration of said emergency. This is response to a state statute that assigns the responsibility for disaster response to local governments.
For the purposes of this ordinance Disaster is defined as:
"An occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural, technological or human-made cause including fire, flood, earthquake, windstorm, wave action, oil spill or other contamination, radioactive incident, epidemic, air contamination, blight, drought, infestation, explosion, riot, hostile or paramilitary action, or structure failure of a dam, building or infrastructure, or other public calamity requiring emergency action."
And Emergency is defined as:
"Any human-made, technological or natural event or circumstance causing or threatening loss of life, injury to persons or property, human suffering, financial loss including but not limited to fire, explosion, severe weather, drought, earthquake, volcanic activity, spills or releases of petroleum products or other hazardous materials, contamination, utility or transportation emergencies, disease, blight, infestation, civil disturbance, riot, sabotage and war."
Should the City Manager decide that either a disaster or emergency as defined above exists he may declare a state of emergency for all or part of the city for a period of time not to exceed two weeks. This declaration can be extended for additional two week periods. He is also given the sole authority to request that the Governor declare a state of emergency for the city.
The City Council may by majority vote repeal the City Manager's declaration of a state of emergency.
The new powers granted to the City Manager during a declared State of Emergency are:
(a). Designate persons to coordinate the work of the public and private relief agencies operating in the area and exclude from the area any person or agency refusing to cooperate and work under the coordinator or to coordinate with other agencies engaged in the emergency work.
(b). Regulate by rationing, freezing, use of quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing allocation or other means, the use, sale or distribution of food, feed, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials goods or services.
(c). Order the removal of debris and wreckage which may threaten the public health or safety on public or private property consistent with the provisions of section 6.010 of this code.
(d). Barricade streets and prohibit vehicular or pedestrian traffic or regulate the same on any public street leading to the area designated as an emergency area for such a distance as may be deemed necessary under the circumstances.
(e). Prohibit or limit the number of persons who may gather or congregate upon any public street, public place or any outdoor area designated as an emergency area.
(f). Establish a curfew for the designated area which fixes the hours during which all persons other than officially authorized personnel may not be upon the public streets or public places.
(g). To the extent allowed by law, prohibit the sale carrying or possession of any weapons or explosives of any kind on public streets or public places.
(h). Establish rent controls and provide temporary or permanent housing by purchase, lease or otherwise and to enter into arrangements necessary to prepare or equip the living units for occupancy.
(i). Order the evacuation of persons from a designated area as necessary.
(j). Adopt rules for the expeditious issuance of permits necessary, address issues which arise from the emergency or disaster.
(k). In accordance with the rules adopted under section 2.1230(5) of this code suspend the applicable public procurement requirements.
(l). To the extent sufficient funds are available and budgeted, to redirect city funds to pay expenses incurred as a result of responding to the state of emergency.
(m). Appropriate or confiscate merchandise, equipment vehicles or property needed to alleviate the emergency. The city shall reimburse the owner within 60 days at the customary value charged for the items during the 90-day period before the declaration of emergency.
(n) Order such other measures as may be necessary to protect life, safety and health of persons or the safety of property.
In addition to these powers granted to the City Manager this ordinance also contains the following provisions:
(6) Authority to enter property.
During a state of emergency declared under this section, a city employee or agent can enter into private property if the person has reasonable grounds to believe there exists an immediate need for assistance for the protection of life or property, and that entering onto private land will allow the person to take steps to prevent or minimize danger to lives or property from the declared emergency.
(7) Violation of Measure or Order.
No person shall knowingly violate any emergency measure or lawful order of a city official taken pursuant to the plan or this section.
(8) Controlling Provisions.
In the event of a state of emergency,
these code provisions shall control over any conflicting code provisions.
The penalty for a violation of the provisions of this ordinance is up to a $500 dollar fine, 100 days in jail or both.
This ordinance also contains an Emergency clause that causes this ordinance to go into effect upon passage and signing by the Mayor.
The complete text of the draft ordinance and council packet is available at the City Manager's Office, City Hall 777 Pearl Street.
If you have any thoughts or comments regarding this proposed ordinance you can submit them in writing or make them at the public hearing. The City Council will be holding a Public Hearing on a proposed Emergency Management Ordinance at their Council Meeting. See above.
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-- email (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
Just called the number above.
The Hearing will be on the date said and The itinerary will be posted on either the 22nd or 23rd.
I had to call, cause I just didn't believe it.
But the girl knew just what I was talking about.
Even put me in touch with the individuals working with the material.
Unbelievable. Just Unbelievable.
-- Thomas G. Hale (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
On a separate thread, I mentioned that "wave action" sounds a little odd. Any big wave action in Eugene?
Maybe this thing came from a template, and Eugene is the first to use the template to make rules by?
Be interesting if someone who goes to this hearing could find out where exactly the phrasing came from.
-- bw (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
Hey Mara you DUNCE!
That first response was one of YOUR trolls, not a doomer.
Contrary to your belief, most doomers are NOT this stupid.
-- nothere nothere (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
Father Thomas G. Hale, thank you for calling the number displayed and getting a real answer. Template? Toned-down feeler balloon? Amazing, even on this thread little interest or investigative efforts from Y2K-"interested" folk. Somebody somewhere has decided the time is ripe to pluck the spoils from the contented clueless sleeping lot we have all collectively become. Yes, scary, scarier with each passing complacent snickering day flying by ...
-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
I e-mailed inquiries to both the Eugene City Council and the Register-Guard concerning this rather Draconian proposed ordinance. The City Council has not responded. What follows is the response of the newspaper reporter; while he seems to be well-meaning, I suspect he is being a bit naive about this matter:
Subject: City of Eugene and Y2K Date: Mon, 12 Jul 99 13:11:24 -0700 From: email@example.com (Scott Maben) To: "Norman Harrold"
I've been asked to respond to your question about the city's emergency plan. Below I've included a news article I wrote that appeared June 29.
I haven't looked at the web site you mentioned, but I think to suggest that the city would impose martial law in the event of Y2K disruptions is taking this proposal far, far beyond what city officials intend. It's a proposed update of an existing emergency preparedness plan for the city, and it would give the city manager the ability to declare an emergency and assume certain powers in the event of a devastating disaster (something that not even the worst-case Y2K scenarios would produce).
We're talking about an event that severely disables most of the city, threatens many lives and puts the city at risk of widespread looting or rioting. Like a major earthquake or disastrous flood. These are things that have never happened here, and rarely happen anywhere.
Power outages, phone disruptions and other computer-related problems from the Y2K bug would not rise to this level. At least that's my take on itfrom reading the proposed ordinance changes and attending a recent city council discussion on this.
You will notice, from the article below, that some city councilors are still uneasy about the powers the city manager would have, and they're tinkering with the proposed changes to address those concerns. A public hearing on this is scheduled for July 26.
If you'd like more information, I suggest you call Phil Weiler, the city's public and intergovernmental relations representative, at 541-682-5823. He is very informative about the city's Y2K contingency plans.
REGISTER-GUARD FROM 6/29/1999 / BY SCOTT MABEN
ARTICLE: When the big wind blows and cuts power and phone lines, or the rapid spring thaw floods homes and businesses, or the clock strikes midnight on Dec. 31 and who knows what happens, Eugene city officials want to turn to a flawless emergency plan. That means dispatching firefighters, rescue crews, police and paramedics where they're needed most, restoring services as quickly as possible and guarding against civil disorder. It also means knowing who may declare a state of emergency and when - in short, who's in charge. In the first update of the city's emergency preparedness plan in six years, the city manager has the authority to make such a declaration when local resources are tapped out and the city needs help from the county, state or federal governments to protect lives and limit property damage. But some members of the City Council are a little uneasy about the broad powers the city manager would wield in the days or weeks following a devastating earthquake, radioactive materials spill, widespread riot or other large-scale disaster. In the most extreme cases, the city manager could order evacuations, barricade streets, impose a curfew, prohibit weapons in public places, fix food and fuel prices and confiscate private property.
During a council discussion of the emergency plan and a related city ordinance Monday, several councilors requested adding a sentence or two directing the city manager to make an effort to consult the council before proclaiming an emergency and to confer with councilors throughout the crisis. Councilor David Kelly proposed the city manager make the "best effort" to reach the mayor and council before and after declaring an emergency. "This ordinance does grant extraordinary powers to a single individual," Kelly said. City Manager Jim Johnson said he's comfortable amending the plan for that purpose. He said he and the city staff have been working on a detailed procedure for communicating with elected leaders during a major crisis. Johnson also pointed out that only an extraordinary event threatening lives and property throughout the city would warrant an emergency declaration. City officials can't recall when Eugene ever has been in a state of emergency. Other councilors said the city may need to devote more attention to urgent prevention measures, such as prohibiting south hills residents from certain activities that could spark a large forest fire during an especially dry summer. Councilor Pat Farr said he would like to see the city distribute a Y2K checklist to residents to help them prepare for year-end problems that may surface because of the millennium computer bug. The city does plan to offer Y2K planning workshops beginning in August and probably will address local Y2K concerns in a citywide newsletter due out later in the year, staff members said. The city and Eugene Water & Electric Board also plan to participate in a Y2K emergency drill in September that will test the city's Emergency Operations Center, which will move from City Hall to the new Sheldon Fire Station this summer. That exercise will double as a check of the city's ability to handle communication breakdowns during weather-related disasters. In August, the city and other area agencies plan to simulate a ground collision between a Boeing 737 and a private plane, with numerous deaths and injuries, at the Eugene airport.
The full-scale drill, required by the Federal Aviation Administration, will use actors portraying victims who need to be treated on the scene and rushed to area hospitals.
Scott Maben, reporter The Register-Guard P.O. Box 10188 3500 Chad Drive Eugene, OR 97440
Telephone: (541) 338-2365 Fax: (541) 683-7631 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
-- Norm Harrold (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
Sorry about the "no paragraphs" formatting; my paragraph breaks didn't make it to the forum.
-- Norm Harrold (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 13, 1999.
Thank you, Norm Harrold, for this further confirmation that the Eugene posts are backed by verifiable sources. We imagine other cities are watching closely to see how these meetings/issues play in Eugene. The next few months will be very interesting. We are watching the Swan Song of the current .gov .biz proceeding as usual. After Y2K hits, these muddling attempts will be studied and the survivors will vow "NEVER AGAIN! !!"
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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (email@example.com), July 13, 1999.
Fritz -- I understood your description perfectly. Reread my post and you'll see that I suggested that reversing the deflector segment at the top of the fence (to make the area secure from outside) would not be difficult. I've no idea what's actually planned there -- just speculating, as most here seem to do.
-- Tom Carey (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 16, 1999.
-- Spidey (email@example.com), July 16, 1999.
Phil J Weiler wrote:
" ... the information will be posted on our Web site tomorrow afternoon (www.ci.eugene.or.us). Look in the "What's New" section.
The City Council will hold a public hearing on this draft on Monday, July 26 at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chamber, 777 Pearl Street, Eugene, OR. ..."
Phil Weiler, APR
City of Eugene
777 Pearl Street, Room 105
Eugene, OR 97401
(541) 912-0272 cell
(541) 682-5414 fax
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-- email (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 16, 1999.
Well, folks, any of ye still of doubtful mind, here it is proudly posted to Eugene's official Web Site:
AN ORDINANCE CONCERNING THE EMERGENCY CODE
Between this & California & a few other locales, one can hear the lockstep bootmarch re.hearse.ing.
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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (email@example.com), July 20, 1999.