This guy may be an idiot, but to require this?!? Is this what we want in this country...psychological testing because the guy opens his mouth and says something stupid? This PC stuff is going to far.

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-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 06, 2000

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soon enough they will be wanting DNA testing for this sort of thing

-- Johnny (jljtm@bellsouth.net), January 06, 2000.

What other aspects of his behavior. The comments are inappropriate and in very poor taste, uncivil comes to mind. One does not need to analyze hate, it simply is... On the other hand, what other aspects of his behavior?

No it is not what we want this country to come to; however, in this case it might be warrented... It might not... What other aspects of his behavior? Perhaps the coach is being kind and not detailing those.

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 06, 2000.

It would only prove he's genetically very close to the rear of a horse.

-- H.H. (dontscrewme_2000@yahoo.com), January 06, 2000.

1) If we require psychological testing everytime someone says something stupid, we'd have to test the US Congress weekly! And most reporters daily...

2) Is organized baseball ever going to look stupid if his tests show him relatively sane!

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), January 06, 2000.

Rocker's only problem is that he's in the wrong period in history.

When I was born, in 1957, any man could make statements like Rocker's whenever he wanted to, & no one would raise an eyebrow.

Free country. Man's got a right to speak his mind.

Today, many people THINK these things, but must either keep their mouths shut or be very careful who they speak to. The politically correct gestapo can destroy your career if you say what the people around you are thinking.

We all live in fear of speaking our minds. This is progress...?

-- better keep (that@trap.shut), January 06, 2000.

Rehabilitation Reeducation Behavior Modification Instilling "proper values" in "Troubled Citizens" Moral Adjustment classes Multicultural Sensitivity training

-OR-

Thought Police Mind Control

One more step down the road...

-- Possible Impact (posim@hotmail.com), January 06, 2000.

Exactly what did he say that was not true?

-- Who Me? (Who Me?@un-PC.no-net), January 06, 2000.

Good points all around. Hmmm.... Do you suppose the coach is not just being nice, but rather hedging his bets... It is nice to be able to remember the sixties and late fifties, isn't it?

A box of .22 ammo was 52 cents and the rats were fat in the dump. Just go down to the dump and take a little target practice. Dad, did that, just before he went to Viet-Nam, I was only ten and didn't realize he was getting ready to go. He never told me. Man could that old man shoot. Shame about the agent orange thing. Still being an old fart I can see that it might have given him another thirty years even if it did take him eventually. Wish the VA had the guts to just admit it and take care of Mom like they should have... ah, well...

-- Michael Erskine (Osiris@urbanna.net), January 06, 2000.

I am a happy citizen. I love the government. The world is good. Life is good. Everyone is good. Thank you friend computer. Thank you.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), January 06, 2000.

Michael

How many of lost family and friends over there in Southeast Asia ... pobably most of us.

I lost my father, an uncle, an aunt, several cousins, and many friends and members of my tribe - many of whom were family friends - to that "police action" held 'over there.'

How many of us will ever forget that knock on the door ... the officers in crisply pressed uniforms and that envelope in one of their hands ... probably none of us that experienced it.

Like many surviving family members of that time .. I enlisted and served with honor and pride, following their footsteps onto a distant shore ... unlike them, I was blessed with the precious gift of being able to return home. But I too left a part of me on a heartless piece of sandy beach on a warm tropical island (another one of the countless over theres since) thanks to an artillery strike ... Several of my best friends were not so lucky ... a stainless steel box and a rubber bag was their transport home.

Perhaps, part of the problem with today's youth is ... they have no clear memory of what it is like to survive either of those experiences. Our great-grandparents had WWI to remind them of just how bad things could be ... our grandparents had WWII ... our parents had Korea ... and we had Vietnam ... and the countless small 'Vietnams' ever since.

What do our children have to remind them of the fragility of life and of the fleetingness of sleep without nightmares of the horror of war?

Does Granada, the Gulf War, Panama, Somalia/Ethiopia, or Bosnia count? Perhaps in a small way - but they lacked that larger picture back home ... the numbers deployed were too few for the American Consciousness to give more than a momentary acknowlegement, and they were over all too fast for the depth of the tragedies and horrors to sink in. Not fast enough unfortuately for the too many who died in those 'over theres' - everyone of them was one too many - because they did not have to be.

Putting our American family in that form of danger should never be 'Politics as Usual.' But unfortunately, that is exactly what it has become. And our children do not understand the difference, and many of us - to save our own sanity - have chosen to forget ourselves.

Maybe all of us need to remember!

Maybe us survivors all need some form of psychological evaluation to let us know that it is okay to feel, and to feel the way we do!

Maybe if enough do, we can truly thrive instead of just surviving!

Then again, maybe I am wrong ... but I do not think so!

I continue to remain ...

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge of.nowhere), January 06, 2000.

Who is god? Technology, or Mental Health Professionals (MH)? The legal system would say MH, media says it...now sports...must be true, huh? There must have been a poll that declared this our agreed upon religion, the religion of psychology...where is that link, I wonder?

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 06, 2000.

BTW...speaking of legal system giving too much creedence to psychologists...

As a professional in the mental health field, I am disgusted by the legal system's reliance of the "gods" of psychology to assess and heal all of our frightened and abused fringe elements (i.e. child molesters/abusers, rapists, assaulters, and uh cocky kids who spout off and say not-too-bright things in what used to be called "team rivalry"...).

Daily my office receives FAX after FAX from regional judges court ordering us to "heal" societies' rabid dogs, rather than incarcerating these persons who are a true danger to society. Who has time to assess a cocky kid? Counsel him for what? For being YOUNG?!

If you read the reports in the court records of some of our clients referred by the legal profession for treatment, you would see the despicable and brutal crimes that get outta-jail-free-cards via "mental health treatment", and you would understand my outrage.

As symptoms begin to manifest, most persons seek some form of treatment (doctors, shrinks, clergy, or self-designed life style changes). Understand that by the time an individual's antisocial behavior pattern has become pervasive enough to attract legal intervention, the individual has already refused multiple interventions from family, friends, teachers, doctors, etc.

The low wages in the mental health field have supplied us with incompetent therapists who think Johnny just needs to *talk* about his anger, then he *won't* try to hack his surviving family members with a butcher knife, again. Phooey!!!

Worse yet, the judges are either (1) naive enough to BELIEVE this mental health practitioner's god-like ability to "heal", and/or (2) pressured to reduce the state's cost of incarceration by finding "alternative sentencing".

And you wanna know about those DOC success stats? Yep, I interviewed for a position with them. Senior Management Analyst, to evaluate jail and prison substance abuse programs. In the interview they actually came out and asked me -- to my face!!! -- how I felt about altering data to reflect department objectives!

You cannot imagine how thoroughly corrupt the public mental health agencies are in my state! I've worked for 3, and of course have professional contact with them all. They are BUSINESSES first and foremost.

Just to break it down, if you are an unemployed mentally retarded adult incapable of finding DSS (dept of social services) let alone reading/writing to fill out the applications for assistance, then public mental health will charge you over a hundred bucks a month (that is your co-pay) to maybe get a case manager out to your house in 3 months to help.

Oh, and if the judge has court ordered you to get this service from us, and you ah are unemployed (why ELSE would you go to public mental health?), so you have no money to pay us, we discharge you for being financially noncompliant (really, that is what you are called), and uh then you go to jail.

But not to worry if we lose enough fees cause we discharge indigent persons for being financially noncompliant, then the boss will just fire a counselor to make up for the loss.

What? A new client and no counselor to see him? Then the boss, on company time, will see him, but bill the company a $90 consultant fee on top of his executive wages. Over time, you see, we have no funds for indigent persons, or quality staff. Phooey!

(Oops, rambling...sorry; will stop now.)

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 06, 2000.

This problem has a rather simple solution: trade Rocker to the Yankees.

-- Steve (hartsman@ticon.net), January 06, 2000.

As an ordained minister, I am frequently called upon to help individuals who are struggling to come to terms with some dilemna. I do not advocate 'professional' religious or mental health' intervention for the same reasons that Hokie so elequently stated .... it does not work that way!

No one can impose their beliefs, attitudes, or convictions upon another without severe repercussions down the road. The only true method I have discovered to help others is to help each find within themself the ability to help themselves. To unlock for ourself and within ourselves the natural healing abilities that each of us possess naturally. Critical self-evaluation and self-correction is the key.

Sometimes tho, we all need a little help along the way. And during those times, loving and compassionate guidance goes a long way.

I draw a line of distinction between preachers and ministers. Preachers tell ya what to he wants you to think, what he wants you to believe, and how he wants you to act m- telling you that is what God wnats; then charges you a fee to do so.

A minister helps you to discover for yourself what it is that you think, what it is that you believe, and how you 'feel' you should act ... and the reward is the warm-fuzzy feeling throughout your being brought about by knowing that you have helped another human being to become a lil bit better person.

I would like to think I am a minister.

the mental evaluation I spoke of in my earlier post, referred to that process of self-discovery - and the journey we follow to get there!

Comments, as always, are welcomed!

Blessings,

Rev ThunderLight

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge of.nowhere), January 07, 2000.

I draw a line of distinction between preachers and ministers. Preachers tell ya what to he wants you to think, what he wants you to believe, and how he wants you to act m- telling you that is what God wnats; then charges you a fee to do so.

SHOULD HAVE READ:

I draw a line of distinction between preachers and ministers. Preachers tell ya what to he wants you to think, what he wants you to believe, and how he wants you to act - all of the time telling you that is what God wants; then charges you a fee to do so.

gotta learn to watch them edits ... :-)

Sorry!

-- hiding in plain (sight@edge of.nowhere), January 07, 2000.