Twilight Zone tonight/similar to Y2K

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Was watching old Twilight Zones on Sci Fi channel tonight and one was called "The Shelter". A bunch of friends in a neighborhood were having a birthday party for their friend, the family doctor. They were teasing him about building bomb shelter. While the party was going on an announcement came over the radio that there was an unidentified object in the sky and to take cover. All the families ran home and the doctor and his family went to the bomb shelter. The other families then came and tried to get him to let them in. He told them how he had warned them all to spend less time with BarBQues, etc and build their own shelter and prepare and no one listened. Now he only had room and air and water and food for the 3 of them and he had to take care of his family. What happened with all the neighbors and how they turned on each other was ironic. Racist comments were made. It all turned out to be a false alarm and the doctor came out and felt guilty too for not helping his neighbors more (not sure what he could have done) and what all of this had permanently done to their friendships - their true colors being seen. Very interesting.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), November 29, 1999

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---only thing I see as a discrepancy is the doctor feeling guilty. Like indicated, his polly "friends" showed their true colors.

This really will be where the rubber meets the road, and I hope all are prepared for the mass mob scene. Until you have been in one, you have no frame of reference about how cruel mobs can be. Our "civilization" is a very thin veneer made up of mostly of denial, it seems. As long as everything is "all right", then we sort of have a civilization, take away the mostly "all right", and ten minutes later it's starts cracking and crumbling. Huamns are a mixture of giving, caring, and then being incredibly selfish and cruel. Look at what FAMILY members are doing to each other RIGHT NOW, the ones who are indicating that by their analysis of things that it's prudent to prepare, and the way they are treated by their own blood kin and close friends who don't see the need, but are quick with the ridicule and harsh words. And THIS behavior is towards someone who truly loves them and is sincere. When everything is still "all right". Just imagine once reality sets in, how unbelievable cruel and selfish those people will be. Not all, but most of them will be the very first ones to turn around and denounce you as HOARDER! HOARDER! The media and official government spokespeople have already planted this word into the consciousness of those who will not learn from history, don't do anymore than superficial research, and for those who are just by nature to lazy, selfish, and cruel. The taunts from the pollys are a clear cut case of aggression, pure and simple. It's only verbal now, but just wait. HOARDER! will be this era's equivalent of yelling JUDEN! JUDEN! The people who aren't preparing now will turn and be as savages, and cooperate with the government that encourages them to turn on their prepared neighbors. We already have many, many examples of anonymous "snitches" who give completely false evidence over the phone in order to get someone "busted", and people have been shot in their homes, and terrorized by agents of the state who are too quick to use SWAT style military tactics, complete with anonymous masks, full auto, grenades of various forms, with followups of illegal seizure of property, physical abuse, torture and terorization of the victims, then planting of evidence when they realize that they screwed up, just to cover themselves. And, then they get away with it. They are the "government", they do no wrong, they are always right, and suing for redress is the hardest of all.

What's going to happen when 99% of the population runs out of food? People aren't going to be polite and calmly come knocking on your door and ask for a handout. The examples that we as a society have where refugees and infrastructure collapse have created emergency scenarios WILL NOT APPLY. Those analogies have as a basic tenet that there was "help" some place else, or "relief", or at least a "safer" place to go to where the "bad thing" wasn't. Well, a worldwide crash means that that won't exist, at least not for the billions currently living or travelling through cities. Then what?

I have no illusions about owning some super walmart sized warehouse where I may feed the multitudes, it doesn't exist. We have prepared at a very low level of income, but still have managed to be fairly well off. Of course, a lot of dedication and commitment, a lot of sacrafice, and no telling how many arguments from people who simply do not see any necessity to do anything because "THEY wouldn't allow it to happen", or "THE GOVERNMENT would be telling us if it was that bad", or the one that really gets me "why don't we see anything about this ON TV if it's such a big deal?". I have no satisfactory answer-for those particular people-because when you GIVE them answers for those questions-THEY STILL WON'T LISTEN. These people will be THREATS to you.

It's starting to break now, starting to crumble, the first falling blocks on this tower of denial are starting to smash down. There will be people who will live in denial of this while all collapses around them, refusing to believe the evidence of their eyes. Then they will "blame" anyone but themselves. Be prepared to be persecuted beyond belief if you are a preparer, because the ones who refuse to prepare outnumber you by a wide factor, and many of them will be your own blood relatives and alledged "friends". Not all, but such a large significant number as to make it truly terrible.

And the axis of international money/governments with their secret police and overt armed agents/controlled media will be even worse than that.

not nice

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 29, 1999.


hi, zog... say just occured to me if "zog" comes from Orwell's novel, I think Keep the Aspidistra Flying, where the narrator sees the headline, "King Zog Dies."??

To the subject: I am ready to feed my neighbors. I can do it for a while. I have oatmeal, wheat, split peas and beans. I certainly don't see myself as some Daddy Theresa or Mr. Sam Walmart, but I am convinced that when I turn them away they will come back with more; when I take out my 12 guage they will take out more.

So by being prepared to help out some I hope they will become my allies and want to help protect US and our neighborhood.

My guess is that everybody stands in line for the food shipment. If I really believed that the food supply will dry up... what would be the point of my plan A?

Like you we have prepared on laughably little $$$. We might have a place to go to that will be safe.

My main question (and maybe I've missed it as I havne't been logging onto the bb for long) is what is your situation? Your scenario is not pretty but are you going to hunker down in LA or CHicago, or a little town somwhere, or in the Nevada desert next to a hotspring? (Say, that sounds like a plan.)

Just curious about what a person does with the worst scenario running, or is it one of the possibilities that came out in the heat o' the moment?

-- johno (jobriy2k@yahoo.com), November 29, 1999.


Rwanda here we come!

-- Ocotillo (peeling@out.===), November 29, 1999.

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