Well Folks:

Here it is. Because you want to set aside extra food, you are considered a terrorist threat. This posting was taken from the Pollys 2, Doomers 0 thread:

They are still waiting for 1/1/00 before they can safely go and find a new outlet for their disdain of the world. I feel that it's just an inferiority complex and this is the way that these ineffectuals will ever attain any measure of power or fame. They wish for the end of the world because their God has promised them that they, being the "meek", shall inherit it. What they don't understand is that nobody is going to want a world that is war torn, savaged by revolution, mourning the deaths of millions, and on the brink of extinction. And who is going to want to live in a world that is being run by "the meek".

These people are dangerous and are a threat to society and freedom. While they sit in their Y2K bunkers anxiously anticipating TEOTWAWKI they hatch plans to bring down the "gubmint" and take over... where? Well, they haven't quite got that part figured out just yet, whcih makes them all tha much more incompetant and ineffectual.

The Doomers need to be closely examined by the FBI, starting now. These people pose a real threat to our freedom and should be considered terrorists for inciting people to rebel against the USA and threaten EVERYONE'S freedom.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 22, 1999.

So Tinfoils/Doomers/Preparers, if this person has his way you might be on your way to a concentration camp.

-- Alarmed (alarmedtinfoil@helpme.com), August 22, 1999

Answers

And, from over at DeBunker:

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum= 935332882&P=Yes&TL=935328716

That Will Continue is a real lunkhead, as are most of the stinkbomb 2000 forum regulars. I am realy sick of the apocalyptacism and fear mongering. I am going to really get on their cases after 1/1/00.

We are talking about people who REALLY HATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! And number 1.) They want to see the whole thing brought down, and number 2.) THEY HAVE NO PLANS FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT.

If the Doomers and tinfoils had their way then we would be at the mercy of every communist county and pseudo communist country in the world. With no central government we would all be exterminated and 9 out of 10 Doomers thinks that is just fine (because they will be safe from the horror in their little Y2K bunkers).

CPR, WE NEED YOU TO KEEP MAKING THAT LIST AND WRITING DOWN NAMES, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS AND THEY ARE A REAL THREAT TO SOCIETY IN AMERICA AND OUR FREEDOM.

Those dumb bastards just don't know what it would mean if our country was to go into civil war all over again while trying to change our central government. We would be finished, KAPUT, SAYONARA!! Red China would march all over the USA faster than you could say Rice Carolina. BUT THE DOOMERS DON'T CARE!!!!, ALL THEY CAN SEE IS THAT OUR "GUBMINT AIN'T NO GOOD", so they think that the only answer is to destroy the WHOLE THING!!

REPEAT, THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS, THEY ARE ANTI-AMERICAN, AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE STRIKE IN THE NEW YEARS WHEN THEIR FAILED DOOMSDAY SCENARIOS DON'T MATERIALIZE, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTEMIST, WHACKO, TERRORISTS THAT ARE STOCKPILING FOR A REVOLUTION.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE DOWNFALL OF FREEDOM UNLESS THEY ARE KEPT UNDER CLOSE SCRUTINY BY THE FBI, DEA, CIA, ATF, ETC. AND SO ON.

KEEP THAT LIST OF NAMES HANDY CPR!!

Doomers @ Suck.Com

(does anyone else se the twisted irony in those last two lines? I thought so.))

-- (dot@dot.dot), August 22, 1999.

I think old suck just forgot to take his medication, and should switch to decaf.

-- Bill (tinfoil@sombrero.com), August 22, 1999.

Sorry, the URL is wrong. It's "Re: Unbelievable Thread (PAGING CPR) (Doomers @ Suck.Com) (22-Aug-1999 10:41:22)"

-- (dot@dot.dot), August 22, 1999.

Now go change your Huggies and go get a grip. Doomers Suck has about as much chance at being heard by anyone as I have being crowned Miss America.

Seems to me, with only a little over 4 months to go, there's plenty of real stuff to worry about.

Good night, kiddies.

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 22, 1999.

Wow!

That Doomers Suck guy is scary. Sounds like another up and coming Timothy McVeigh, only from the leftist perspective. Talk about guilt by association. I don't have grenades in my house. Don't want to go through the end of civilization. I guess people like him don't understand that everyone is different.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 22, 1999.

That Doomers Suck guy is scary. Sounds like another up and coming Timothy McVeigh, only from the leftist perspective.

HEY!

Don't blame that "Doomers Suck" guy on those of us who lean to the left on our politics....he sounds more right wing to me.

-- Mabel Dodge (cynical@me.net), August 23, 1999.

Uhm. Mabel:

I stand corrected (blush). But do you think that conservatives would want to be identified with this guy? If the left doesn't want him, and the right doesn't want him....

-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 23, 1999.

This is a very interesting turn of events. If TSHTF, the UNPREPARED hungry, thirsty, cold POLLYS will be the ones to cause trouble. I really feel sorry for their kids.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

Sorry, he's too late - the head of the FBI's domestic terrorism task force declared as early as Sept last year to the LA Times that they were going to target "church groups" and other radicals "in the NorthWest" who were preparing for y2k.

But it's it funny that the only people who want to take freedoms away are the professional polly preparedness league of Clinton defenders?

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), August 23, 1999.

Bill, I agree - D.S. just needs to take a pill - like a "normal" person. :^) Pollies don't need to worry that doomers are "dangerous and are a threat to society and freedom" if they are also "incompetent and ineffectual". That's like saying the Marx brothers will bring about the New World Order. The paranoia here is not from the doomers.

As for bringing down the government, that takes up too much energy and I have better things to do than duel somebody for power. However, if anybody insists, then I choose cream pies at 10 paces.

--splat--

Just practicing.

-- Margaret (janssm@aol.com), August 23, 1999.

The only groups here in the NW I know about that are preparing for a change in the government are the Republicans!! :) The churches are busy holding car washes for their youth groups since the sun is actually shining here!! Doomers up here are those that are worried about the proposed urban growth boundry being expanded in their neighborhood!! The FBI should watch those folks since they may block the freeway on-ramps with their mini-vans!

-- Watcher (watcher@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

To D.S. you sound like joesph Gorbles the famous nazi propogandist. Wake up and smell the coffee. They arent going to fix the y2k in time. The govt will cease because of it's own dishonesty and corruption. When you damage the trust and confidence of 260 million people who placed their families safety in your hands, and y2k turns out to be real bad, you can bet there will some be big changes comming. They hand it all, but they sold ours and childrens birthright and future for a lousy piece of corporate crusty bread. If they want to stay around after the rollover they need to do right by J.Q public now. The Facts about were we stand in the remediation effort. If it's bad whats the plan to minimize the suffering. They have just worked on the bigest I.T systems in the world, they know exactly what were facing. they need to stop B.S ing the public or they are just going to make it worse.

-- y2k awre mike (y2k aware mike @ conservation . com), August 23, 1999.

I would say old sucky needs to sit down and READ (if it can) the constitution. We as a Americans, are MANDATED by that noble document to CHANGE the government by FORCE if it becomes necessary. I am not saying it is, but it is getting close!

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), August 23, 1999.

I personally am anxiously awaiting sucky's return. He's due for 'another' truce around here, and I miss his valuable contributions to the forum (sniff). I'm always open to be wrong about my suggestion that leopards seldom change their spots....

Robert is correct (as usual). One more request of the federal government to monitor preparers, and we'll be headed into an area of overkill. The hard-core Polly crowd have been screaming from the rooftops frantically since last year for this. It's a panic reaction.

Doomers@suck will be relieved to know that a 40 year old hairbender, with two kids, living on 10 acres, with a big mouth and alot of eggs, has no intention of overthrowing our sterling government with a pitchfork. I use the M1 Abrams, stored in my barn, for plowing fields.

:)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 23, 1999.

Why does doomer@suck write and sound like ole Chuckie P Ruben in cognito? The writing is very similiar to other writing by ole chuckie especially with the CAPS. I guess he lost his meds and the decaf machine is broken. DO you hear me chuckie????

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), August 23, 1999.

This thread brings to mind this maxim of law: If you have a good case, state the facts; If you have a bad case, quote the law; If you have no case, name call.

-- susan (number9@mindspring.com), August 23, 1999.

Will continue,

What is a hairbender?

-- mabel (mabel_louise@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

Right-wingers are called "terrorists"

Left-wingers are called "activists".

Any questions??

-- CygnusXI (noburnt@toast.net), August 23, 1999.

"all change comes at the end of a barrel"-Mao zedong

-- apokoliptik (apokoliptik@large.com), August 23, 1999.

Hey FLAME AWAY,

The chief law enforcement officer of the country is fined $90,000 for contempt of a federal court for lying under oath and nobody blinks.

To whom does the government belong? It certainly no longer belongs to the people.

-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), August 23, 1999.

Well, isn't that special.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Mabel :

A hairbender is a cosmetologist, beautician, beauty operator. A danger to society and the American way. Blow-dryer quick draw artists. Some with little experience and no talent could bring down the Federal Government overnight.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 23, 1999.

GASP....I just glimpsed 'spots' running through this thread, did you see that?

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 23, 1999.

Here it is. Because you want to set aside extra food, you are considered a terrorist threat.

No, because a few dozen of you nitwits get together and scream about how the govenments are always lying to us, and how they can never be trusted, and how they are just horrible, mean nasty people for not reporting gory, nightmarish scenarios about Y2K to the people. And how THE ONLY way to change anything is to tear down the entire government sand start over again. That is what makes you people UN- American, and a threat to freedom.

Yes, even hairdressers can be part of the idiocy, in her own little way.

But I know what is going on here...

The GPS thing was a total bust for you doomers, and now your having a troll bashing party to pass the time. I am sure you will get even more rabid, and foam at the mouth even more as the days tick away and NOTHING happens.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

"few dozen of you nitwits"

Like who DS? Name some names.

Do you mean people like me that aren't all that happy with our government these days? Or do you mean the whole Libertarian party?
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

I'm quite certain I couldn't begin to 'foam' to the extent you have, rabies breathe.

You win, hands down!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 23, 1999.

"But do you think that conservatives would want to be identified with this guy? If the left doesn't want him, and the right doesn't want him...."

-- haha (haha@haha.com)

...and if the middle doesn't want him...there's no place for him to go but to a mental hospital, where the real outcasts belong.

-- Chris (%$^&^@pond.com), August 23, 1999.

There is a Doomers list at Deja.com that lists HUNDREDS of doomers who have been spouting off about all sorts of Critical Dates that have not come to pass.

I don't have it handy but I'm sure if you asked nicely over at debunky they'd gladly e-mail it to you.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Funny - that's the only "claim to fame" that a few million hippies, yippies, communists, and Democrats did during their RIOTS, demonstrations, civil disobedience, treason, and class warfare did back in the sixties - seems now they are being praised for these riots and demonstrations for opposing the vietnam war.

<>

This to CPR and his cohorts:

Except I notice ONE small change: the hippies are in charge now, and don't like being opposed by a few conservatives: but "their" immoral government , who has revoked the laws and is now trying to revoke civil liberties like privacy and freedom from covert government observation and is using the IRS and FBI to attack its opponents, this immoral government has declared that the opposition (its own citizens) are terrorists. But these citizens are NOT advocating illegal and criminal acts, unlike the Clinton administration did in the sixties, seventies and early ninties, is doing now, and plans on continuing to do.

Gee - Mao, Hitler, and Stalin did that too. They declared their own citizens terrorists and arrested them. And the German administration played along, just like you are playing along. Because it is easier that way isn't it? Far easier to be a hypocrit than to be a patriot. Far easier to call names and decry what you are afraid of, using a compliant media to spread your propaganda, than to look at the truth.

But you see, you are blindly, irrationally afraid of the truth - I don't know why, but you appear to be reduced to a quivering, name-calling marionette who cannot think on his own. One who has never been to discuss the possible outcomes in trms of engineering, designs, systems, or programming.

But always you are only able to resort to names, to hatred, and to displays of your fear.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), August 23, 1999.

So CygnusXI,

What ARE the Y2K middle-grounders called?

Transformers?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

Suck, I don't wish to see a wholesale collapse of society. In fact, I've never been a religious person, but for over a year I have prayed every night that I am wrong and that somehow the mess I feel we're soon to be in will be mitigated. I do not share Milne and A's desire for a revolution and I will obey the law as best I can. I do not agree with a good bit of what the government says, but its still the best country in the world. But half of this country thought the same thing just a few generation ago, and it was not enought to prevent a bloody civil war.

Contrary to the way you have stereotyped me, I am a happy and successful individual. However, I have always tended to be pessimistic on economic and technology issues, and the future I envision is not rosy. I cannot in good conscious make statements like "The stock market is strong. Invest in the new economy." "Y2K has been fixed. It will be of no consequence to practically everyone." "China wouldn't dare attack Taiwan. No one would be crazy enough to use waepons of mass destruction" "Global warming is a hoax. The world can easily handle billions more people."

I am a fairly liberal person, but am now conservative in some views such as gun control. Maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but I really feel that society is out of kilter, and unfortunately I think that it will be receiving a "master reset command" very shortly.

I have no desire to disinfect my drinking water, brandish firearms or eat beans from a bucket. But my late father, when told he had inoperable cancer, had no desire to be injected with toxic fluid and beamed with flesh killing radiation either. Sometimes that's just the way it is. Denial that a serious problem exists is one of the main reasons why the fall is going to be so painful.

The main difference between pollies and most doomers, Suck, is that pollies pray they are right, and doomers pray they are wrong.

-- a (a@a.a), August 23, 1999.

I could perhaps comments that the "pollies" who most fervently support the administration can't pray, because their civil religion forbids any higher power but "The bueacracy who art in Washington and the liberals who are her champion..."

'Tis my opinion that the administration (and those who so zealously support its lack of morals) is more religiously anti-religion than most people are serious about religion.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), August 23, 1999.

"So of course I hope Y2K will bring down the system, I have hoped for this my entire adult life"

-Gary North

Nope, doomers pray they are right, that is why they are doomers. if you aren't one of them then you shouldn't be upset when I use the handle Doomerssuck. If you are upset, they you just might be a Doomer. Face it, they do suck, and there are way too many of them that gravitate to this forum because it has become a symbol of rebellion and revolution.

Personally I am also very successful, thanks to the country of America where people like me can become wealthy and successful. I don't have much to rebel against so that is why I am a polly. Look at all the OT threads that have to do with Klinton, the NWO, Gun Control, etc. etc. and you can see this is a forum for rebels, and not a forum aimed at understanding and preparing for Y2K. Basically the formula is Bad News=good, Good News=bad. It's the bizzaro world of the internet where peace is a bad thing and widespread catastrophe is the only way to be truly at peace. Look at Andy and all his OT crap about Gold. Where does that fit in to Y2K? Nowhere, other than the fact that he fancies himself as some sort of gold baron post 1/1/00. For every Gary North there are three Andy, and for every Andy there are ten Doomer flunkies. That is what perpetuates this Apocalyptacism, the FEAR of y2k, not the REALITY.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Hey Doomer Suck:

Many thanks for your delusional postings. They are good for a laugh. After you arrest doomers, then what? Jews? African- Americans? American Indians? American Arabs? The 'thought process' in your paranoid, delusional mind must be: "...so many minorities...so little time...so little room in my concentration camps...".

Sorry Doomer Suck. I don't plan to be a victim of your 'Son of Sam' bloodlust. Perhaps you can find other groups that will share your twisted view of the world.

Adios Doomer Suck. Or should I say...."sieg heil"?

-- General Patton (GeneralPatton@warishell.com), August 23, 1999.

Now THAT is delusional.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Gosh (Doomers@suck.com)... when do you have "time" to sell real estate? <> "You can see this is a forum for rebels, and not a forum aimed at understanding and preparing for Y2K."

No, "Doomers" read... under ABOUT...

"This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people..."

The global topic of Year 2000 problems has expanded here at TBY2K to include many related, inter-dependent, and not so related topics... being discussed by people from ALL strata of society... including lot's of dot gov's and dot mils (some of the penultimate "doomers" IMHO).

When you attempt to "tar" everyone with the same label, you only end up smearing yourself.

Take a bath. Relax. Go "home."

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

Or... just "observe" the Prep Forum... our sister site...

TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Preparation Forum (Y2K Prep Only Discussions)

http:// www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic= TimeBomb%202000%20%28Y2000%29%20Preparation%20Forum

;-D

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

Doomer Suck:

THIS is delusional:

The Doomers need to be closely examined by the FBI, starting now. These people pose a real threat to our freedom and should be considered terrorists for inciting people to rebel against the USA and threaten EVERYONE'S freedom.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 22, 1999.

In YOUR OWN WORDS.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), August 23, 1999.

"This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people..."

And I suppose this thread does the ABOVE?

No this serves a much sinsiter purpose, to debunk the debunkers, and keep the doomsquad on red alert.

You and Chuck,... two egocentric, canting, deceiving, deceptive, double-dealing, pharasiacal, pretentious, unctuous, assholes!!

I won't take a bath but you can go soak your head.

-- (Doomers(you)@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Uhm Doomer Suck:

You refer to yourself as a debunker? What facts have you brought? Name calling? Get over yourself dude. I don't have rocket launchers at my house. Threats to society? Are you really so paranoid that you think that anyone who stores a little food and water is a threat to society? What planet are you from?

Your name-calling is seen by everyone as nothing more than a diversion away from the fact that you really have nothing meaningful to offer to this discussion. Name-calling is the last resort of people desperate to divert attention away from the non-sensical arguments that they make.

Wake us up when you have something meaningful to offer. Or just go back to reading your copy of "Mein Kampf".

-- General Patton (GeneralPatton@warishell.com), August 23, 1999.

I just debunked the heck out of your beloved Moderators for starters.

But your right, hang around pigs long enough and you start to smell like crap. I guess I'll go.

And what the hell is this nonesense about Mein Kamph and Seig Heil? You prejudiced against Germans or something?

Don't feel compelled to answer unless you feel like you haven't made a large enough ass out of yourself for one day. Then by all means type away and remove all doubt.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Thanks for the mention Sysman, I had no idea you noticed. You all want a truce from me? Fine, you got it. I'll only lurk here from now on and add only intelligent, civil posts to your threads. It totally goes against my grain but in the spirit of peace then I'll stop with the trolling. My only sarcastic remarks will come in the form of my handle. I hope those of you who know it applies to will include it into whatever else I might write. Take it from me I wasn't trolling out of the blue. I've been around here for a long time and I have a history with this forum under other names but since I changed my tune I figured why not change my handle as well.

So there you have it. An acceptance of your "truce" from a Junior Programmer. But remember Sysman I worked on aircraft (twin engines) for over ten years and if nothing else I've learned how to tell which way the wind blows, so to speak.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), July 23, 1999.

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), August 23, 1999.

mabel: Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 23, 1999.

Lists? Keep lists? What kind of "government" keeps lists, and just what do you propose to do with these lists and these "dangerous" people? This is protecting America? And you wonder where the reference to Mein Kampf came from?

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), August 23, 1999.

These folks are MORE than pollies, they're the next generation of quislings. If y2k gets real bad they will be the folks screaming the loudest for government assistance. They will also be the ones turning in their neighbors for having had the common sense to provide for thier loved ones.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 23, 1999.

Hey Sysman, sorry I forgot to declare an offical end-truce. There is nothing worth salvaging here and I won't be civil in a group of low brow savages that think LAWKI is coming to an end in four months, and who use the appearance of Comets to back their theories up.

Consider this Junior Programmer your "enemy" from now on. Okey Dokey?

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Suck, I can't wait to get your squirrely ass TOSed.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 23, 1999.

DoomerSucker:

You give us entertainment. For that we owe you a great debt of gratitude. With regard to debunking, since when does name-calling and wanting people classified as terrorists considered debunking? Are you that stupid to consider this debunking?

Per your theory about the intentions of this thread, rest easy. This thread is not intended to discredit debunkers. Nobody intelligent would consider your posts as credible debunking posts. The Mein Kampf and Sieg Heil references certainly are not intended as epithets against Germans. Unlike you, who wants all doomers classified as terrorists working to destroy the USA, the intelligent people here know that great numbers of Germans did not support the nazis.

The Doomers need to be closely examined by the FBI, starting now. These people pose a real threat to our freedom and should be considered terrorists for inciting people to rebel against the USA and threaten EVERYONE'S freedom.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 22, 1999.

"The Doomers". Nice blanket statement nazi.

-- General Patton (GeneralPatton@warishell.com), August 23, 1999.

If your not a Doomer then you shouldn't be upset. There are people out there who are currently planning on using the new years as a base of terrorist operations. Extortion plots, bomb threats, who-knows what else. And since when did I say that people who stock up on food are terrorists? I said anyone who is publicly crying out for the violent overthrow of the government is a threat to freedom and should be considered anti-american. But since you don't like me, you assume that I hate everyone and I consider everone who isn't me a Doomer. That is where you are totally wrong and that is where you are showing your monumental ignorance.

Plenty of people here have already said they they will shoot first and ask questions later if anybody, official or not comes knocking on their doors after 1/1/00. Especially if, God forbid, they ask to come inside. These are the people who will be still waiting for someone to come and arrest them long after 1/1/00. These are the "Doomers" who want nothing more than to see an armed rebellion against the Federal Government, Klinton, and The NWO... hopefully in the midst of Y2K related failures.

If you have something against ME, for having something against THEM, then your probably the kind of person who thinks it would be swell to see another little civil war going on, to "free" the working class. Just a little strife to "put the government back on track".

And you can stop with the juvenile nazi remarks... because I'm not a nazi, neither was anyone in my family.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Fair Enough. Glad you clarified your position. I don't want civil war either. And if it comes to some people using this as a reason to destroy society, I will fight them to the death. Will you? Not picking a fight, but at times your tone has been inflammatory, don't you think? Perhaps I've been reading something into your remarks, but it seems that you lumped some folks into categories where they don't belong. Very few people who are preparing want societal breakdown. If Gary North wants it, then I would consider him an extremist.

-- General Patton (GeneralPatton@warishell.com), August 23, 1999.

Kudos, DS, you really have the party line well memorized. (For those who don't know, the author of the following, Charles P. Reuben, a Texas real estate salesperson, is the cheerleader over at the Bonkers website where Doomers Suck and other trolls go to get their attaboys or attagirls.)

Actually, there is a body of thought that there is far more to it than you may want to believe. Tuesday, 13-Jul-1999 12:42:19

151.164.58.12 writes:

We have come a long way from the days of de Jager and the UK lists debating the proper method of remediation for Y2k or the nuances of the PC Bios and PC software programs. That happened in Spring, 1998 when the North/Yourdon/Misslers and others "politicized" the Y2k story and put it into the Public Domain.

Naive techies like me were blindsided and even today, I can't believe the extent to which they have permeated the Debate. They even pay lip service to the "preparers" with the US "community Conversations" which is nothing more than a PR concession to the Core Liberals around D.C. and GWU.

Much of it is "smoke and mirrors" for those who know there will be a 2001 and even now are moving onto Cyber-Terrorism as the Closing argument to"prepare".

The word "Prepare" is an all out buzz word for the Survivalists mentality. It covers every part of their beliefs. It has for 20 years. Y2k is merely the latest version of these types whether Left or Right.

IT IS THEIR RECRUITMENT BUZZ WORD. Once into their clutches you are dealing with "True Believers". The Y2k sites like EY and GN's forums are merely the tip of an iceberg of a very small sliver of our society but they still number in the millions across the US and Canada and the NET allows them to RECRUIT MEMBERS and Propagate their "ideas". That is, of course, their right. We are trapped by our own beliefs into allowing them to do that by granting them (especially Brer North) the right to preach all sorts of anti-First ideas and even anti-US Constitutional ideas. When they depart from the lawful, then and only then are they accountable. And in a strange way, the PROVE that the First Ten Amendments do work. The fine line between those who really want to support the Constitution and those who would use its freedoms to bring it down is where all must be on their guard.

It is not an idle online term to call the Sedition-istic: the Viet Cong. They truly hope to inspire a mass movement cloaked with words like: "reform the Government", "reform the Churches and restore God in our Schools", end the taking of innocent lives (whether abortion or Dr. Jack style) etc.

What is clear to all "Extremist watchers" from the Good Militia members and the FBI to the groups that monitor such things is this: the REALLY DANGEROUS never surface. They work privately and off line and use multiple screen names that their friends know but few others.

Most of the public ones many are familiar with wouldn't (couldn't) harm a fly. North is a great example. He is a figure to be laughed at but WATCHED because his views are deployed by the Truly Dangerous who in reality,,,,,,"Do not play by the Rules" (and have no desire to do so).

For over 2 years,I have been trying to answer the question why would anyone "prepare" for unknown impacts from Y2k far in advance of the possible problems??

That has been going on for at least since North and YurToast-Ed have been spinning the news.

I have seen some studies about other forms of "how Extremist recruit".

Suffice it to say that part of the techniques are PRECISELY what we see on EY's Flying Pig Board.

It is a deliberate effort to include only like minded people. Even a Flint is scorned if he does not "toe the mark".

WHY?

The answer lies in what might be happening OFF LINE.

There a "newbie" who survives the equivalent of the Cyber Hell Week and adjusts to the framework of TB2k is "ready" for innoculations of more extremist material.

This is not a supposition. THIS IS EXACTLY how people fall into Extremist movements (or any movement for that matter).

THE REAL Extremist sites can be found layers away from Y2k boards but they are fed the URLs through TB2k and C.Sissy2k.

Consider the posts on EY that we sneer at about the Conspiracy theorists, the Gold Bugs, the Anti-NWO people and the host of others all VERY NICELY PLANTED THERE for Consumer Consumption.

It is a foregone conclusion that ANYONE WHO WOULD SEND MONEY TO A P.O. BOX FOR the "Real Truth' that can only be told now,,,,, is a candidate for this.

NORTH ADMITS IT. He BRAGS, "I write for the REMNANT" who will prepare and thus will survive. It was a surprise that people knew more about Gary North when he started his Y2k efforts. To me, he was an unknown. To Religious Leaders he was a known Far out CRANK. He admits it. He makes jokes about it. BUT ...."they" knew him. If you go to his "general discussion forum" you will see many old posts to the effect: "I have known Gary North for a long time".

These same people advocate some views that the Vast Majority would only term: "Extreme". It is identifiable at once.

cpr

And cpr has posted about how he has files of unacceptables who post here at Timebomb 2000 and how he thinks they should be reported to the FBI. Seems to me the Debonkers consider us either recruiters or recruitees--dangerous brainwashing wackos or irresponsible brainless gullibles who need keepers (keepers like the Debonkersm of course), and may have already reported us to the FBI.

I consider this another serious attempt at intimidating posters here and justification for a complaint to the appropriate ISPs. Could someone trace the number above and the number DS uses to post here and make those complaints?

-- Troll- (watching@the.bridge), August 23, 1999.

Hmm, as far as I can remember it is still a crime to speak out against your government with the sole intention of a violent overthrow.

Let me ask you this "troll", where do you think such anti-government movements start? That's right, underground. Back in the 1960's they'd use mimeographs to belt out a few hundred flyers to tack on bulletin boards of college universities.

Now we have the internet where getting your message out is free. There is an obvious, anti-federal element to the this particular forum that can only be desribed as violent. People "prepping" by buying many guns and thousands of rounds of ammo. People forming small armed "community action" teams in case of problems due to Y2k (or is it because of Y2K?). People trying to rally other "like minded individuals" who think that the central government has no right to even exist much less levy any taxes against them or tell them which laws to obey.

I think I have every right to debunk, disrupt and flush out the hard core extremists. But all I do is type. Just little words that seem to get these people into such a tizzy. If you don't have anything to worry about from the FBI then why are so many people (especially the person who started this thread) so opposed to the FBI monitoring this place and the people who post here.

If they could stop one nut from hatching a plan to bomb/sabotage some industry, corporation, or business then I say let them watch, take down names, and make lists.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 23, 1999.

Well DS:

One question I would ask you is where does it stop? Monitor here, then monitor anyone who references Gary North or others? Guilt by association? I don't for one minute think that everyone in the FBI or ATF is lily-white pure. The Ruby Ridge and Waco fiascos are examples of that. Vicki Weaver gets her head blown off for the terrible crime of being married to Randy Weaver and holding her ten month old child in her arms. What a terrible crime. To be sure, the FBI has its strengths and I am not opposed to recognizing them. But the $3 million dollars of taxpayer money given to Randy Weaver for his wife's death certainly is a blot on the FBI. Also note that the judge sternly lectured the FBI for its 'shoot first' policy. And these are the guys you want monitoring us? Give me a break. Let's see the FBI bring Vicky Weaver back from the dead. Then come and talk to me. They didn't even have the balls to throw the gutless piece-of-shit sniper in jail for blowing Weaver away. Code of silence. Who is the FBI gonna blow away next?

As far as CPR, it seems like he needs a laxative. If he wants to find menaces to society, perhaps he should look at Vicky Weaver's murderers. Oh, they wear a badge. No problem. Let em' kill. It's okay, just as long as they wear a badge.

-- General Patton (GeneralPatton@warishell.com), August 23, 1999.

I'll tell you what. I don't think anyone who prepares by stocking up for emergencies is a terrorist. But a lot of what I've read here, especially over the last few months concerns and offends me a lot.

People talking about murdering via a lynch mob elected representatives. People advocating the violent overthrow of our government. People WANTING TSTHTF and TEOTWAWKI so they can think/say "there, those people got what was comeing to them (they think differently than I do)".

I ask you, how much difference is there between this mentality and that of Tim McViey, or any other terrorist types. I think I'm seeing the seedlings here spouting off as they sprout up. Wonder if anyone here spouting such anti-American and anti-civilization puke will go bonkers and actually "strike out" against TPTB? Sadly, with what I've read, I wouldn't put it past many who post here. Forget the loss of innocent life or pain to our social fabric -- hey it's just "casualties of war" and "the sheeple getting what they deserve", right INVAR, Will Continue, and you other sh#@ head people needing a BIG mental enema?

Imagine if Y2K is a dud, but there is an ice storm and the electric goes off. Do you not think many here will not be "smart" enough to see thru this "government ruse and plot" to get them to come out of their bunkers/retreats? Pity the poor person who knocks on their door in such a situation. Can you hear the gunfire sending bullets thru the door? Sadly, I don't think it's all that unlikely for lots of those here. After all, it was the "evil gubmint" coming to take me to that NWO camp! Or to take my preps! or to force me from my home due to the ice storm or whatever lie they want to use to cover up the REAL cause -- Y2K!!! I know better!!! I learned better on TB2000. Pathetic.

-- NOYB (NOYB@NOYB.com), August 23, 1999.

NYOB:

The fringe elements represent a small group of people who do not speak for the majority of us. Most people here have come to get input from others, not to look for fellow malcontents who want to start a civil war. If you wish to consider them as representative of the majority here, then that is your choice. They certainly do not speak for me.

-- cynic (cynic@skeptic.com), August 23, 1999.

Dear Cynic,

Thank you for your reply. I don't know what percentage of people here are in the extremist anti-gobmint group, but there are way too many from what I've read over the last few months. I've been around here for a year. Keep in mind it only takes ONE Tim McViey type to rent a Ryder truck! I'm thinking next Janurary if Y2K is a BITR and soom delusional doomer dummy is mad as hell at the world and most of those in it for not ending on queue -- and embarassing them!!!

Sadly, I'm thinking the hate post I see here are "spillover" from a VERY FULL CUP OF HATE. Sad, really sad. One is too many. Unfortunately, there seem to be several of them here who regularly advocate the violent overthrow of the government and hope for civil disorder as an excuse to be a terrorist -- I mean "patriotic", defending the constitution and all that -- you know the puke mentality. INVAR, WillContinue@DUMB.A$$, ect.

-- NOYB (NOYB@NOYB.COM), August 23, 1999.

DS - I did not speak and have never spoken out against any government "with the sole intention of a violent overthrow." Please reproduce here all the posts containing these scenarios of which you speak from the thousands and thousands of these fora's archived posts, so that we might calculate the percentage emanating from the extremists you obviously believe dominate the Timebomb 2000 fora. You do have files to back up your insinuations, do you not? And you have traced the posters' IPs to be sure they are not merely posts from disruptive persons, have you not?

You say, "I think I have every right to debunk, disrupt and flush out the hard core extremists." From this assertion I take it you are a crusading behavioral psychologist with a specialty in identifying extremists on these fora. After you reveal what must be fascinating credentials, would you please give us your psychological assessment of cpr?

You ask, " . . . why are so many people (especially the person who started this thread) so opposed to the FBI monitoring this place and the people who post here." Speaking for myself, my opposition is to self-appointed zealots, such as yourself and cpr, threatening unblemished posters here with turning over lists of names to the FBI - unspecified names of people who, in all probability are completely innocent of the label that polly missionaries, in their infinite contorted wisdom, paste upon them.

"If they could stop one nut from hatching a plan to bomb/sabotage some industry, corporation, or business then I say let them watch, take down names, and make lists." Please paste here all the posts from these fora's thousands and thousands of archived posts wherein are contained such plans. You have, of course, traced the posts to their source, so that you are certain beyond a reasonable doubt that same were not placed by disruptive persons, have you not?

If you have incontrovertible evidence of your invidious insinuations, let it see the pure light of day; alternately, if you have only suspicions biased by your own turgid mindset, then kindly do not waste our (or the FBI's) time.

Innocent until proven guilty - paste here the proof beyond a reasonable doubt and let us have no more unsupported charges.

-- Troll- (watching@the.bridge), August 23, 1999.

I'd like to personally thank each and every participant of 'the dark side', for every single comment they've provided.

They have managed to make me appear far more credible , in one thread, than any Doomer could ever hope for. After the example you have set here, people will be seeking my words of wisdom on an International scale. LOL

Of course, you guys won't be left out of the fame and glory! Offers to promote Prozac should begin streaming in. Zoloft tours, perhaps a whole new line of fashionable straight-jackets and coordinating, self- stick zippers for foreheads! Fabulous Spring line, not too flashy, with just a smattering of doom. Perhaps it could be called, 'FB-EYE'. How about developing a new scent? 'Delusion'. If they'd allow Charles Manson to do some ads with you, you'd make a killing.

:)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 24, 1999.

Thank you Mr. Suck and NYOB for illustrating with perfect clarity that Amerika has now officially become a Nazi state according to your definitions.

To Wit: "Hmm, as far as I can remember it is still a crime to speak out against your government with the sole intention of a violent overthrow. "

So much for Freedom of Speech and Expression.

So much for freedom of the press.

To hell with the REASON the Second Ammendment exists in the Constitution of The United States of America.

Your knowledge of this nation's Foundings and it's documents are totally absent. You sirs are idiots, willful and ignorant.

Again, another brilliant example of the failure of the Public School System to teach accurate American History.

Expressing the beliefs written in the Constitution is now treasonous.

But there's more:

>>>"Sadly, I'm thinking the hate post I see here are "spillover" from a VERY FULL CUP OF HATE. Sad, really sad. One is too many."<<<

So much for the "Diversity" crap you folks hold in such high regard. Diverse opinion is something you obviously will not tolerate. Hitler also said "One Jew is one Jew too many".

So in today's Amerika we have : "One Doomer is one too many".

>>" Unfortunately, there seem to be several of them here who regularly advocate the violent overthrow of the government and hope for civil disorder as an excuse to be a terrorist -- I mean "patriotic", defending the constitution and all that -- you know the puke mentality. INVAR, WillContinue@DUMB.A$$, ect"<<

Well Mr. Asswipe, I have just a simple question:

"WHERE THE HELL DID WILL C. OR I ADVOCATE TERRORISM????"

"WHERE ON ANY THREAD DID ANY FORUM REGULAR HERE SAY "I hope for civil disorder"???????

WE'RE TERRORISTS?????

BY PREPARING????

BY ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO PREPARE??

BY DISCUSSING OUR NATION'S HISTORY????

So in your own NAZI words you fucking prick, you state those that posess "patriotic" views (or those that match the Founders and the Constitutionalists) are really TERRORISTS!

THANK YOU for the demouguogery. Hitler would be proud of you! Stalin even more so!

Personally you make me sick. I vomit at the thought jackasses like you benefit from the freedom others have won in BLOOD - just so you have the freedom to SHIT all over everything they fought for so you can spout your Statist Bullshit without persecution.

Elitist bastards.

Defending and explaining the original intent and purpose of the Constitution and the Second Ammendement IS NOT INSURRECTION YOU SHIT- FOR-BRAINS!!!!

Hating an ideology and perhaps even HOPING for a disaster is now TERRORISTIC according to you numbskulls!

So now you advocate THOUGHT CRIMES!

George Orwell was WAAAY ahead of his time.

Perhaps he saw where public school and Liberalism would take this nation.

Right to the grave.

Pathetic.

You will hear no apology from the likes of me for my reading of our history, and the holding of it as sacred. I am willing to die for it, to die standing and a free man.

On the other hand I'm just astonied and beyond words to know that we've fallen so far from our priciples of freedom...that now to hold them, is to advocate rebellion.

Then so be it.

Give me Liberty or give me.....

...and I guess that's just what I'm going to get.

Shame on all of you for allowing this nonsensical bullshit espoused by DS and NYOB take root in our country.

I am truly crying now...in both utter disbelief and anger that our experiment in freedom is over.

I guess America is truly dead.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), August 24, 1999.

They fear my 'grab a rope and find a tree' comments will spark a Civil War. Hey guys? Do my 'stuff his cakehole full of Skoal' comments count to? Maybe I started this when I referred to him as Big Billy Bust-Bumper.

Damn. I sure do hope I haven't created a Revolution (as if anyone's AWAKE out there) "Grab your 401K plans and follow ME". (I feel rumbling)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 24, 1999.

You know...reading the entirety of some threads, is like watching a bad car wreck, in slow motion. This qualifies.

This is another one of those threads where most of the participants deserve a sound thrashing, before being sent off to bed, without their milk and cookies

Goodnight, kiddies.

-- Bokonon (bokonon@my-Deja.com), August 24, 1999.

Don't let the bedbugs bite!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 24, 1999.

UNfortunatley I went to bed long before INVAR stepped in with this nonesense. That part about being okay to violently overthrow your government is Free Speech is just hilarious, and sad. That is the kind of person whom I truly believe to be a threat to our freedom as a country.

And of course he calls me a nazi because I don't want to see our country torn apart from the inside.

That poster was right, it only takes one Tim McVeigh type to rent a Ryder and drive it into the world trade center building. Remember that? If this forum sparks one loony tunes to go and recreate the Armegeddon they feel that they so deserve then I feel that it is in the nation's best interest to keep tabs on extremists who vent their feelings openly on this forum.

Where does the monitoring end you ask? Well, right here. They monitor, they take notes about who is exhibiting the telltale signs of a violent protestor, for future evidence shold that person ever be indicted for a similar crime.

INVAR is just the type of person who is obviously grown a hatred for people who think that Federal Government does in fact have viable uses against terrorism. An in trying to debunk me he resorts to the age old BS about me being a nazi, and a dictator. But in fact all I'm saying is that IT IS a crime to speak out against your government with the sole intention of a violent overthrow.

There are better ways to change our current form of government without having to tear the whole thing down to the foundations and start over again.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 24, 1999.

And just a side note:

INVAR speaks alot about hate in his post. Well go back and reread that exclamation of hatred a little ways up the thread and you tell me who is carrying around a big old bag of hostility?

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 24, 1999.

the really funny part about this invar character is he thinks he knows what the constitution says. he cant read, God bless him anyway.

for some reason he thinks he has a right to own a gun when the constitution plainly says that 'well regulated militias' are the ones with the right to own guns. not individuals. all you have to do is read it. invar tends to want to translate things he reads to meet his own agenda. its as plain as the ass on his face.

justalurker

-- justalurker (justalurkin@freeworld.com), August 24, 1999.

It's also a crime to accept laundered 'bribes' from Communist countries during a Presidential campaign. Looking the other way as this same 'threat to America' steals our military secrets. Committing perjury, sexual assault, openly lying to the public you've sworn to represent, abuse of power, the personal use of government agencies to discredit and destroy any who oppose him, having FBI files on same persons and hundreds of others he 'suspects', distracting the country with military destruction in foreign lands in order to take some of the heat off of his seat, etc, etc, etc.

This criminal has provided more damage to MY country than anyone could EVER hope to repair with *A* vote. As a matter of fact, this country's population HAS voted him into office TWICE. You are every bit as blind and ignorant. It amazes me you possess the skill needed to chew food.

If you honestly believe the far too few voices of reason, logic and Patriotism may create the next terrorist strike, then there is little doubt who's paranoid around here. Why not blame video games or Hollywood? Small and pitiful. When dealing with the hateful, one tends to retaliate on the same level.

"Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!"

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 24, 1999.

Yeah but Clinton didn't kill 168 people in a deluded effort to bring down the Federal Government.

And once again, I never said Patriots are to be lumped together with Terrorists. You made that up, just like INVAR did. I don't have anything against people who want to be free of tyranny.

I do however have something against people who want to be free of tyranny by killing and commiting acts of terrorism. And in my opinion, people who blow up buildings and the people inside because they don't like the federal government are terrorists. And also, in my opinion, the mood of this forum is probably spawing thoughts in people that wouldn't ordinarily be there.

But of course, as par the cosmetoligists intelligence level, you attack me personally because YOUR not a terrorist and you THINK that I am accusing you of being one. And in misguided effort to debunk me you resort to calling me names and acting like I'm some sort of despot who wants to see all freedom of man crushed under my jackbooted heel.

But in reality I was talking about Doomers like Gary North and his flunkies, and the all too obvious tactics they are using to incite people to raise arms against the country they in which they live.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 24, 1999.

Yes, yes, yes.....I see your medication has nearly kicked in. The thread was introduced about a post of *yours*, which began with an attack on the members of this forum, I DID notice that *I* was the only member listed by name. We were then ALL thrown into your pile of dangerous, anti-American, extremist, whacko, terrorists.

As if Beavis wasn't bad enough....Butthead, calling himself NOYB, scampers in to suggest my jokes of 'grab your ropes and find a tree' are in fact, "People talking about murdering via a lynch mob elected representatives." Another Prozac moment.

You NOW attempt to imply that a lowley hairdresser would be of little concern to you, but apparently forgot THIS comment you made, " Yes, even hairdressers can be part of the idiocy, in her own little way."

When caught with your pants down, you can pull them back up with what's left of your dignity OR you can drop your boxers and flash the crowd VOID of any dignity at all. I see you've chosen the latter and I suggest it would be best for you to limp back to the same rock NOYB is hiding under, even as we speak.

I have said all that I intend to, on this subject. You are both paranoid schizophrenics, (or possibly the same person with multiple personalities) who suffer from the dilusion that *you* are Patriots.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), August 24, 1999.

Well now that you've said all you intend on this subject you can go back to being a lunkhead hairdresser. And if you recall correctly, I refered to you as a Lunkhead, not a terrorist. Maybe if you weren't such an incompetant lunkhead you'd be a good terrorist. But anyway, just keep thinking that your right and I'm wrong and you'll probably blame the government when some Y2Krackpot blows up your electric regulator station, and never consider that the source of infection lies within this forum of *limited* lunacy. Thank the powers that be that it's omnly words or who knows what kind of stupidity based fear you'd be spreading across the country.

-- (Doomers@suck.com), August 24, 1999.

DS, when you post the evidence for your previous assertions, I trust you will also post the evidence for the one you just made:

"...when some Y2Krackpot blows up your electric regulator station, and never consider that the source of infection lies within this forum of *limited* lunacy."

Is it possible that you hope to blame this forum for "infecting" you when you finally crack open and do something terrible? The "See what you made me do" defense is not as popular as it once was - unless you have lung cancer your lawyers can attribute to cigarette smoking, of course.

-- Troll- (watching@the.bridge), August 24, 1999.