AI/Fuzzy Logic

This is worth re-postinng on Level One Forum. Something is going on other than commercial rip-off and media blackout. The issue may be parameters of (postulated)resolution by the network, individual machine application and resolution of cycling data interaction through the network: will outcomes yield a functional and sustainable paradigm.

Don't bother to flame. I'm monitoring this situation at home base and work. There are anamolies forthcoming from the " Machine Community "(where this is all based). Forgive a bold newbie/ former devoted lurker for speaking out on this site. You Old Masters have my most profound admiration and respect.I'm embarrased to post, but this is an important topic. cf "http://www.ai.mit.edu/events/brainsMachines/abstracts/F1999/theos

I posted this site a few days ago. I don't know if anyone bothered to check it out, or if sysops posted because I've been tied up with PC issues at home base and work. This is pertinent, it's important and it bears consideration."

-- charlie in houston (cml@workmail.com), January 05, 2000.

-- charlie in houston (cml@workmail.com), January 05, 2000

Answers

Sorry, Pretty Girl: maybe not clear. Check out the MIY site and make your own judgement.

-- charlie in houston (cml@workmail.com), January 05, 2000.

charlie-

while I find this interesting, it is way over the heads of most lay- persons. (I just said it was interesting, not that I read every bit of it...)

if you could SUMMARIZE anything at some point in the future about how this is working out, a lot of people would be interested.

particularly a summarization of this point:

"...cycling data interaction through the network: will outcomes yield a functional and sustainable paradigm."

I'll go back and read the whole thing, but the abstract mentioned that this applied to kernal-based learning machines. How much of the economy uses these?

of course, you're probably not reading this, so....

-- plonk! (realaddress@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Charlie:

Thanks for posting. I've been researching--trying to figure out just what the heck is going on...

Your idea IS worth consideration, but your link just confused me. I am not I.T. and technobabble is lost on me. Could you pull-an-Asimov here and explain this to laypeople please?

email is real.

Thanks again!

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), January 05, 2000.

real address and KURT:

No, really, I am following, I do this during my breaks at work and in the evening as able. real mail, I did read the response. I'm learning from each posting here, and each posting makes me think!

Kurt: the whole point is that AI is an emerging and very real phenomenon. When a program re-writes ( as in vanilla windows) to accomodate fluctuating environments, AI is operative. Kernel machines are part of a highly structured environment in MIT's research paradigm, but the subjects (the kernel machines and associated programs) do not restrict the validity of the paradigm nor do they negate the broad application of the results in the "netscape": modify, perhaps, not restrict. AI is a field even more lively than this forum. Controvery rages, researchers flame each other, take sides, draw battle lines, speculate, pontificate: but when the bottom line is reached, the good ones admit: "we don't know". All I wanted to do was draw attention to the fact that the literal and virtual father of the NET, MIT, had introduced this topic just before they decided to put their system to bed for the millenial roll- over. This decision was most interesting in light of the referenced seminar. Now forgive me, I am feeling abashed by my boldness and certainly will be more circumspect in addressing the forum. I have been put in my place by Pretty Girls and Millenial Babies,and perhaps needed to be reminded that I AM a newbie. But I damn will continue to lurk 'cause you guys are addictive.

-- charlie in houston (cml@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Charlie:

No, it's me who should be embarrassed here! Such a public display of raw ignorance outta be illegal eh?

I'm sincere here, are you suggesting that at least one reason we didn't suffer as many or as large failures was due to artificial intelligence?

If so, the implications astound me. If not, would you repeat it more Dr. Seuss-level please? I'm probably misunderstanding you.

Thanks for your patience.

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), January 05, 2000.

Yes. Please. More. I have a copy of Kurzweil's AGE OF SPIRITUAL MACINES shimmering on my desk -- forever to remain unread. I also read Gary North's review (AFTER I bought the book ... out of real curiosity) where he points out that Kurzweil fails even to mention Y2K. The idea that the Y2K design flaws in (some?) existing computer programs may actually be undergoing "mitigation" through the applicatino of AI programs is astounding. FURTHERMORE, what it suggest to me is that there might be an even bigger HICCUP coming down the way.

Oh yes .. go ahead. SPeak up. We'll humor you. ;>) IN FACT, it wouild be nice to have someone with a brain posting regularly.

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), January 06, 2000.

Sorry. Forgot to say so long while I go listen to Art Bell.

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-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), January 06, 2000.

The cognitive dissonance I experienced for the last 18 months before the rollover is nothing compared to the dissonance I feel now. Im still in a state of shocked astonishment and unable, except on nearly subliminal levels, to process the silence. Part of this, of course, is the surging jubilation over the absence of major catastrophe. But the other part that has my brain locked is absence of sensible explanation. As charlie put it, Something is going on other than commercial rip-off and media blackout.

(Something is happening here. What it is aint exactly clear.)

Right now, theres so much flak in the air as people vent their various emotional responses and sides struggle to push forward their preferred interpretations that its difficult to find rational thought. Maybe its as simple as enough was remedied. But then why did those who began so late fare as well as the most meticulously repaired? Maybe the explanation is that our fault tolerance was larger than we dared hope. (Because, perhaps, your speculations have merit?) Maybe the cracks are too deep to be visible yet and are working their way to the surface. Only if no cracks exist at all do we head into the Twilight Zone.

Stick around, charlie. If you have lurked long enough, you know the forum rolls through cycles. Another of todays threads is titled, Thermostat Apparently Malfunctions at Gold-Plating Facility; Fire, Evacuation Result. When I read it, I thought it was analogous to whats happening on this Board. Our collective thermostat was pushed over the edge at rollover. Lots of folks have cleared the building while the fire rages on. Hang in there. Eventually the heat will dissipate and the smoke begin to clear.

I keep envisioning the cartoon where the student is pointing to the final segment of a huge equation on the classroom chalkboard and saying to the professor, At this point, a miracle happens. Heck, for all I know, the poster who hypothesized that we all died and are now living in new dimension may be right on the money. Anyway, I appreciated your contribution, charlie. Your theories are as valid as any, and far more intriguing than most. This thread made my morning.

-- Faith Weaver (suzsolutions@yahoo.com), January 06, 2000.

All this "stuff" is Greek to me...but it sure is refreshing to hear the (shall I say) spirit of this thread. The world of intelligent discussion and speculation did not end at rollover. There is yet hope for this forum afterall! Thank the Lord for that!

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 06, 2000.

The trouble with artificial intelligence is that, well, it's artificial. The trouble with fuzzy logic it that, well, you get the idea....

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 06, 2000.

Fuzzy logic, Fuzzy Zoeller, Fuzzy Thurston, Fuzz buster, Fuzzy Navel, Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear

-- (fizzyfloozies@fuzzy.nation), January 06, 2000.