No contrails/chemtrails for at least two weeks where I live. Any new sightings from the rest of the forum veiwers?

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), December 22, 1999

Answers

My area had chemtrails every day until about two weeks ago. This is strange.

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), December 22, 1999.

Same thing here in the albany,ny area. I was just wondering why I have not seen them for the last few days or so.

-- (headtogether@stayalert.net), December 22, 1999.

My guess is that the aircraft is grounded for Y2K or has been appropriated for some other purpose by the Feds.

-- (g13@the.bunker), December 22, 1999.

Just returned from Las Vegas, contrails everywhere. Returned home to find the same, seems to be at saturation level here in Central Florida the white planes even spray after dark. Last night could even see the mist coming down by streetlight. Could this be some sort of pacification agent?

-- retching (Gassed@vapor.com), December 22, 1999.

Remote viewer Ed Dames has stated on the Art Bell program that the chemtrails are a military operation, but he would not disclose the purpose, indicating that such information could compromise the US defense. He stated that the spraying was a "desperation tactic" on the part of the US military. There is a contrails mailing list, but it hasn't been very active recently. To subscribe, send a blank message to: contrails-subscribe@onelist.com

-- George (florida1018@yahoo.com), December 22, 1999.

Ed Dames + Art Bell = MINDLESS DRIVEL

-- (Here@today.com), December 22, 1999.

And that's a major insult to both the words 'mindless' and 'drivel'......

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 22, 1999.

Could it be a pacification agent ? Mmm, could be. More than likely though, judging by the posts on the topic, it is very caustic to cranial matter. I would venture a guess it may be a mix of nitrogen, CO2, oxygen and few trace elements vaporized by heat thus ending up in the form of H2O. When some people leave their homes and they smell this, it contributes to massive sensory shock (systemic) as it is quickly assimilated into the bloodstream and carried to the various formerly deprived regions and organs of the body. Yes, would consider this VERY serious indeed. But, there is a remedy to this.

When you leave the house, stay out in it a while. Soon things will settle and your system will adjust. You run the risk of being negatively affected though if you seclude yourself from the "agent". When you again go outside, the effects are then repeated.

My recommendation ? If you have been affected to this point by this anomaly, maybe you should remain inside and run the risk of elemental deprivation. This will alleviate the drastic up and down effect that your system suffers to this point. A more drastic remedial option is to keep a platic bag over your head while outside. For this to be completely effective, you should keep it tied tightly around your neck to restrict any intruding agents. Good luck.

-- So Tired (giveit@rest.now), December 22, 1999.

Water evaporates. Whatever this stuff is, it ain't just water.

Anything can be scoffed at; your scoffing proves nothing, except that we should all pity your relatives.

-- and I do feel (sorry@for.them), December 22, 1999.

Yes, here in north Florida we still have been having chemtrails for the last two or so weeks. We heard Major Ed Dames on the Art Bell show too, but that was really not very comforting. The govt has a long history of experimentation on human subjects without their permission for whatever reason.

I think about the pilots of those planes. God knows what they are also being exposed to; and if they are military people flying them, they may not have any choice about it; an order is an order.

God help us all.

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.Net), December 22, 1999.

power of suggestion + ordinary vaportrails that no one ever bothered to notice = chemtrails

THIS WAS INVENTED TO MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID first you talk of Y2K (real) , then you are "being sprayed" (not real) then nobody wan't to talk to you anymore. GI???????

-- ERROR (nothingc@ngorong.gorong.gorong), December 22, 1999.

ERROR; Interesting perspective, hadn't thought about that angle. Chemtrails are a fabrication designed to discredit the people who frequent Y2K boards by show how gullible some of them are... Possibly the MOST plausible explaination of them I have heard to date.

Folks there are almost fifteen thousand known, marked, assigned airways in the world. An airway is an imaginary tunnel in the air. It has upper and lower altitude boundarys. It is twenty nautical miles wide and has a start and a stop both of which naturally coincide with the location of an airport.

THINK.

-- (...@.......), December 22, 1999.

THIS WAS INVENTED TO MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID

Unnecessary.

-- (bwa@ha.ha), December 22, 1999.

--[...@....] I like that answer. Over two weeks ago everyone from all over the 50 states were logging in with chemtail sightings. My question is ---- are they a prevalent as they were two to three weeks ago. I see trails from jets now but they only last a few minutes. Two weeks ago some of these trails lasted for "hours"

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), December 22, 1999.

WASHINGTON--The Pentagon announced today that in an effort to stem widespread panic due to the brighter than normal full moon Wednesday night, December 22, there will be a flyover of the entire United States by all available squadrons before the moon rises. The squadrons will be spraying a mixture of dihydrogen monoxide in criss-cross patterns in an effort to obscure the moon. It is feared that many Americans may panic at the sight of such a bright moon so close to the millennium. There has also been speculation by some Pentagon watchdogs that a similar flyover may occur on December 31 in an effort to make it more difficult for possibly panicked Americans to know when the sun sets that day. It is speculated that this would make it harder to determine when the clock strikes midnight. The Pentagon had no comment.

Stay tuned. Film at 11.

-- (film@11...), December 22, 1999.

What concerns me most about these comtrail posters is the fact that they use absolutely no objective reasoning in coming to their conclusions. With that being the case, it is evident that they used the same reasoning in dealing with Y2K. Y2K is a well documented technical problem. It's existence is not in dispute, only its potential impact. It is obvious, whatever comtrail followers opinions are of Y2K, they are based solely on shallow, fantasyland, sci-fi logic. To those I say, please don't consider yourselves "Y2K informed", you are not mentally qualified.

-- for real (for@real.com), December 22, 1999.

"It is obvious, whatever comtrail followers opinions are of Y2K, they are based solely on shallow, fantasyland, sci-fi logic. To those I say, please don't consider yourselves "Y2K informed", you are not mentally qualified."

Since computer experts disagree wildly on every single aspect of y2k, maybe NO one is "mentally qualified" to discuss it.

-- but I at least have no (axe@to.grind), December 22, 1999.

contrailconnections.com

-- bb (b@b.b), December 22, 1999.

Sheez! Try Hampton Roads if you wanna see chemtrails! The last 2 days the cameras in the url I posted here showed a lovely thick fog which did not react to the wind with the typical swirly pattern. That is because this cloud was released from FEMA headquarters. Oops!!!! They said it was harmless sulfer. It smelled like our usual chemtrails. Same neuromuscular side effects.

Created a lovely yellow-brown block to the sky, which -- you guessed it -- was filled with the constant roar of jet engines (not intermittent engines of usual flight pattern in this area, but the continuous engine roars typical of spraying in our area.)

We finally!!! Had some rain this am, and were left with a clear blue sky (I had forgotten how spectacular that shade of sky blue trully is). Well, withing an hour, here come the C-130's with crossed chemtrails, that have since spread to cover abput 50% of the ceiling, only blue patches poking through.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 22, 1999.

FWIW, I received my dose of mil confirmation when a friend who was with tha AF up to 4 years ago told me that it was his job in the AF to lead the 5 man team that fills the tanks of the C-130 for spraying.

He said they were told it was pesticide which they sprayed when a state gov requested. He said it is his belief that some of the dead birds we've had a rash of here in VA must have tested positive for encephalitis and the state has asked the AF to spray to eliminate a possible epidemic.

Suport: He is a good, honest family man, who believed these reasons as explained to him by the gov.

He recognized my neuro-muscular reaction as the same side effect he and his men were told about in their training to handle these chemicals.

He is basically a simple albeit bright enough individual, who doesn't go online or follow any conspiracy stuff, cause that would conflict with his fishing.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 22, 1999.

< Water evaporates. Whatever this stuff is, it ain't just water.

Anything can be scoffed at; your scoffing proves nothing, except that we should all pity your relatives.

-- and I do feel (sorry@for.them), December 22, 1999. >

THANK YOU, mr. feely. I have a creek running through my property. Little did I realize that it must be some "pacifying agent" or some other government plat. It can't be WATER, because "water evaporates".

God save us. Jesus saves at First National Bank

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 22, 1999.

I hesitate to mention this because I did not really believe in the chemtrail concept. But I have just noticed them in west central Florida recently, and did have an unusual experience a few weeks ago.

While going on a 50 mile round trip, I noticed the trails in the sky. I kept track of them as I drove. By the time I returned, the one trail had widened and dropped to the point where it was very low in the sky, overhead it appeared to be just higher than a skyscraper. Pretty close, actually -- like when fog falls on a city. Close up, it was easy to see -- darker than you would expect (sort of dark gray) and foggy and spread out, yet somewhat stuck together like shredded, torn Kleenex. A "weird" wide strand of something. Could it be plane exhaust?

I paid no more attention to it, went home, worked outside, watched TV, but about 3 hours later developed a cough and difficulty breathing. I thought perhaps I was coming down with bronchitis. It bothered me for several hours. I completely forgot about the "chemtrail". In the morning, I woke up with a headache and sore throat. (Then, some time later that morning, I remembered the odd "chemtrail" -- ha ha!) The respiratory irritation lasted for a day or two but did not develop into an illness.

Coincidence? Who knows? This was the first time in a year and a half that I have had trouble breathing (and that OTHER time was from a real cold). The thing I saw drop down from the sky looked downright weird.

-- (normally@ease.notnow), December 22, 1999.

How come there are so many rational posters on this thread? This is a HIGHLY unusual situation. Usually there are an overwhelming number of gullible dimwits here, while the vast minority (those with a full deck) are shouted down.

I also would like to share a quote from veteran reporter John Lawton:

"The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 22, 1999.

When it comes to this Y2K thing I'm prepared. When it comes to contrails my curiosity goes off the scale. In my opinion something is going on and I,d sure like to know what it is. I don't believe in conspiracies and I'm not sick, but I sure am curious.

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), December 22, 1999.

Jeesus H. Christ, Normally,

I got a REALLY bad respiratory ailment a month or two ago. Was it because I have been seeing these chemtrails for ten or fifteen years, two or three days per week? Pretty weak evidence if you ask me...

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 22, 1999.

Sorry, the comments/excuses above don't "fly" - look at the evidence, not your conclusions: NO PATTERNS comparable to these for forty years, NONE, NOT ANY.

Don't know what they are doing (cloudseeding ?), or why they (the aircraft) are doing it, nor whose paying for it (us!)......but these are NOT "contrails". Further, after each pattern is laid over a region - where there were NEVER any regular ### patterns before, the patterns appear in a neighboring region....then (as stated in the original message) the ### patterns NEVER reappear in that region.

Therefore, you must give a single mechanically valid reason why this regular square pattern is never seen for forty years, suddenly appears, stays for a 18-30 hour period, then is not seen again. These patterns do not appear in isolation from other occurances: Further, you must explain why we are suddenly deluged with terrorism threats and bacterialogical warfare warning, with mandatory military inoculations, and with massive news media coverage of domestic and international terrorism and attacks on cities.

I said above I don't know what they are doing ---- and I won't claim now to know nor be able to guess. But these patterns are NOT regular contrails.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), December 22, 1999.

Robert Cook, PE, (what does PE mean, in your case, btw?)

I'm surprised at you. Usually you keep a level head.

Where are your data showing that:

"this regular square pattern is never seen for forty years, suddenly appears, stays for a 18-30 hour period..."

I've been seeing these "chemtrails" ever since the flight path between Seattle and San Francisco was regretably moved directly over my house ten or fifteen years ago.

In what areas are these "#" pattterns and lingering contrails newly showing up? Says who?

Even if they were new, why does that indicate that it's a conspiracy?

You also state, "Further, you must explain why we are suddenly deluged with terrorism threats and bacterialogical warfare warning, with mandatory military inoculations, and with massive news media coverage of domestic and international terrorism and attacks on cities. "

No, we do not have to explain ANY of these things. If YOU believe there is some connection, show the proof. Otherwise, post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

You also state that "Further, after each pattern is laid over a region - where there were NEVER any regular ### patterns before, the patterns appear in a neighboring region."

How very interesting. Especially if true. Again, where are your data?

Where are all the chemical tests that various people have indicated they were going to have done one the alleged spray which they were going to catch in pails of water? We have yet to see a single analysis.

One last point. Why is it that there has not been one single (to my knowledge, at least) in any mainstream news organization? Is it a giant conspiracy, or is it the fact that major newswriters would be embarassed to even bring it up?

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 22, 1999.

Saw chemtrails in the Albany NY area just yesterday. All over the place on my way to work.

-- nuttygirl (nuttygirl@nuts.com), December 22, 1999.

how funny. how ironic. as i was looking at the beautiful huge moon coming up here near Washington, DC, i noticed two or three CONTRAILS right in front of it!!!!!! what a wonderful blend of nature and unnatural.

-- tt (cuddluppy@nowhere.com), December 22, 1999.

Normally,

My daughter is a field biologist in Orlando. About ten days ago, she had a sore throat that went into bronchitis in two days. She had been very healthy just days before. So you are not alone.

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.Net), December 22, 1999.

I'm working on a really huge NWO conspiracy theory about the chemtrails. I also noticed that they have completely stopped ever since the disastrous rainstorms struck Venezuela. So TM got me thinking that the whole storm disaster was engineered as way for the NWO to get their greedy little hands on the Venezuelan oil resources, just in time to compensate for Y2K disruptions of our supply from other parts of the world.

Weather control research has been going on for around 50 years now, and we may have just witnessed its effective application during all of the chemtrails sprayings, which have escalated all year long, and then suddenly stopped when Venezuela got hit. I don't know enough about the specifics, but it seems possible that by constantly adjusting the temperature over the U.S. continent they could have moved the jet stream and ocean currents to achieve the desired goal.

We'll see what happens next, but I wouldn't be suprised to see some kind of a big deal negotiated through the United Nations/I.M.F./World Bank front awarding oil to the U.S. in exchange for humanitarian disaster recovery assistance to Venezuela.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 22, 1999.

Al K: what's it like to understand everything absolutely and to be privy to all of the top secrets of the world's governments?

-- a (a@a.a), December 22, 1999.

Protect the homeland. Might be around the corner, or around the next bend. But it will come!

-- 007 (home@protect.theland), December 22, 1999.

(Wavin' to Craig)
My, my, you've been busy today, haven't you?
Can you answer a question for me, please? WWJD?

-- (TrollPatrol@sheesh.now), December 22, 1999.

I'm in west central Florida with an outdoor job and I haven't seen a thing. Family has had colds, the usual sore throat thing this time of year. I the outdoor person didn't catch it. Maybe they missed my area near Lakeland

-- BeenThere (ccccc@yyyyyy.com), December 22, 1999.

As of 5 days ago they were still spraying in my neck of the woods. Great big X marks all across the blue skys. Abby normal, if you will.

Nothin's changed around here, in Colorado.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), December 22, 1999.

I have sometimes seen "regular" contrails - a short trail that follows the plane and disappears quickly, at the same time as "chemtrails", which typically do NOT dissipate, but rather spread out. There are clear pictures on some of the chemtrail sites that show the difference. I have also seen "chemtrails" that start, stop, start, stop... so atmospheric conditions would be quite a stretch as an explanation. Al K. Lloyd - your attempts to squash the discussion using ridicule and the idea that if chemtrails were true the media would have covered it... well, lets just say you may have misjudged your audience. People who have spent the last several months or years researching Y2K - in spite of ridicule and in spite of the media spin and lack of coverage - just aren't likely to be swayed by your feeble attempts. They just might be a little curious about why you would try at all. Better luck next time troll.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), December 22, 1999.

Dang it, a, who told you? Now you've convinced Linda that I'm privy to everything, and she probably thinks I'm a government agent. Like, probably my "mission impossible" is to make sure all you geniuses don't catch on to our spray regimen.

I won't tell...

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 22, 1999.

AlK,

We've had contrail activity over last 3-4 weeks (central Illinois). Even got some nice photos. There has not been much temperature or humidity variation over that time span. Clear blue skys end up lightly overcast after the trails spread out. Haven't had the sickness described by others.

And by the way...every time I run into you, more often than not, your condescending attitude is sure to show up. Is it too difficult for you to have empathy for another man's experience?. You seem void of any compassion. How any one can stand to be with you is beyond me. I would expect such behaviour from a sophomore in high school, not an adult.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), December 23, 1999.

While I would definitely not "put it past" the government to do a patterned spraying of some kind of pacifying agent, or the first part of a two-part agent (requiring the second part later to incapacitate you), or even a surreptitious but beneficial anthrax, plague, or ?? innoculation -- I would have to see them myself to believe them.

As someone above alluded to, most people hardly ever notice the life cycle of a regular contrail, so have no basis of comparison to determine if something is out of the ordinary.

And, any race of people that believe in "god", "sees" angels and stigmatas simply cannot be trusted to distinguish between reality and hallucinations. Add to that all those with no life who think promulgating hoaxes and writing viruses is "cool", I repeat, I'll have to see to believe.

-- A (A@AisA.com), December 23, 1999.

ALK: So you got a REALLY bad respiratory ailment? I am sorry to hear that, but I guess you missed my point. I did NOT get a "really bad respiratory ailment." I was not sick. I did not have a fever. I was unable to breathe easily for a short period and my difficulty eased soon enough. I had a brief 2-hour episode of headache and mild sore throat. Like a reaction to an irritant. All symptoms rather like what would happen if I got a lot of lungfuls of car exhaust from a bad muffler.

Plane exhaust? I don't know. You missed one of my points -- perhaps deliberately -- that this could be pure coincidence. I never said the correlation was not weak. Do you pay attention to what you read?

-- (normally@ease.notnow), December 23, 1999.

Hi everybody. We're still sick, gradually getting a little better. Our photos of the chemtrails over our area turned out very well.

The last 2 days have been unusually warm with clear, deep blue skies. What a blessing and rare event for western Oregon / Washington. Happy to report zero chemtrails the last 2 days, at least when we've looked. Since they linger so long, reasonably sure the planes have stayed on the ground here lately.

Sorry for those of you still seeing them. No doubt they'll return here too. Don't know if the planes have "assignments" in different parts of the country, or if each state has its own spraying fleet.

If anybody here who is polite and trustworthy has a scanner and the ability to take a photo and paste it onto a thread, we would like to post these photos to our original thread reporting our first sighting of these chemtrails.

As time allows we are putting together a hotlink list to all the Forum's threads about chemtrails; they started being posted last January, and there have been many threads.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 23, 1999.

I haven't see any, but why shouldn't the matter be discussed? Why are people ridiculed for reporting their observations?

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), December 23, 1999.

I saw some last Saturday in Rockland County NY and over Livingston NJ that were qualitatively different from anything I've seen before. They appeared to stand out from clouds they seemed to share a plane with (flat plane, not airplane). It was as if they were a substance that wouldn't mix, rather like oil and water. I do marbled paper as a hobby, it drew my attention because it resembled a pattern I'd seen someone do using fairly dangerous chemicals along with the inks. Later that day at sunset I saw some very dark contrails in the midst of blazing cloud colors. At one point this week I saw a trail do a curve.

Haven't noticed much activity over Ulster County NY recently. I'm on the flight path for Stewart Airport and spent years living in the flight path for Newark Airport, so I'm well aware of the usual patterns. These are not the usual.

As a side note on health affects, I have to report that my lungs have actually been the best they've been in my life, and for the first time I haven't had any bronchitis all year. In some ways this is just as anomalous as all those people getting respiratory illnesses who don't usually. Or does it have anything to do with my spending too much time indoors doing Y2k research and avoiding getting Lyme Disease again?

-- Firemouse (firemouse@fcmail.com), December 23, 1999.

Maybe their chemical supply company uses SAP...

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), December 23, 1999.

I'd posted about this on a chemtrail BBS, and had a response from "Mario", who seems to have seen the same curve I mention and photographed it. it is on his chemtrail photo site

-- Firemouse (firemouse@fcmail.com), December 23, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

A&L: I scanned mine at Kinko's. Putting the photo on one of these threads involves using the same html as would be used to put it on any page, but you'd have to have put the photos online somewhere. If you don't have a place to hang them, I'll put them up. Write to me privately about that.

I have already col lected links to 28 of the chemtrail threads since your having first noticed them (I think I got them all). There are still some few earlier threads. Most of these since June I participated in, myself. I tried to link all those at the beginning of each of my essays that I've archived.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 23, 1999.

You can also go to your local town library or college library and they will usually have a scanner you can use for free.



Hit your stop button on your browser so you can get this animation stuck on the 12:14 frame. You'll see 4 faint contrails going across the bottom half of the screen. I have never seen contrails on one of these photos before because they are usually too small to be seen. This must have come from some aircraft that was at a much closer altitude of the satellite which took the photo, or maybe from 4 aircraft flying lower in formation. Any guesses?

link to gif animation

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 23, 1999.

I live in southwestern CT , and saw the chemtrails (4) running from east-northeast to west-southwest , late Saturday afternoon . They were very noticeable in the nearly setting sun, as I was driving westward on I-84 . The strange part was , they were not only parralel to one another at the same altitude , BUT YOU COULD MAKE OUT A SCATTERING TO LEFT AND RIGHT , JUST LIKE YOU WERE FOLLOWING A SAND TRUCK WITH A SPREADER IN WINTER . First the scatter, both sides , NOTHING IN THE MIDDLE , then SPACES between the scatters . The plane(s) spraying, shut off the LEFT sprayer , then the right one , just after reaching the NY state border , AND , the spraying stoped there. The third trail in from the coast ,(i.e. northward )was unusual , because it looked like the guy spraying shut off the right one first , then turned it back on , shut off the left , and finally the right again . Of course , he could have run out of spray on the right side , and cut in a new tank to finish that run . The oldest trails were easy to determine , as they were spread out the most , AND , I saw they plane coming back to the northward side to lay down the next parallel run . That's when I turned off I-84 and lost sight of the " action " .

Must say , I found the idea of chemtrails hard to believe , as I live near an airport, am over 71 and have NEVER seen this type of vaporization pattern in all my life , 20 years of which I taught science courses and have a good understanding of the normal vapor trail . This was TOO LOW for that phenomena ! Of course , we are on the edge of the West Nile encephalitis breakout in New York City/Westchester county , but I doubt they would be spraying this late in the year. Eagle

-- Hal Walker (e999eagle@freewwweb.com), December 23, 1999.

Here is the isolated frame. Could this have been the shuttle or space station passing by near the altitude of the satellite? Do they leave trails of ice crystals?



-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 23, 1999.

Dancr, thank you very much for your kind offer. We took in the other roll for developing last night. It has the end of one day's sequence. Photos have been coming out clear. No question this is NOT NORMAL! If we had had our camera with us last night we would have had the most amazing photos of chemtrails bright orange in a spectacular sunset. All X X X X X X X X X in the sky, not # or |||||||.

Dancr, your web site about this is good, thanks for the work you have put into it.

No chemtrails at all yet today, Christmas, clear blue sky 'n sun out there, so unusual for Cascadia at this time of year! :-)

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 25, 1999.

Chemtrails are a dead issue. It was a hoax to get the guillible to unknowingly support the Green agenda.

-- Atta Girl (youvebeenhoaxed@sillybuts.net), November 20, 2002.