http://fennel.assumption.edu/pub/view/1999/view0799.htm

This is a site that has kept up you Y2K from time to time this time most of this issue is Y2K related. Reading down through the Y2K quotes of the month I stumbled across the POOLE dribble being passed off as real comments. This was not an private prank you played Mr. POOLE.

We do not need made up data or reports (games==mr andyray) in this arena. We need real data, to make choices, to plan, to prepare (if needed). Mr. POOLE --- ANDY RAY should use you as an example of the NET gone bad, you planted a bad seed, it contiunes to grow, fester, and harm people.

FYI the game started at:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0010xS

And just will not die!!! Think of this before you troll...

I am steamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-----------------------

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), July 27, 1999

Answers

An other enlightening set of quotes from the above site:

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At least you have noticed that Gary North has "an axe to grind". That's putting it mildly. But the real problem with North is not his bizarre agenda, but that he does not have the slightest clue about technology. About history, maybe, but computers, nada. Just the other day I saw the most hilarious hoax posted on his [web] site and he bought it hook, line and sinker. [One in which the first letter of each sentence spells out "PAUL MILNE IS A BIG FAT IDIOT". /Nick] He simply doesn't have the skills to tell the difference between complete bullshit and a plausible scenario.

[For example,] the Euro implementation.... job was also supposed to be impossible to complete on schedule, estimated to be six times the size of Y2K, and Capers Jones, patron saint of doomers, estimated that of 2 million affected systems, half a million would not be fixed in time. Gary North expounded: "The deadline is fixed: Jan. 1, 1999. It has been trumpeted for years. It has been fundamental to one of the great public relations campaigns of all time. But Europe will not make this deadline. The world will know on Jan. 4". Uh huh, I'm still waiting.

Why are you still quoting Ed Yourdon? The guy who wrote Decline and Fall of the American Programmer at the moment when the profession was just moving into its golden age? You just can't get more wrong than that. The guy is a total laughingstock in the programming community. Besides, he has left the Y2K debate like a yellow dog with his tail between his legs, hoping to get a head start on his rehabilitation.

Cory Hamasaki? He's no programmer, he's an archaeologist! He's been out of the loop for so long, his opinions on Y2K are about as valuable as Alan - I wrote a few lines of COBOL 35 years ago - Greenspan. Then there is Paul Milne. He's just a plain, stupid, idiot, who makes an ass of himself on a daily basis.

-----------------Read it your self

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), July 27, 1999.

So the guy chastises North for being fooled by the "Paul Milne is a BFI hoax", then is fooled himself and runs Pooles hoax...priceless!

-- a (a@a.a), July 27, 1999.

It was BIG FAT WEENIE , not BIG FAT IDIOT. Can't he read????

-- (Duh@duh.duh), July 27, 1999.

The point about balanced coverage is correct... it was a hoax, a piss poor one, but also one that pointed out pitfalls of rushing to grab anything that supports which ever view the grabber happens to hold, without verifying the source FIRST. The rest of the "article" was a little better... As to Ben and his qualifications, also unsubstantiated, so he basically falls into the same category.. bullsh*t is bullsh*t until you sign your name to it and provide a means to verify your information... all else is crap...

And yes, Gary North is guilty of posting crap without verifying the source, as well as twisting what he finds... his sight can be informational, so long as you check his sources, and disregard his "spin", just as you should verify government sources and disregard their "spin"

-- Carl (slowlygi@stubborn.com), July 27, 1999.

The point about balanced coverage is correct... it was a hoax, a piss poor one, but also one that pointed out pitfalls of rushing to grab anything that supports which ever view the grabber happens to hold, without verifying the source FIRST. The rest of the "article" was a little better... As to Ben and his qualifications, also unsubstantiated, so he basically falls into the same category.. bullsh*t is bullsh*t until you sign your name to it and provide a means to verify your information... all else is crap...

And yes, Gary North is guilty of posting crap without verifying the source, as well as twisting what he finds... his sight can be informational, so long as you check his sources, and disregard his "spin", just as you should verify government sources and disregard their "spin"

Sorry to waste space, but forgot my home system was still set on anon... my real email is listed here, although I'll probably regret the spam...

Carl Lilly

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), July 27, 1999.

Have we decended into such an abiss...

That lies are made known as information...

That the hoards that brought down Rome...

Live with us today, and will be our undoing....

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Keep the faith (if you can)

Helium

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), July 28, 1999.