GOOD ADVICE: Down to the wire - focus, focus Steve Davis [civicprep]

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Diane

(BTW... Steves given the okay to post here).

Subject: [civicprep] Down to the wire - focus, focus
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:58:53 -0500
From: "Steve Davis"
To: "civicprep"

From the Civic Preparedness discussion list.
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Dear friends:

This is a group with no leader by design, we all lead by example. I am concerned by some of the examples that we are setting. The following, part preaching and part praying, is offered as a way to help us succeed. Please take it as that. In the past I have offended some of our participants when I have given similar messages. I have kept my piece but can no more.

First let's find a center. While there is not such thing as true consensus, I think it is safe to say that most of us that have gathered here on civicprep (145 of us and many recent leavers and joiners), on the conference calls, and elsewhere in cyberspace, are trying, in one way or another, to promote community preparedness. We are trying to fill the leadership void on this issue. I think that it is also safe to postulate that: if our leaders were doing more, then we would have less concern.

However, national leaders are clearly not taking charge of Y2K preparedness. The Red Cross and FEMA seem unwilling to make any concerted public relations blitz, the official White House "long holiday weekend" version has gravely disappointed us all.

While we are truly a diverse group, I think that we share one primary concern - to get people to take Y2K seriously enough to prepare. We are trying to do that through outreach, awareness, information sharing, working with the media, sending messages to leaders, etc. Our biggest challenge is being taken seriously. Some of us have unfortunately been ridiculed and marginalized in the past and we can expect more of this in the future.

Along the way to achieving our goals, we need to consider what people need to hear, how they hear it, and how they will perceive us and our efforts. Our continuing efforts will be contrasted with national efforts. The media will ask - why are we so far apart? We may be considered alarmists - they are going to cause people to panic! It could get even worse.

I do not want to criticize anyone here. But this has to be said. We need to get focused, maintain credibility, and avoid acting like anything close to the labels of fruitcakes, kooks or scare mongers that may be used against us. Many of us (me included) do not want to be painted with this brush and are concerned about guilt by association.

The point that I am leading up to here is this: Y2K is a big enough risk based on what we know and have on the record. At this late date, we don't need to get bogged down with other issues. While this list is open to any and all opinions and will remain a bastion of free speech and free information sharing, I would ask that we try to refrain from becoming embroiled in sensational and unsubstantiated stories or in other public concern issues. I ask that we not seek to find fault and conspiracy at every turn.

We need to look like, sound like, and act like, the group of dedicated and responsible people that we are. We are serious people who are seriously concerned and are taking serious actions. We will fail horribly if we look, sound, or act like chicken littles, conspiracy theorists, or any other type of negative image that you can imagine.

All I want is for us to be successful. I do not want to be divisive, I want us to stay together. I know from experience that we lose participants when our message becomes shrill or panicked or voluminous. If we are to be successful we need to stick together and stay focused. If we can't we can't but we need to try.

BTW, although tempted, I will not quit, shut-up, or disengage. However, if embarrassed by those I associate with -- I will disassociate. I don't want that, I want to see us focus and "work the problem".

Respectfully,
Steve Davis
http://www.DavisLogic.com/



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999

Answers

Steve,

We have disagreed in the past, though never head to head (I think). This is one of the two best takes I have seen in months. The other was Jan Nickerson's open letter to Pres Bill. Don't stop. Don't lose focus. Drive on!

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), November 19, 1999.


A public forum like this cannot attempt to achieve creditability. Creditability by whose definitions? It takes all types and all view points to make a truly rich community, including the occasional humor tip revisit and dare I say fruits and nuts. A reminder that 'moderation in all things' keeps things in balance most individuals can make up their own minds on what to accept. I have seen how individuals have developed credibility with some by their information and arguments. These same arguments hold no water with others.

To each their own. Let Freedom Ring.

-- squid (Itsdark@down.here), November 19, 1999.


Steve,

It is nice to meet you.

I've known Gary Niki, the National Y2K Red Cross representative, for about three weeks. I can assure you, the Red Cross stand on Y2K is to prepare for 3 days to a week. It will never change. After spending 30+ hours in their facility, I've learned that no one there takes Y2K very seriously. The majority of the opinion is that it will be a "people" problem - and not many people at that. I was originally asked to be a Y2K speaker, but since there are few requests for Y2K training classes, Gary asked me to give training classes on fire extinguishers because people will burn up their Christmas trees.

I also met with a Millennium group here in Phoenix, two days ago, and the attitude was the same - it's a "people" problem. I'm terrified right now. The people in attendance were representatives of some of our largest corporations and government.

While I am not smart enough to know why/how/or when computers will crash, I am smart enough to know some chips will fail.

I have to give my local experts credit though, I'm a people, and I'm going to be a problem starting today.

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 19, 1999.


Steve said:

(I do not want to criticize anyone here. But this has to be said. We need to get focused, maintain credibility, and avoid acting like anything close to the labels of fruitcakes, kooks or scare mongers that may be used against us. Many of us (me included) do not want to be painted with this brush and are concerned about guilt by association. )

If anyone says anything beyond "prepare for 3 days" other people think you are a kook. I don't care. Why do you? If their opinion of you is important, then you are their slave.

Report ans say what you belive to be true. For the most part, that's what everyone does. We are facing the potential COLLAPSE of all we know and love. People are going to say things and react the way they do. At least it's an honest reaction. Screw the "pollitically correct" crap.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), November 19, 1999.


I thought everyone on this forum was pretty darned focus and has been for months. That focus never seems to let up day or night and thru the weekend.

Pretty darn impressive! I would say!

-- db (dciinc@aol.com), November 19, 1999.



I'm not much impressed by Steve Davis. He appears to have cooperated in Koskinen's baiting of the civic prep community with promises that were never delivered upon. Whether or not he cooperated intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know. I'm not Steve. I'm Stan. But Steve seems to hang on Koskinen's every word: All is well, people. Remain calm. Do not prepare... err... I mean, do not panic. And should you loss life and/or property, why that's what I meant by local problems. (wink)

Of course, I am only a casual observer, but I'd say the same thing to Steve's face. And probably not as politely.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 19, 1999.


P.S. Don't take my word for it. After all, I must be one of those kooks according to any loose interpretation of Steve's definition of the symptoms that afflict those with millenial madness. Funny enough, Ken Decker is also a kook by the same definition.

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 19, 1999.

Stan,

I've certainly disagreed with Steve in the past, but, he's got a good heart.

And the time to FOCUS... is now!

Diane



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.


Oh goodness, I have to say something here.

Steve Davis's message above was written on another forum, the Civic Preparedness discussion list, which it seemed Diane made clear. It seems that almost everyone who responded here thought he was talking about TB2000, which was not the case.

Thanks for reading.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), November 19, 1999.


I am always intrigued how Buddy (a.k.a. "DC Buddy", "Doomslayer", and by a few other troll handles) always seems to follow anything Steve Davis ever posts here. Like a fly on shit, I guess.

Yeah, it is nice to see Steve Davis write something that seems half reasonable, instead of his usual bootlicking for Koskinen et al. About time, given that it is now only ... homina, homina ... 42 days to go.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 19, 1999.


Yeah, KOS, like a fly on shit. It just goes to show you that even if a polly posts something entirely neutral to his stance on Y2K he gets flamed here.

By the way, Steve Davis didn't start this thread.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), November 19, 1999.


Diane &, Don't know any of you, but I want to thank you.

y2k y?breakup relationships-business, citizen to government, family, spouses.

It's not the computer, it's the breakdown.

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), November 19, 1999.


A rational explanation for making Y2K preparations

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001R UO

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

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-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 20, 1999.

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