Article hints at a Y2K discussion group that's probably us.

Article in The Register-Guard.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), July 22, 1999

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City of Medford (also Oregon) also proposed a very similar ordinance a couple of months ago. Last I heard, the local citizens made such an outcry that the city council decided not to vote on it. That's my recolection only, though, and, for all I know, they may have reintroduced it by now.

Funny how these ordinances suddenly seem so important, but don't blame y2k for the necessity of giving the City Manager such unprecedented powers.

-- jumpoffjoe (jumpoff@echoweb.net), July 22, 1999.

Read the whole thing on the City of Eugene official web site:

Declaring an EMERGENCY

Think perhaps Eugene's recent experience with riots 'n anarchy may have stimulated some of this. We just met a "Professional Paranoid" man, selling computer parts at a mainstream store, wearing a Y2K necktie! who told us some rather disconcerting stories. Don't know if they're true, but it sounds like Oregon, Washington & Idaho are ramping up for something far more battle-like than the 3-day snowstorm, which, BTW, is the norm in January in the Pacific NorthWest anyway.

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 22, 1999.

Lisa, Eugene's ordinance has been far more hotly decried over on csy2k than here. For example:

a related csy2k thread

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 22, 1999.

Lisa,

I "know" he is referring to us. I called Maben at the RG last week and ripped him for the poor job he did covering this. he said he had writen somthing about it on 6-29-1999 page 2B. I told him I came across this on this fourm and he should stop interviewing people and just sit down and read the proposed law. He said he had, but I don't believe him. The reason I don't is from this most recent artical. I quote;

"He insists he would not have the authority to decree a police state to silence political dissidence or randomly raid private homes and businesses, as some critics have suggested."

If you read the proposed law, It says he may do exactly that. My father is an attorney in Eugene and I had him look it over. I thought he was going to have a stroke. he hadn't heard about this and said he will be at the meeting the 26th. Unfortunately, I will be out of town that day. If you go will you please let me know what happens. I'm sure dad will too but, as the old saying goes, 4 ears are better than 2, or somthing like that.

The RG has always been a mouthpiece for the Eugene Gov. This is just one more article that proves it.

P.S. It's good to know some of the people in my community are posting here or at least looking.

-- DOC (hoping_for@the_best.com), July 22, 1999.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia

You said "Think perhaps Eugene's recent experience with riots 'n anarchy may have stimulated some of this."

I'm sorry but that is not true. This proposal was started in May of this year. The Anarchy crap didn't happen until last month. This was a statment that was put to me by the City Desk repoter at the RG and when I pointed this out to him he transfered me to Maben's desk because he knew more about it and could help me. If this DIP (whos name I didn't get) didn't know what he was talking about, then why did he just try to make something up? OH, I forgot, he works for the RG.

-- DOC (hoping_for@the_best.com), July 22, 1999.

Uh..what sort of disconcerting tales did the computer salesman tell?

-- Greg Lawrence (greg@speakeasy.org), July 22, 1999.

Well, Greg, as we said, don't know if any of it is true. Some examples: Oregon, Washington, & Idaho have an agreement to swap National Guard personnel so at Rollover nobody is in home state so they don't have to fire on friends, family, neighbors.

Man said, in Clackamas he saw military unloading 2 Russian anti-riot equipment sets.

UN & NATO & various other entities are closed-door planning ways to use Y2K to further their agendas.
Purportedly their attitude is that "people are expendable."

Stomach-churning info, we didn't listen to it all because we were in a hurry and have no way of knowing if any of it is true. Also, it's not like we can do anything about it! Pray 'n prep, getting ready to meet our Maker and stay with Him a lllloooonnnnngggggg time, forever if He'll allow ;^) If not that, then keep enjoying life. Right now things are really nice, easy, convenient, clean, lushly brimming with abundance in Cascadia.

We were just shopping for a back-up 'n storage peripheral for our iMac, didn't expect to run into a Y2K fanatic. Made us look like really dummmb pollies. It's all relative out there!

At this point, what will be will be, and we're trying to Do The Right Thing day by day, create no bad or entangling karma, be ready to graduate from this mental zoo of a planet. TimeBomb2000 has been a blast socially! Thanks for all the great posts and discussions. Helps while we're sitting bedside with these extremely needy patients. Our current surgery recovery pt just went back into Hospital now, 3rd time in 1 month.

Seeing what we see daily in the medical field, evaluating what we've observed and heard, the Darwinian Cull about to scythe is timed for maximum harvest.

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 23, 1999.

Up on Gary North's site:

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/5515

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/5468

Category: Martial_Law
Date: 1999-07-23 09:22:08
Subject: Special Forces Are Special: Not Used for Handing Out Canned Goods at the Local Retirement Home

Comment: The report that the British government will recall its special forces units from Kosovo and bring them home to help local communities deal with y2k is revealing by what it did not say. It did not say exactly how these troops will be used. It did say that the main issue is civil disorder.

The SAS is not a weekend warrior organization comparable to our National Guard. It is Britain's most prestigious military force. It is used to kill people. If y2k is expected to be minimal in its effects, then the last unit you would bring home from Kosovo is the SAS.

I suggest that you begin monitoring the Web for any mention of special forces, such as the Rangers, being withdrawn from foreign assignments and brought home. If they are brought home to military bases that are used to train National Guard units, then be especially concerned.

These units are too small to be used for crowd control. They would have to be spread too thin. My guess is that, if recalled, they will be used for training domestic units for riot control and urban distrubances.

If the British see the domestic problem, then the U.S. Department of Defense sees the problem. If the British are calling their special forces home, then I think the DoD will do the same.

If they do, you can forget about a bump in the road. The roads will be closed.

Look on a map for highway choke points. Where are major intersections on the interstate highway system? The interstate highway system was designed by law to deal with military transport. Congress in the 1950's called the program the National Defense Highway Act.

By law, in every 5-mile strip, there must be one mile of straight highway, presumably to land planes. A military base close to any of these choke points is an obvious location for y2k preparatory training.

Do you live anywhere near such a choke point? Pay attention to what goes on at any local military base. Have there been any recent changes?

Start snooping.
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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), July 24, 1999.