Well, I do not fancy myself a doomsayer, just like to say that we are all better safe than sorry.

The reason the navy study is either a quick blurb or non-existent in most of the mass media is because the mass media is run by the powers that be and the powers that be have already decided that the information is too pessimistic for the populus to handle and therefore they have chocolate coated the truth by a quick blurb about the report and then a longer and more delicious response from the beloved government puppet Koskinen who states that it is really not the way the navy sees it at all (as if the damn report is someone's opionon!!!) I am just fed up with the damn government and all the puppets and bullXXXX that they try to spoon feed the american people.

The truth is what you see between the lines is where the truth MAY be found. Believe what you know in your heart.

Oh, and watch the stock market very closely today... this is where the powers that be who have their own money invested will show you where the real truth is ... if they sell themselves out... we know the navy's got it right and to hell with what Koskinen, or Clinton or any of 'em say......... head for the hills and don't look back!!!

Liz

-- Liz Conti (Liz.Conti@pharma.com), August 20, 1999

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Markets up so far, so no reaction. It may end down today but unless it plummets the Navy story is nothing.

-- watcher (watcher@seeyou.com), August 20, 1999.

Sometimes I feel like I'm nuts for preparing. No one I know is! I quietly make my plans...Although I must admit I've been dragging my feet since March. On one hand I know it's important to be prepared...on the other hand I wonder if I'm an alarmist. I stopped talking about y2k to neighbors and friends long ago....got too many "glazed looks".....then when I went to my first gun show....I was labled I'm sure. At work...forget about it...I do not mention y2k at all, I'd be off the fast track of managment!I'm not sure if what I purchased is enough or the right things. I'm rambling so I end. Anyone else ever feel a tad confused?

-- quietly (quietly@preparing.com), August 20, 1999.

Overly Pessimistic? What in the heck does that really mean? Koskinen now catagorizes the Navy as being of the doomer mentality? We can now rate the Navy as Apocolyptic whackos? The Navy just put this out to panic the people? In the era of Clintonspeak I seem to shake my head a lot and screammmmmm!!!!!!!

-- LG (mimesis@webtv.net), August 20, 1999.

The stock market will take no notice of this at this point. There may be some cautionary selling later on in the fall but this is far too early and people are far too avaricious to worry about it now. As long as the cash registers are merrily chinging along, the market will stay up.

-- cody varian (cody@y2ksurvive.com), August 20, 1999.

Heres Michael Hyatts comments and a heads-up on his "alert". Don't know if it'll contain new info, but he says he has talked to Jim Lord since story broke. His site is michaelhyatt.com

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Michael Hyatt Administrator posted August 20, 1999 07:21 AM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- I spoke with Jim Lord by phone several times yesterday. He's one of the Y2K experts I respect the most. I have written a SPECIAL BULLETIN on this subject that I am going to send out to my e-mail subscribers later this morning. (Once it is proof-read.) The bottom line is that what we have feared all along is true: Koskinen and the Clinton administration have been systematically lying to us all along. Despite the fact that they know it's going to be bad (based on their own military intelligence reports) they have chosen to tell us there will only be minor disruptions.

I, for one, have had it. I don't like being lied to, and I don't like being treated like a child. These people need to be held accountable.

If the major media don't pick this story up and run with it in a major way, then it's because they are in collusion with the government. What else can you conclude?

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), August 20, 1999.

me too quietly. i am stocking up for six months plus trying to get some things that will help out my neighbors if i can. and i am sick to death of shopping--my kids, bless their hearts, are tired of carrying shopping bags but believe it or not they are GIs. i keep asking myself am i crazy. yet there is some still small voice inside that keeps pushing me to get it done. i am not sick of sharing the word however and passed out several packets in the last day. they were chuckling about me at the grocery store but then one clerk said, "would you mind bringing a packet by for me." they just don't hear the truth and it makes me so mad. they will have blood on their hands and you know what, they won't care. my prayer is that they will truly be confronted with what they have done.

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahoo.com), August 20, 1999.

Some will live and some will die. Once you have warned people around you, it is up to them to take the information and do something about it. Like some of you, I gave up 1-1/2 years ago trying to warn people. I got the wild-eyed looks from people, insults, and most steer clear of me. It's just as well, because I am under no obligation to help them when they come knocking on my door. I plan to give them the wild-eyed look and tell them to go join the herd down at the shelter.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), August 20, 1999.

quietly If y2k hits or not, your doing the right thing. The first argument of course is it's better to be prepared and nothing happen than not be prepared and all hell breaks loose. More importantly your thinking for yourself and not just following the crowd. That's a rare thing in this society, less and less people are thinking for themselves. You mention that you're on the fast track to management. That's terrific, I would love to see more independent thinkers in management, we would all be in better shape if that happened. As we use to say in the 60's, "Keep the faith baby".

-- Mabel Dodge (cynical@me.net), August 20, 1999.

IF, y2k turn,s out to be over a 3. & the public never wakes up. could there be a reason? we,re not aware of? SOMETHING BIGGER than man,s wisdom is needed here,---who will emerge--as--leader,s?

-- amazed. (dogs@zianet.com), August 20, 1999.

Thanks tt and Mabel.....I'm on vacation this week and next week. I organizing all of my y2k supplies. Did some ordering this past winter and stored it away (and don't remember what I ordered)...senior moment. Went to Academy & Walmart and picked up some other things yesterday.

QUESTION..forum readers? When are you filling your 55 gallons barrels?

-- quietly (quietly@preparing.com), August 20, 1999.

"Quietly" you must be in the Houston area from some of your comments on other threads. I am, too! There are actually quite a few people preparing in Texas. You mentioned Academy. Did you know they have been working mandatory overtime since June trying to keep up with the demand for Coleman stoves and cast iron Dutch ovens? Keep up the preps. Whatever happens, you will use the items anyway, right? Think of it as an investment. What you purchase now, you won't have to purchase later.

-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), August 20, 1999.

Quietly;

My barrels are full now, I change the water in them once a year. If you need the water, there may not be anything in the tap to fill them with. Beter now than never!

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), August 20, 1999.

I too have stopped talking to anyone about IT, except for a couple of people at work who feel as I do. My wife will only let us prepare because the preps are the same as for a major earthquake and she doesn't want to hear about it either. Has anyone thought that maybe the difference between the Navy report and Kos's opinion is that the Navy apparently was using hard information to make a determination and the Gov't (Kos) uses self-reported assurances? If the people used only hard data in making their minds up about the situation what would be the result? Yet, we are told that we are cynical alarmists when we don't believe the PR. I think the press has been mollified once again by Kos's response to the report. It will take more than this to increase awareness significantly.

-- John Robertson (mgrmos@aol.com), August 20, 1999.

Gayla: Hi, no I didn't know about Academy. I have a Volcano, but want to get something else for inside. Was thinking Petromax, or something I just saw in the Real Goods catalog that takes any kind of fuel. However, it's a bit expensive.

Helium: Good point. I have to figure out a way to fill the barrels without my neighbors seeing me. :-)

John: I'm in hurricane area, preparing is something I should have been doing.....

Thanks everyone for the reponses.

-- quietly (quietly@preparing.com), August 20, 1999.