This one definitely is worth a look. A lot of hard evidence is presented.

http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html

Hot Link

-- OT (off@topic.post), September 05, 1999

Answers

I spent 4-5 hrs the other night going over the detailed investigation conducted by the folks at that web site. It was devastating and mind- numbing! If this report gets any national play...heads will begin to roll. Reno's charade will wither in the face of this evidence!

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), September 05, 1999.

I just spent quite awhile skimming that site.

Most upsetting to me right now is the evidence of "body laundering". What other explanation is there for the mass dismemberment of so many people?

I don't even know what to think or believe right now, but I know this...if the government expects us to believe that the Davidians had time to shoot, kill, burn AND DISMEMBER each other, then they must really think we are STUPID SHEEPLE.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), September 05, 1999.

They are claiming that the first documentary was tantamount to a hoax and I can see now the logic in this...

Liberty - what say you...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 05, 1999.

I say everyone who cares about this matter should download this entire site, preferably print it out, and make copies of it for distribution to media, civic leaders, and members of the press.

Don't be a deer in the headlights - get into gear.

(big thanks for bringing this to my attention, Andy. This is the best I've seen so far).

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), September 06, 1999.

I think "spin" is more accurate than hoax. Sad.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), September 06, 1999.

thanks for the info and site, I would say I love it but it makes me sick.Freedom is a hard cookie when you have no teeth, I hate to say it but our country ...the people are getting weak. My saying in the new millinium will be "Remember Waco"

-- sandy (rstyree@brooksdata.net), September 06, 1999.

Check this out... (!)

http://www.sightings.com/politics4/wilcher.htm

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 06, 1999.

Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum

I am still in the process of reading the information. So far it is INTERESTING, as is the Sightings information. But I wonder that so far none of the people posting here who seem to be quite taken with the WACO story (including me), have previously seen this info. Is it:

1. You have just recently, because of the current trial, become interested in investigating the background of the story? or..

2. The information has only recently appeared (even though it supposedly was on the web before "Waco: Rules of Engagement" was made?

Supposedly the information was available from April 19, 1996 (3 years exactly after the seige), yet with all the conspiracy theory websites, Altavista only listed 6 links to http://ww w.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html, only one of them is from 1997 (and it no longer works), and the others are in '98 and '99. Just seems a little odd that this much research and documentation on a popular conspiracy topic would be so little known.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 06, 1999.

I did wonder that Linda, but I have such sporadic and limited times to read and research. Excellent points!

Meanwhile, I keep re-arranging the puzzle pieces until the picture emerges clearly...

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), September 06, 1999.

Many puzzle pieces for the serious researcher can be viewed here:

http://www.fas.org/2000 /hr104749/05.htm

This week will reveal the name of a federal informant now in hiding due to threats that have been made against him. The informant's name is surely to be found in this document. Capital Hill rumor mill says there is serious talk of impeachment.

-- (not@saying.com), September 06, 1999.

I haven't read the page suggested above yet, but did notice that it is page 5 of something. Here's the "rest of the story". Going back a "/" you get:

http://www.fas.org/2000/hr104 749/ which is... title page and index...

104th Congress HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2nd Session 104-749 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --

INVESTIGATION INTO THE ACTIVITIES OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TOWARD THE BRANCH DAVIDIANS

THIRTEENTH REPORT by the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT prepared in conjunction with the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY together with additional and dissenting views August 2, 1996.--Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed.

Page 5, link posted above is: V. Military Involvement in the Government Operations at Waco, but there is more.. see title page and index above.

The document info says it was posted in April, 1997. By whom? Go back another "/" to find: http://www.fas.org/2000/ Millennia Monitor... which includes info on the Year 2000 technology problem along with sun spots, religious groups, and Heaven's Gate!!!

And who (pray tell) is hosting THIS site? Go back one more "/" to http://www.fas.org/ to "The Federation of American Scientists a privately-funded non-profit policy organization engaged in analysis and advocacy on science, technology and public policy for global security."

Interesting!

BTW.. WACO was discussed on Art Bell last night by Hilly Rose interviewing Jon Rappoport. Mainly along the lines of "Waco: Rules of Engagement". Hilly asked one question about the 4 agents killed.. was it true they were all from Arkansas and previously been State Troopers working for Clinton? Rappoport didn't know. Seems he should have. Not a hard question for someone who has supposedly been investigating this subject. Do any of you know the answer? Here's the realaudio link to the show (1st hour): Link

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 06, 1999.

Linda,
good job. Yes, 3 of the 4 agents who were murdered at Waco had been Clinton's personal bodygaurds.

FAS's webpage hasn't been updated in a long time, but their work continues. In re: Heaven's Gate; you will find a link on FAS's website that has a mirror of Heaven's Gate webpage before it was taken down. Here is something from their web site that may be of interest:

Our Statement Against Suicide

"We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.

We fully desire, expect, and look forward to boarding a spacecraft from the Next Level very soon (in our physical bodies). There is no doubt in our mind that our being "picked up" is inevitable in the very near future. But what happens between now and then is the big question. We are keenly aware of several possibilities.

It could happen that before that spacecraft comes, one or more of us could lose our physical vehicles (bodies) due to "recall," accident, or at the hands of some irate individual. We do not anticipate this, but it is possible. Another possibility is that, because of the position we take in our information, we could find so much disfavor with the powers that control this world that there could be attempts to incarcerate us or to subject us to some sort of psychological or physical torture (such as occurred at both Ruby Ridge and Waco).

It has always been our way to examine all possibilities, and be mentally prepared for whatever may come our way. For example, consider what happened at Masada around 73 A.D. A devout Jewish sect, after holding out against a siege by the Romans, to the best of their ability, and seeing that the murder, rape, and torture of their community was inevitable, determined that it was permissible for them to evacuate their bodies by a more dignified, and less agonizing method. We have thoroughly discussed this topic (of willful exit of the body under such conditions), and have mentally prepared ourselves for this possibility (as can be seen in a few of our statements). However, this act certainly does not need serious consideration at this time, and hopefully will not in the future.

The true meaning of "suicide" is to turn against the Next Level when it is being offered. In these last days, we are focused on two primary tasks: one - of making a last attempt at telling the truth about how the Next Level may be entered (our last effort at offering to individuals of this civilization the way to avoid "suicide"); and two - taking advantage of the rare opportunity we have each day - to work individually on our personal overcoming and change, in preparation for entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

-- (not@saying.com), September 06, 1999.

If anyone has questions about the credibility of the Federation of American Scientists, I refer you to:

FAS Board of Sponsors

FAS sponsors include more than 50 Nobel laureates.

-- (not@saying.com), September 06, 1999.

"If anyone has questions about the credibility of the Federation of American Scientists"..."FAS sponsors include more than 50 Nobel laureates."

Question EVERYTHING!

Nobel Laureat or trailer trash... when someone puts on the same page links to the Year 2000 technological problem and Heaven's Gate they deserve to be questioned.

I saw some of the Congressional testimony - both in the film "Waco: Rules of Engagement" and on C-Span this weekend. "Agendas" were in full bloom.

Whenever there are conflicting stories - whether it is Y2K or WACO - it is worth asking the basic W's... WHAT am I *being told*?, WHO is doing the telling? (not only the immediate source, the poster, but the original source), WHY? - what if any motive might the source have for the story?, and WHEN? - is the information current? or why is it coming out now?

Sorry if I caused offense, but just because I don't always trust the gov't story, doesn't mean I necessarily trust the effort to get me not to trust the gov't story. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is just WAY too symplistic for these times.

Is my tinfoil hat on straight?

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 06, 1999.

simplistic (not symplistic... duh)

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 06, 1999.

And on the Heaven's Gate mirror site - why oh why would it be on the FAS site, and which version of the web page would that be? You perhaps are aware that the "official" mirror versions had been changed (apparently after the deaths) by *someone*, as evidenced by the difference in page sizes compared to previous altavista search figures. Nevermind... way too too many strange things about Heaven's Gate to go into here. Suffice it to say that linking Y2K and Heaven's Gate is a MAJOR RED FLAG that an "agenda" is at work. Somebody is selling something... just keep it in mind as you read the information presented.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), September 07, 1999.

Linda, Can only suggest again that you read the link originally provided. Particularly, consider the editorial commentary that has been inserted into the congressional committee's report. The commentary is what you see in the sections that are numbered and enclosed in brackets, such as /128/. Hopefully it will be clear what the commentator is concerned about.

-- (not@saying.com), September 07, 1999.

The "lone gunmen" outbreak. World Trade Center. Flight 800. Waco. Oklahoma City. Heaven's Gate.

"All the World's a stage..."

http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm

You will laugh now. But soon, you will cry.

M

-- M (m@spiritwar.tru), September 07, 1999.

http://www.dabney.com/WacoMuseum/

Isn't it interesting that I have been pasting this site into every Waco thread I find, and now someone comes up with the same site at a new location.

Guess not everyone's thread contributions are welcome.....

Well, if one goes down, maybe the other will still be up.

At least you finally saw it.

-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), September 08, 1999.