One of the two chief proponents of the "TB2K Forum as Religion" theme is Charles P. Reuben (cpr) of Debunking Y2K and Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot forums. Doc Paulie is the other, Decker merely took up the cudgel, but all the usual suspects parrot this idiocy (Paul Davis, Maria, Buddy, Cherri, Deano, Pat, Patricia, FactFinder, Anita, etc., etc.). Yet cpr declares in the post below that he has spent 2.5 years of his life fighting "the fruitcakes" full-time and he keeps one of his 50mg files OFFSHORE. This person has taken 2.5 years out of his life to debunk people like us, goes to all the trouble of putting his "deep-background" files in an offshore bank vault--and he says WE'RE the ones who have a problem??? Hell no, I'm not using my real name and I'm not posting over at his lousy forums, either, with IP njumbers displayed on one and Paul Davis no doubt ready to give them away on the other. If this psycho gets after me, God knows what he'll do. He's already automatically bounced (along with Stephen Poole) from some European Y2K forums--I guess they have much stricter policies than TB2K. No wonder there's so much disruption by pollies over here--this nutbag spends every waking hour on his psychotic crusade.
http://206.28.81.29/HyperNews/get/gn/1588/1.html
You assume that regulars here keep up with
GN, EY's pit and all the other pig pens. No so.
Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum
Re: No offense CPR, I believe in your position and all, but (John DEERE)
Date: Oct 21, 13:37
From: cpr
I doubt you know who visits here and how valuable their time is. They are not going through each and every one of
GN's posts daily looking for what we know to be stupid either technically or from a business point of view. Many
first time visitors here write me or some others to tell us that we have "set them straight" on Y2k. That won't be
necessary much longer because few believe the Garys of the world anymore.
I don't think you quite understand that I have spent 2.5+ years of my life fighting the Y2k Fruitcakes .......full time.
My view on them is far different than most people. I could do "deep background" on about 30 of them and track
about 70 more.
Many have exited the Y2k scene or were flash in the pan one-shots. Some posting to the EY Pit are frauds and
merely a regular writing "fiction" under a screen name. North has posted about 10 hoaxes which he doesn't bother to
correct. He got nailed for one and even made a post of it today (the Fed Ex. charge card number had a 666 in the
total and Gary never caught it. Which sort of implies he is either a dummy or he planted the story).
I consider that my "public service" and will never do something like this again. I take absolutely no money or deals
involving Y2k. Given my normal earning power you may assume this has been an expensive proposition for me.
I consider opposing North and Yourdon to be of vital importance and now that it is almost finished, do not regret it
for one minute. For the past 4-6 months or so I have considered them to be a joke.
Some of North and Yore-Toasty's posts are ludicrously funny. Some are not.
In some cases, I post for the historical record. We must learn from this mess (the first Internet based hysteria) or we
will see far worse. I keep 2 copies here, one off site and one off shore of all my Y2k files now well over 50 megs.
I just let the absurdities of what GN, Hyatt,Lord and EY say speak for themselves. In addition, many people
stopped going to Brer Duct Tape's and go to de Jager or Yahoo's dailies instead.
Many of the posts here (especially the earlier ones) will have some historical value after 2000.
I don't expect GN to maintain all his older posts not even the GN site. I have the earliest ones of his in zip form and
stay current.
-- Just (a@regular.regular), October 21, 1999
Answers
Be still, my heart.
-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), October 21, 1999.
Fruitcakes?
Thanks for reminding me to stock up. Those keep well in a cool place,
and the tins can be reused.
-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), October 21, 1999.
Consider this: With all the time and attention that those morons supposedly devote to going over Gary North's www.garynorth.com site with a fine tooth comb, WHY did they not do what North has invited anyone to do -- simply set up a web site using the SAME links to the evidence that he does, but give an OPTIMISTIC commentary? I mean, would that not be the logical thing to do??
The only drawback, of course, is you have to actually cough up the optimistic commentary for the overwhelming evidence that Y2K is going to be TEOTWAWKI. And Paul Davis' crap about running trains on peanut oil can only go so far.
-- King of Spain (mdrid@aol.cum), October 21, 1999.
Jay should be here soon selling
*************G-e-n-u-i-n-e Y-2-K F-r-u-i-t-c-a-k-e-s*****************
-- no talking please (breadlines@soupkitchen.gov), October 21, 1999.
CPR
Your post was magnificient!Now,if you'll just sign on the dotted line
we can proceed with the labotomy.
X....................................
-- one_flew_over_the_cuckoo's_nest (you're_toast@in_the_present_tense.com), October 21, 1999.
http://www.nypostonline.com/commentary/16529.htm
IS BIG BROTHER READING YOUR E-MAIL? October 21, 1999
By ROD DREHER
WANT to give a big, fat finger to Big Brother today? Fax or
e-mail this column to a friend. Be sure to include the following
words:
Unabomber. Anthrax. Fissionable plutonium. North Korea.
Militia. Delta Force. Ruby Ridge.
If the suspicions of Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), the American Civil
Liberties Union and cyber-libertarian "hacktivists" are correct,
your fax or e-mail containing those words will have been
intercepted by a sophisticated official electronic monitoring
system called "Echelon."
see nypost for the rest...
-- The Luddite (luddite@knowsall.com), October 21, 1999.
Hey, lighten up. CEEPER's kind of a pocket buddy of mine. Back pocket
but still, you've got to give credit to that kind of effort, time
spent and utter dedication to the absolute apogee of a cause that the
rest of the world thinks not worth its time. Demons everywhere. Kinda
reminds me of Milne.
-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), October 21, 1999.
"...I don't think you quite understand that I have spent 2.5+ years of
my life fighting the Y2k Fruitcakes .......full time..."
FULL TIME????? Gee, Charlie... Do you mean there's NOTHING else to do
in "DALLAS -- A WORLD-CLASS CITY"????? (I believe this is the way he
used to end every post on PdJ's forum -- along with a listing of his
degrees so everyone could be suitably impressed.)
Full time. Two-and-a-half-years (plus). Whew. And here I thought *I*
needed to Get A Life...
The Whistler (BS, MS, Ph.D., LS/MFT, BFD)
-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), October 21, 1999.
To : Just a regular
Would just love to have a look in your larder.
-- (a new lurker(crybaby@tearsforfears.net), October 22, 1999.
Carlos, I understood Milne to have retired from the commodities
business but cpr seems to be saying he actually quit working to go
debunking, a sort of sabbatical. Anyway, I haven't heard anything
about Milne collecting "deep-background" files on people, making four
copies and keeping one copy in an offshore filing cabinet! Sounds a
bit obsessive.
-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 22, 1999.
But so is pulling your teeth in case there are no dentist available.
See new post on Paul Milne.
-- Bill (y2khippo@yahoo.com), October 22, 1999.
This thread has promise.
-- no talking please (breadlines@soupkitchen.gov), October 22, 1999.
I think I'll send cpr a copy of my fingerprints. Why not, the FBI
already has 'em. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 22, 1999.
Silly me. I'll just send him one finger. I think we all know which
one.
Tick... Tock... <:00=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 22, 1999.
The Whistler (BS, MS, Ph.D., LS/MFT, BFD)
-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), October 21, 1999.
Showin' yer age, dude.
'Course, so am
I for recognizing the add line.
"Loose Straps Mean...." indeed
C
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 22, 1999.
Name's real. Address is real. Let's see now, what was it I want to
say. Oh yeah:
FUCK YOU CPR. get it?
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.
Response to Charles P. Reuben says again he has collected "deep background files" on "Y2K fruitcakes" such as some of the people on this forum
There was an interesting piece in the New York Times last week about corporations that hire PR firms to
defend their corporate products on web forums. Say someone at alt.Chevyrules starts giving out misinfo about Fords: the PR flack would 'assume' an identity and defend Ford. The article discussed several methods that
firms used for this. There are several PR firms that specialize in this type of reverse-forum-monkey wrenching.
The article also noted how some firms seem to overreact, swatting web gnats with sledgehammers. Now, one must wonder: would the banking/intelligence/government communities send flacks
to the web, with express instructions to disrupt Y2K alarmism? I would venture a "yes" to that one. They might even construct
alternate fora, helping to hide the tree in the forest. Diane Squire has provided interesting links to the Reardon Group, and others, last winter, posted documents that
indicated the government had plans to do just that. Go to the Rand Corporation site and search under "Athena."
The bizarre animus you detect may simply be a shill's work ethic gone awry.
-- Spidey (in@jam.blink), October 22, 1999.
Hey ChukkkiePR=Fruitcake, How is my file coming?? I might inform
you that when I posted over on GNIABFI site earlier this year, you
thought it was Mr North. LOL. Can you say moron sandwhich. I know
he want very bad to find out who I am. hehehehe
-- yk2 dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.
note this sentence from cpr:
"My view on them is far different than most people. I could do "deep
background" on about 30 of them and track about 70 more. "
He said the same thing about 9 months ago when people were all in a
tizzy that he was keeping file and "reporting" people that advocated
the overthrow of the government, etc.
He said he "could"
He's never said that he "will" or that he "has"
I "COULD" fly down to Texas and punch him in the nose. But I
probably won't, sort of a waste of time.
He's just a blowhard flak for SAP.
c'mon Charles, putup or shutup. what a whiny baby
oh, and he got the quote from GN wrong, the article was about American
Express, not FEDEX. moron.
-- plonk! (realaddress@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.
Let's be fair here.
While I do think a few of yall need some help and a couple others are
WAY OUT THERE, I am not one of the posters on either of the above
mentioned forums.
I posted once and that was it. I find it much more entertaining to
argue with yall.
Deano
-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), October 22, 1999.
If you are really that worried about CPR and his files, document that
type of information. Start keeping your own files. Seems like as the
internet continues to grow, cyber stalking is beginning to come under
the same laws as "regular" stalking. Do your own research.
-- (a@.b.eat_me_cpr), October 22, 1999.
Should we all contact CPR and ask for copies of our files in case his
50MB hard drive turns out to be non-compliant?
-- a (a@a.a), October 22, 1999.
More from cpr who "could" and probably "would" do deep background and
maybe more...
: These puling FREAKSHOW IDIOTS have about pissed me off with this
crap. And they are so unbearably STUPID.
: Any FOOL could realize by now, the whole point of this DELAYED
REACTION story is to allow the vendors to
reposition themselves. And to give the consultants a chance to retract
and bow out politely.
: Now they de-emphasize Y2K. In JUST A FEW months, it will suddenly
fall off those servers, TB2000 will either go
private or it will just lock everyone out, and suddenly all the
FREAKSHOW IDIOTS will have to puke their DROOL
at each other on USENET! ALONG ABOUT THEN, THE SMARTER ONES WILL
REALISE WHA' HOPPEN.
: SO HELP ME, I HAVE BEEN DAMN TEMPTED TO SEARCH OUT THE ADDRESSES OF
THE MAJOR
SPREADERS OF THIS MANURE AND POST THEM ON USENET ABOUT THE FIRST OF
APRIL NEXT
YEAR! I won't, because it isn't a proper thing to do. BUT GOD, AM I
EVER TEMPTED. Damn good job where
Paul Davis showed them how to look up the server data on WHOIS.
: They should have to face their victims. Just as Keating did. What
incredible morons they are. I hope one of them has
sense enough to file a class action suit.
: I feel sorry for the victims. But the spreaders of this crap are
still
:
FREAKSHOW IDIOT MORONS
[And speaking of idiot morons, Paul Davis replied]
In Reply to: Here's how you RATTLE their Bird Cages posted by cpr on
October 21, 1999 at 20:44:53:
That is pretty funny all the way around.
I do think I shook up a few of them with the 'This is how you look up
a server location on WHOIS' post. Did I tell
anyone what to do with the information? It is a freaking PUBLIC DOMAIN
database!
Wonder how many phone calls they got?
I kind of hate to point this out, but most of the folks using the
Internet don't know diddly about how the system works.
No wonder they worry about 'it will all die and go away'. If they
understood the incredible amount of redundancy and
self-healing built into the system, they might not be so eager to
believe the DOOM stories.
For some reason, I got the distinct impression that telling the TB2000
folks a little something about "HOW THE
INTERNET REALLY WORKS AND WHERE THE DATA IS", is just verboten. Not
done. HEY, these guys are
the EXPERTS. IF THEY don't take their own advice, well, YOU SHOULD.
ROFLMAO.
Scott was pretty pissed. Tough! The day I am afraid to tell someone
how to look up public data, I will give up
computers and take up tatting.
Wonder if that thread is marked for 'delete later and quietly' now?
You know, I never have looked up an IP on BFI. Doubt that I ever will.
I do think I will copy the whole thing to a
CD-ROM before the server is finally taken down.
-- yet (another@regular.regular), October 22, 1999.
CPR and Paul Davis are freaks who have spent too many years on IRC and
Usenet.
They redefine the words "denial" and "psychosis".
Do a WHOIS and come and get me boneheads, and see if I'm afraid of a
couple of halucinating coward assholes OD'ing on jolt drinks like you.
(For those not so net savvy folks, WHOIS is very limited in what it
can do, and most ISP's and companies block it out. Go to
anonymizer.com for a quick 101.)
-- (not@now.com), October 22, 1999.
"... I will give up computers and take up tatting. "
I see that Mr. Davis might be susceptible to the insidious needlepoint
meme. I'd like to thank Flint for cluing me in to this diabolical, yet
oddly soothing thought contaigion.
-- flora (***@__._), October 22, 1999.
bill (y2khippo) please re-read the Milne teeth post. He has
responded. As usual, it was a dumb-assed reporter that only half
listens to what is being said and makes up the rest. I know from
personal experience. I agreed to one interview in a past life as a
town councilman. I read it and I was certain that he must have been
interviewing someone else. Not even close. Never again.
-- (rcarver@inacom.com), October 22, 1999.
And, pray tell, just what 'we" have done to invoke his hatred?
Oh - are "hate-crimes" on the internet still being investigated by the FBI? Or are only preservationists capable of committing hate-crimes?
I guess, the 800-plus billion already budgetted to fight this problem by businesses and governments world-wide has completely solved the entire problem and so no individuals have to concern themselves with any form of insurance against uncertainity.
What has CPR done to convince himself that the concerns about y2k are not correct? What evidence does he have that there will be no problems? The only evidence I've seen (from the CIA, GAO, Senate and House Committes, and my local governments is that problems are expected and we should be prepare for AT LEAST three days of disruptions.
Now, some may choose to prepare for longer times - but who has he talked to show that this whole thing os a fraud and a waste of 800 billion dollars in the past 3 three years?
[Or does he believe that they have spent 1600 billion dollars over the past 5 years and tried to actually prevent the problem?]
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), October 22, 1999.
"One of the two chief proponents of the "TB2K Forum as Religion"
theme is Charles P. Reuben (cpr) of Debunking Y2K and Gary North is a
Big Fat Idiot forums. Doc Paulie is the other, Decker merely took up
the cudgel, but all the usual suspects parrot this idiocy (Paul
Davis, Maria, Buddy, Cherri, Deano, Pat, Patricia, FactFinder, Anita,
etc., etc.)."
Good grief, you guys are about as good at seeing the "big picture" at
debunkers as you are at assessing the impact of Y2k, that is to say,
not too good.
I don't think you'll find very good evidence in any of my post to
debunkers that I believe the TB2K is a "religion". The people that
visit the debunkers forum do so for various reasons, the same as they
do at TB2000. I visit BOTH of these forums for the same reason - to
keep up with the various "spin" on Y2K, the "news" on Y2K, and the
occassional funny threads (such as this one).
I haven't "studied" cpr's post or asked him about it, but it sure
appears to me that he is talking about the elite Y2K "experts"
nonsense, not the posters to any certain forum.
And by the way, I have seen plenty of "tracking" of the "little
people" here on THIS forum, and can't even remember an "outing" at
debunkers. Theres a current thread that even gives the guys full
domain info - name, telephone number, etc! Diane even tracked down a
post of mine at debunkers and in her mind, "outed" me, lol!
And on this forum, when you guys really want to go on the attack, you
go deep undercover with a new name and address, now THIS is funny....
Please, give me a break with this nonsense.
Regards,
-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), October 22, 1999.
Oh, and by the way, I can't remember the last time I went to the
BIFFY forum (Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum) , and doubt that I
have ever even posted there. If you guys are gonna track me, ya need
a better detective.
But since ya reminded me, I think I WILL go take a look see, lol.
Regards,
-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), October 22, 1999.
Forget them Factfinder. There FUCKING heads are so far up there
FUCKING assholes, there damn ears will be clogged with SHIT for
decades!
They can't get the FUCKING facts straight even ONE GODDAMN TIME!
You pathetic loser morons are the little FUCKING pimples on the ass of
humanity. I don't want to be around when you burst.
-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.
oh and PS to the fucking moderators....go FUCKING right ahead and
FUCKING delete me you lunatics.
-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.
Time for your thorazine Stupor Polly.
(Could someone give Stupor a couple of Pampers, please? One for each
end. Sad, that.)
-- (dideesforStupor@wow.com), October 22, 1999.
Super Potty,
Your quest for martyrdom is always ugly. Doubt you'll get much milage
with your Buddy(s) with this one. BTW, if you really "don't want to be
around" ask your pharmacist. It's easy, painless and in your case
would be a gift to all.
-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), October 22, 1999.
Mods, please leave the above posts by SP. Very illustrative,
especially to newbies.
-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 22, 1999.
Gee, are we still talking about this?
OK, here's my current IP address:
204.143.69.19
Part of VERIO. Part of GES. Part of JVNC.
Oh, you do know about JVNC, don't you? The first (go ahead, check your
history books) to do fiber on the internet. Or was that the first do
do DS3...???
Hey cpr, my ISP is in the same office building that I am. We have a
T-1 line going up to the 3rd floor. We're on Route 1, In Princeton,
NJ. Come on over, I'll buy lunch, but, only if I can bring my CSR from
VERIO along. We'll be hanging in front of the building, smoking...
And here's my fingerprint:
..!..
Tick... Tock... <:00=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 23, 1999.
Oh man, and yet another PS:
If you can't find JVNC, try a search with "SUPERCOMPUTER" and
"PRINCETON"
We be there. <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 23, 1999.
Sysman,
Thanks for the info - I put a sniffer on your IP and did a backfeed
on your TCP the next message from that address, and pulled your hard
disk directory ...very interesting...but what's up with that "TB2000
Nutcases" folder?
Regards,
-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), October 23, 1999.
Howdy FactFinder,
What folder would that be? The one that Hoff was asking about, the
GAO? That's the only "folder" in my Y2K bookmarks, that I've talked
about in a while. (Yea, I know, I'm just tryin' to get 'em riled...)
Anyway FF, I noticed that you were interested in early warnings. Do
you know about Cringely? I posted some of his stuff in an earlier
thread, where we were a few days ago. Gary North ignored his warnings!
Programmer's Y2K alert finally gets heard
I was off by a few years, he says that he started talking about Y2K in
1991. I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles, that it was earlier,
but I must be gettin' old... Or thinking of someone else...
Tick... Tock... <:00=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 23, 1999.
1) Why would ANY self respecting sysop delete Super poly's posts??
It's SO MUCH easier to let him make my case for me.
2) SYSMAN, drop me an e-?? ref VERIO.
Chuck
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), October 23, 1999.
OK C, on the way. Just remind me to check my mail once in a while... ... ... <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), October 23, 1999.
Wrong. I have most of the standard lines of ALL of them. Filed by
name. 100 plus. From the Big names to the odd balls. From the
Peasants to the Ph.Ds.
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Posted by cpr on October 12, 1999 at 18:56:01:
In Reply to: Once we get into the first weeks of Jan posted by The
Y2Idiot on October 12, 1999 at 14:41:16:
And I have every intention of making sure that it will be on a web
site as a demonstration of something that must NEVER, EVER happen
again.
And I sincerely hope one or some of them try to SUE me because in
"disclosure" I will get at their business and private email records
and prove that all our speculations about the MONEY were correct.
And trust me.........IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE.
cpr
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: I will definately say goodbye to the doomer, the FUDs, and
unfortunately the Debunking Y2K movement in the weeks following the
crash. We should during the first two weeks enjoy the doom movement
switchin gears to the "Once everything dries up" mode and explaining
how they had decided months before that Y2K wouldn't be too bad on
1/1/00.
: The only thing that debunkers never did correctly was catalog and
record every single prediction and idiotic statement made by the
doomers. As by now we could post over in the TB2000 the stupid
statements they made. We gave the doomers it seems to much credit to
be honest. The doom history has been for the most part deleted so
newbies won't see the idiotic statements made by the so called
experts as Yourdon, Hyatt, ect all moderate their views to the end
being in years due to Y2K failures.
: Otherwise enjoy the next three months because in January we got
alot of celebratin to do when CPR gets to post in font 72 or whatever
is the largest you can find, HAHAHA!
Link
http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/1373.html
-- qwerty (asdfgh@zxcvbn.wow), October 23, 1999.
Save the work, use the links AND "OUT THEM" ALL as BS ARTISTS
Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum
Re: New and (Hopefully) Improved (Stephen M. Poole, CET)
Re: To Stephen and Dan: Great Work! Would you collaborate? (Robin
Messing)
Re: Actually ... (Stephen M. Poole, CET)
Date: 1999, Mar 21
From: CPR
I have concluded that some of the Y2k "alarmists" even in the
Professional circles do not want to (or can't) face the reality of
the rate of remediation.
IT IS TIME TO "OUT THEM" ALL.
Use this joint as a library and just link in as "footnotes" where
needed to back up what you are saying.
You are welcome to anything that I have posted where marked as either
opinion or the facts. There is proably the most complete set of ANTI-
Y2k Extremist Documents here than any place else on the WWW and
shortly there will be a ton more as I do to some of the other memes
what Lord Jim just earned.
I have concluded that the time to 'pussy foot' or ignore the
following IDIOTs is long over:
Previews:
Roleigh Gump "Whoops,I made a booboo again" Martin
Craig "Churches.net" Goldilockes
Dr. DooDoo
Dr. Markie
Paula Well Dressed Bag Lady
Little Ricky
And ...just maybe....one Professor of MIS who seems to think he can
use his Y2k efforts in a Professional organization to promote himself
and his personal vendettas at will on every list serve in the world.
Link
http://206.28.81.29/HyperNews/get/gn/991/1/1/1.html
-- qwerty (asdfgh@zxcvbn.wow), October 23, 1999.
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