RUMOR:The President plans to declare a national state of "martial law" for Year 2000 transition.

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RUMOR:The President plans to declare a national state of "martial law" for Year 2000 transition.

FALSE. The President has no intention of declaring martial law for the Year 2000 transition. Under so-called "martial law," ordinary law and judicial processes are temporary replaced by military rule, which is usually accompanied by curfews and other restrictions on individual rights (e.g., freedom of speech, freedom of assembly). No President has ever declared a condition of martial law that applied to the entire country. In fact, not since President Lincoln placed several areas of the country under martial law during the Civil War has any President directly proclaimed martial law on behalf of the Federal Government.

Presidents have often issued emergency or disaster declarations for weather-related disasters and civil unrest which have sometimes been accompanied by individual State National Guard units being called into Federal service along with Federal troops to provide support or restore order in communities. It is not expected that the Y2K transition will create a need for such action, but the Federal Government will be prepared to take such action if circumstances warrant.

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This makes me feel much better, why, because the president has "no intention of delaring martial law". Why he had no intention of sending ground troop into Kosovo (unless it was a permissive envirnment) Are there troops in Kosovo now?

In the second paragraph "It is not expected that the Y2K transition will create a need for such action, but the Federal Government will be prepared to take such action if circumstances warrant. "

Well taken at its face, I would guess that the troops will be in position for the roll over, the question remains

QUESTION: What does the President Indend to do?

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999

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The million dollar question. Perhaps he'll step up to the plate SOON, to let his adoring public know that there is a slight possibility we may experience a few disruptions in a few locations, and because he cares so deeply for his country and fellow Americans, he just wants to let us know he is prepared to take measures that will curb any discomfort we may become victim to. Not to fear, Bill and Hillary are here and we feel your pain. I picture him announcing suggestions to save the children, like, banning sales of ammo, limiting travel to prevent mobility of terrorists. The Sheeple will be safe and cared for with WJC at the helm! He has elaborate plans being implemented for safety camps that are already in the process of being constructed. We can all breathe easier and go about our normal business of consuming. "God Bless America and all of my fellow citizens."

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 18, 1999.

"...the Federal Government will be prepared to take such action if circumstances warrant."

That about says it in a nutshell.

Now, the $64K question is...

WHAT "circumstances" would warrant such action? And "when."

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.


The reason I posted this is that there was a long discussion on Cory's List Server yesterday. I suggest that any one who is interested to go look at the digests on the list server site. Go to Cory's Page and click through.

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.

Just wanted to add another piece to the puzzle. It's my understanding that we've been under "martial rule" since approx. 1933 due to the "state of emergency" declared by Roosevelt. Under these conditions we've been ruled by executive fiat aka "executive orders" which have been utitlized by every President since "33. No-one has taken advantage of EO's like Clinton whose philosophy on the subject was best summed up by Paul Begala (DE)* whose comment on EO's was...... " Stroke of the pen, law of the land, kinda cool".....yeah, real cool. Essentially, the state of emergency suspended our Constitutional process and allowed the Cowards of Congress to completely abdicate their oath of office. * Domestic Enemy

-- saveamerica (gfc40@hotmail.com), August 18, 1999.

....followed fifteen minutes later by a national confiscation of firearms - "for the public safety".

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), August 18, 1999.


and in the last=day,s''the righteous will be more=righteous--& the unrighteous will wax worse.[the testing=begin,s]

-- eyes-wide-open. (dogs@zianet.com), August 18, 1999.

Diane,

You are correctly pinpointing the matter I think.

Robert,

I, too, think this will be "tried." In order for serious martial law to work, if it is planned to be a long term situation by the Prez, there will just have to be an attempt to disarm as many people as possible. Of course, there will be no new sales of firearms allowed, but the black market and underground will ramp-up to supply these needs. It won't be pretty if it goes in that direction. There are just too many independently minded, anti-government, citizens around for the police to just come in and take away their defensive weapons. IMHO

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 18, 1999.


Al-D,

You always have your own special way of offering an opinion, and in this case I think what you are saying, or rather reminding us of, is correct.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), August 18, 1999.


Not to WORRY, I have just talked to the Polly -In-Chief and have been reassured that the K-Man's BITR scenario is a GO.

Rest assured, we have the specific promises of Hoffmeister, Cherri, Maria, Flint, Chicken Little, y2k Amateur, Craig etc. that ALL will be WELL!!

What more could a doomer ask for????

Ray

-- Ray (ray@tottacc.com), August 18, 1999.


Well said Diane -

Wild speculation. Put together this scenerio: GPS roll over is this Saturday. Suppose it creates problems with banking and the Street and the power/pipelines because of the timing mechanisms that use the GPS system. Now you have about one week to fix the problem before Sept. 1. Remember the military announced about a month ago that its Y2K window starts September 1. So now, do they know more than they are telling about GPS roll over and if so, is this why the military is set for Sept. 1? EO is already in place. Good question - what circumstances?...

-- Valkyrie (anon@please.net), August 18, 1999.



I think Will got it pretty much right.

Perhaps after TSHTF, he will offer us low cost loans to help rebuild? Seems throwing dollars at everything is his answer to all ills...

-- Don Wegner (dwegner@cheyenneweb.com), August 18, 1999.


Saveamerica,

This is the dirty dysfunctional family secret of our once virtuous republic - now a corrupt empire: we are ruled by a monarch, who is a puppet of a financial aristocracy. We go through the motions of a democratic republic and the furniture is rearranged amid heated debate on feng shui and bitter acrimony between the doilie and anti-doilie contingents. But the real decisions: war, financial policy, treaty, defense, etc., are made by moneylenders and other evil bastards, and transmitted to our "Executive Order"- and (more importantly) "Presidential Decision Directive"-wielding Chief Executive. They are socialists, looking at a nazi-style, mega-corporate/government global socialist system: a totalitarian future for you and for me. Read the book "Friendly Facism" to see how this is being accomplished. Or just kick back and wait a few months...

Sal

-- Sal (smonella@thepicnic.jim), August 18, 1999.


The scenario goes like this:

Widespread "local" disruptions (kinda like a flexible freeze) caused by failed Y2K rollovers.

President declares "National Emergency"

Via Executive Order 12148 (signed by Carter) authority has been delegated to FEMA for Execution and Command/Coordination of the Federal Response Plan. The Catastrophic Disaster Response Group (CDRP)within FEMA is developing a special Y2K Operations Supplement to the FRP is being drafted to address the unique nature of Y2K disruptions. The current FRP has no provision for Y2K problems and what the Federal response should/will be.

DoD Directive 3025.1 Military Suport To Civil Authorities outlines DoD's policy of support. FEMA, under the FRP can ask for DoD resources without prior approval of State Governors.

Executive Order 12919 provides FEMA, acting under the FRP, coordinating power and authority over all free market resources in the event that there is a threat to the ability of the industrial sector to provide sufficient goods to maintain out technological advantage for National Defense.

I could go on, but, just a three day storm.

-- MarktheFart (quke@ix.netcom.com), August 18, 1999.


Mark,

Yep.

But...

We now have a storm warning upgrade from a 3-day storm to a 3 to7-day Hurricane. (The Civic Prep list is buzzing with it). The Koskey weather review has shifted (it happens).

;-D

Diane

See also...

Is White House Upgrading Y2K Threat? Koskinen's '3-day storm' now 3 to 7 days

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001GB8



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.


We all know that the President is totally trustworthy in everything that he says, right? So why wouldn't we believe him on this?

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 18, 1999.


From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr near Monterey, California

It seems to me as though if martial law is to be declared, it has to happen before the turn of the century, so that the usual media can be used to instruct everyone where they're supposed to turn in their guns, exactly when they're supposed to put their excess food (over three day supply) on the curb for pickup, etc.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage.neener.autospammers--regrets.greenspun), August 19, 1999.


FALSE. The President has no intention of declaring martial law for the Year 2000 transition. ...... It is not expected that the Y2K transition will create a need for such action, but the Federal Government will be prepared to take such action if circumstances warrant. Can you say double speak? How about PATENT DOUBLESPEAK?

"Presidents have often issued emergency or disaster declarations for weather-related disasters and civil unrest which have sometimes been accompanied by individual State National Guard units being called into Federal service along with Federal troops to provide support or restore order in communities."

Here's factoid for you; Martial law has been declared over ONE HUNDRED TIMES between 1871-1925. Let's get at least a little bit of history straight. Let's start with declared martial law in 1914 in Colorado during a miner's strike in which the order from the federal government (Wilson) was to DISARM LOCAL POLICE, SHERIFFS, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND COLORADO STATE NATIONAL GUARD ALONG WITH THE CIVILIAN POPULACE.

Restoring order to the communities, huh? Yeah, sure. Then why were the local police forces disarmed as well? Well the answer surely must be they were all a bunch of subversive whackos, including the cops and national guard. Oh, and civilian blood was most definitely shed. Sorta like WACO and RUBY RIDGE.

Feeling comfy?

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), August 19, 1999.


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