In Chechnya, the fuel bomb- second only to nuclear weapons in power, was used in areas south of Grozny

-- TC (TomC45@Excitemail.com), December 27, 1999

Answers

Not good...not good at all...

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), December 27, 1999.

I believe this is called 'fuel-air explosive". It is gaseous and, obviously, highly explosive. Dropped from aircraft. It blows your lungs up from the inside out. I don't know about second to nukes, however...rather a different type of nastiness. Billy-boy, can you expound?

-- Mr. Mike (mikeabn@aol.com), December 27, 1999.

It involves a two stage detonation cycle, the first being the explosion which causes the liquid to vaporise over a large area, then after a given delay, the second (ignition) explosion takes place, which is quite a destructive event.

I wonder if this was to eliminate the "rogue Russian military" which was mentioned in an earlier post?

-- scarletbreasted (scarletbreasted@hotmail.com), December 27, 1999.

I believe this was an American invention, as it was used in Vietnam to clear out a patch of jungle space so that a med-evac chopper could land. So it's been around a while. Very nasty, as it sucks up all the oxygen near-by to the actual explosion,and the temperature is VERY high, so even if you don't turn into a Krispy Kritter, your lungs will either sear or you suffocate, or both.

-- profit of doom (doom@helltopay.ca), December 27, 1999.

Bwaaahaahhhaaha! Some people are worried about them having nukes and the best thing they can come up with is a large molotov cocktail. That's real high-tech! Lol!!!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

Hawk???????!!!!!!!!!????????????????<0

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 27, 1999.

Hawk: You're being an ass again. You really should sit down and think once in awhile:-)

FAE are weapons reserved for specialized purposes. They are not GP issue weapons.

Accordingly, you MAY interpret this as a lack of "guts" to use nuclear weapons, but I see it as a subtle hint at the willingness to use unconventional (irregular) weapons in a non-combatant-rich environment.

Think Hawk--if they'll use these powerful (non-nuc.) weapons on civilians, and if they meet further resistence, what else do they have to bring to the party?

My best advice Hawk? Shut up and leave us some illusions about your intelligence. Watch the show in Chechnya and see what happens. Remember, they know they have an international audience. They want Western Powers to see their abilities and "guts".

FWIW.

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 27, 1999.

Nikoli ?????????????????

Come on man, I thought we were gonna have some fun! They said they were gonna nuke Checnya, what are they chicken sh*ts, or just afraid of the response from NATO?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

...please don't rattle off your entire list again of all of their dreadful weapons that Nyquist has told you about.

I say, if they are so big and bad, let them put their money where their mouth is. Bring on the nukes man, let's rock 'n roll!!

NATO has been wanting to wipe them from the face of the NWO earth, all they need is an excuse. Bring it on you big bad commie Reds, if you have the balls!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

Hawk:

I'm beginning to think you really believe you know something! Sadly, you show little knowledge and less wisdom. Your rants impress no one. Are you trying to get a rise out of somebody?

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 27, 1999.

Kurt, and you guys are so knowledgeable, you know exactly what Russia is going to do right? Well, how come then none of your stupid fear tactics have come true? Yeltsin might have a big mouth, but he gets his balls from a bottle of vodka, and his false bravado ain't going to get him nothin but a serious ass-kicking.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

Hawk:

No one knows what Russia will do. You should know this. Since when did observation of events and processes and analyzation of verifiable facts become "fear tactics"?

I think you need to cool down.

Nobody is being elitest with you Hawk--I'm "lucky" enough to have a military background involving, among other things, strategy and tactics. Basic intelligence skills, battlecraft, etc.

If you observe what is going on, put it into the right context (Communist history and global trends), and analyze the verifiable facts with the right education and process, you have a basic recipe for intelligence. This is common among militaries around the world.

Why does this bother you?

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 27, 1999.

Hawk;

e-mail me at e-mail

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge of .nowhere), December 27, 1999.

Kurt,

Are you trying to say that your military background gives you a better perspective on this situation than our Chiefs of Staff? Wow, maybe they should hire you!

Look, the biggest chunk of our taxes goes towards making sure that this country is secure so that we can sleep at night. And please don't give more of that right wing crap about how Clinton is selling our country to help Russia blow us up. Since that seems to be the origin of most of these far-fetched scenarios, I would ask you to please leave the politics out of it.

Political strategy is entirely different than military strategy, in fact, military strategy can be more effective when it isn't so obviously revealed by the apparent political posture of a country. When you get right down to it, even if Clinton was undermining the strength of this country, our military commanders would not hesitate to remove him from the picture in order to defend this country.

I don't think everything is as obvious as you think it is. Remember the expression, "beware of Greeks bearing gifts"? It's no wonder Yeltsin is paranoid. He is still playing the stupid old strategy where you flaunt your power, while he knows that NATO is playing a whole new game, concealing their power under the guise of "enforcing peace."

These posts have been speculating that big bad Russia, because they have their missiles all sticking up tall where we can see them, are more powerful, and are going to destroy us. A year ago they were saying we would be attacked this summer, then it was September, then it was November, and December. Now it is 3 days until rollover and you are getting nervous because they used a fuel bomb on their own soldiers that have turned against them.

I'm not saying you can't post this stuff if you want to, but that doesn't mean I have to "shut up" and agree with predictions that I think are preposterous. I think Russia is WEAK and SCARED, and the reason they propped all of their missiles up in a row is because half of them probably don't even work. The reason they used a fuel bomb rather than backing up Yeltsin's threat about using nukes on Chechnya, is because they know that if they do it will be the last military action they take for a long time. They know that NATO is not going to just kick back and allow that to happen, they are going to HAMMER them until they are at least as incapacitated as Milosevic or Hussein.

I am not trying to "get a rise" out of anyone, I meant what I said. If Yeltsin is stupid enough to think that he has more power, then let him prove it. Let's get this thing over with so we won't be distracted by these paper tigers that the NWO keeps sticking in front of us. We need to concentrate on the real power play that is taking place, and that is that the NWO are taking complete control over our lives.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

Hawk, dude... really... bring on the nukes... oh! my friend... Remember "Wooden Ships" by CSNY? Do you really want to see that? Those are PEOPLE being bombed.

-- (...@.......), December 27, 1999.

Just to give you an idea, hawk. The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were measured in kilo tons. Russia has always been known for building BIG bombs... Some over 100 MEGA TONS. One bomb, just one, is VERY bad news.

-- (...@.......), December 27, 1999.

As far as all that goes. The animation was trivial. That was a SMALL FAE. Hawk, In Viet-Nam there were certain air strikes that consisted of a big conventional explosive used to cut out landing pads for choppers. Regulations required that they not be dropped within 2000 yards of our troops because of the possibility of flying debris. Hawk, those were penuts compared to a really big FAE. I don't know what was dropped so I have to leave that where I have BUT the russian's posture lately has been very alarming. Surely you will admit that much.

-- (...@.......), December 27, 1999.

Hawk:

I'd really like to live in your dreamworld...

Now, back to the point. I explained where I'm coming from and how I come to the conclusions (and parameters) that I do. So you, in your infinite wisdom, attack me with sarcasm while simultaneously "forgetting" to show me your source of wisdom and knowledge...

Look at the facts, not the spin Hawk.

I KNOW I KNOW convincing you is out of the question--I don't care anyway. Think what you will. But if you have the right to an opinion, you have the same right to be accountable for it. If you don't like having to explain (which you don't based on your history of posts) then you'll have to accept people disagreeing with you.

I've said this before to you--read the whole post/story/article before jumping to conclusions about what the author's motives are (and you say I'm "out there" but you can read minds?) and what intent the author has by posting.

Slow down and think. You might surprise yourself!

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 27, 1999.

For Kurt: We have an old saying down here in Texmex that goes "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it waste your time and annoys the pig." Quinsabe?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 27, 1999.

Oh that's cute.

Kurt calls me an ass, and Nikoli calls me a pig. That speaks volumes about the kind of mentality we are dealing with here.

Please continue with your "Risk" game playing children, but don't expect me to believe any of these boyhood fantasies.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 27, 1999.

Hawk:

The class is STILL WAITING for your CV and sources of knowledge, wisdom and education...

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 27, 1999.

Hawk I did not call you a pig. I have no idea how you act at the dinner table. (But I do have my theories)

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 27, 1999.

href="http://news.excite.com/news/ap/991227/13/int-russia-chechnya"> Chechens Try To Open Supply Lines

By MIGUEL GIL MORENO, Associated Press Writer

GROZNY, Russia (AP) - Rebel fighters counterattacked against Russian troops in Chechnya's mountainous south today in an effort to free up crucial supply lines blocked by federal forces, military officials said.

Meanwhile, Russian artillery and jets kept up their onslaught on Grozny, the capital, with ground troops trading fire with rebels. Rebel forces were putting up a strong defense, and the Russian units appeared to be making little progress.

< signal of desperation? >

In a new attempt to crush rebel forces, Russian jets dropped aerosol bombs on rebel bases and fortifications in southern Chechnya, the Interfax news agency reported. The bombs release a large cloud of inflammable gas and cause massive explosions that can clear out bunkers and other fortifications.

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge. of no-where), December 27, 1999.

Russia Launches Military Satellite

MOSCOW (AP) -- The Russian Defense Ministry put a satellite into orbit Monday night from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in northwest Russia.

The military satellite Kosmos-2368 is to be used ``in the interests of Russia's defense ministry,'' according to a Defense Ministry statement cited by news agencies. No further details were given.

The satellite was launched on a Molnia-M rocket, which can launch about 2 tons of cargo, the Interfax news agency reported.

End article. This is the second military sat the russians have launched in three days. I'm not going to be very surprised, or happy, if these turn out to be EMP weapons.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 27, 1999.

sorry about the typo on the link!

Chechens Try To Open Supply Lines

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge. of no-where), December 27, 1999.

another VERY clear sign of desperation creeping in:

Young Russian Soldiers Reconsider

"Despite government assurances that no conscripts with less than a year of military experience would be sent into battle, several soldiers in Sasha's unit said they had been drafted just six months ago, after graduating from high school. Sasha, from the Ural Mountains city of Chelyabinsk, was drafted in June, when he was 18."

"That war was deeply unpopular among ordinary Russians, in part because of the army's practice of sending raw recruits into battle without enough training. Many young conscripts were picked off by guerrillas as they rode their tanks into the center of Grozny during the army's first, ill-fated attempt to storm the city on New Year's Eve in 1994; others were burned alive when anti-tank grenades hit their armored vehicles."

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge. of no-where), December 27, 1999.

Last thing both Boris and Putin want is a repeat of the 'last' time, yet here are two very clear pieces of evidence of a return to the policy that turned the citizens of Russia against the war.

So what's next? I do believe the writing in on the wall!

They, Boris and Putin, are not going to allow themselves to be boxed in again! That much is certain.

Just my 2 cents worth! But definately food fo thought!

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge. of no-where), December 27, 1999.

Putin's leading the show of force against Chechnya, one reason is to court the common comrade into supporting his bid for the presidency. He's a real fucked up bastard, and the US would be more precarious under his watch. Hopefully he'll make a fool of himself in Chechnya and his psychotic plot to be world tyrant will get unglued then and there. Until then, every assumption about this psycho lacking balls in Chechnya is wishful thinking; read up on what the KGB defectors have taught us about their strat, and read up on Putin's past military actions, then come back here and just try to wiggle your willy!

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 27, 1999.

Hokie;

Ummm - who was that last statement directed at? Did I miss something here?

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge. of no-where), December 28, 1999.