Anyone know someone that works in a central/regional-type IRS office? Anyone know how their computer systems are holding up?

-- nobody (nottoday@here.com), January 08, 2000

Answers

I may have a contact that I would be able to reach tomorrow. Will let you know.

-- john (john@worldnet.com), January 08, 2000.

Along that same topic, did anyone receive their W2s this week?

-- Lisa (lisadawn@yahoo.com), January 08, 2000.

Any employee caught revealing this kind of information is punishable by life in prison. My intuition tells me that they are even more FUBAR than the FAA, but if such information were to become common knowledge, the house of cards would come tumbling down.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 08, 2000.

i believe they have until end of the month to get them to us.

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 08, 2000.

End of month, as noted above, for W2s. The regular annual announcement came around about dates for distribution and all that at my workplace -- no change there, nothing through scuttlebutt about problems. I await further developments.

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 08, 2000.

Hawk,

Life in prison?

I think you may have exagerated the potential punishment a bit, don't you?

-- Lifeinprison (Hangem@high.com), January 08, 2000.

My accountant says he believes the IRS will say soon that ELECTRONIC FILING systems are compliant but the older computers are not...therefore, they will say, file electronically if you want your refund anytime soon. This way, they can fire all the workers who process tax returns manually.

Anybody seen the tax forms mailed yet???

-- INever (inevercheckmy@Onebox.com), January 08, 2000.

I usually get both the state and federal tax forms together in the mail. This year I received the MN tax form right away near Jan. 1 but have yet to receive the federal. Too bad I've already paid my income tax!

-- BeerMan (frbeerman@juno.com), January 08, 2000.

Hangem,

I'm sure it would depend on the degree of damage done by the leaked information, but I think you get the idea. Actually, your "hang 'em high" scenario is not too far-fetched either. The CIA can do everything from a slap on the wrist to fitting you with a pair of cement overshoes if they consider you to be a threat. Any exposure of vulnerability within the IRS would not be taken lightly, because it is the power supply for everything the gubmint does. If for any reason that source of power becomes endangered or reduced, things are gonna get real nasty.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 08, 2000.

My brother works in a regional IRS office, and he's been doing his job and sending me his usual email correspondence, without a single indication that there's anything wrong. As for the FAA being fubar, I picked up two friends from the airport yesterday, as they returned to our state for spring semester of college, and both their flights were on time. I explicitly asked if anything seemed strange or kludged about their flight, and they said it all went well. Either they're not FUBAR, or they've started hypnotizing the entire cabin on takeoff. Which do -you- think it is? Has it occured to anyone that if our technological infrastructure were on the verge of collapse, we wouldn't be able to get any of the news/incident reports people are claiming are signs that everything actually went to hell in a handbasket after all? Or am I just hallucinating the fact that I'm still getting cable?

-- MichaelG (yeahright@noway.com), January 08, 2000.

Oh, and as for tax forms, I got mine (paper forms and forms for electronic filing) on Thursday. Haven't gotten my W2's, though.

-- MichaelG (yeahright@noway.com), January 08, 2000.

Michael G,

The symptoms of the FAA are not necessarily going to be apparent at all times. They had two very major 3-hour long computer crashes last week, and there's no telling when this will happen again. Are you telling me that you won't believe there are any problems until your cable-TV goes out? That is some very peculiar reasoning IMO, and I'm afraid it's probably fairly typical of the majority of the public herd of sheeple.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 08, 2000.

They have probably concentrated their efforts on being able to record payments and process refunds. Will they be able to compare what's on your return with the information they get from banks, brokers etc.? If they have problems, you can be sure they won't admit it.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), January 08, 2000.

Received AZ state booklet, still looking for Feds. Seem to recall that in the past the Feds sent first, then state, anyway the Feds are late this time, always within the first two to three days it arrives.

-- claurann (claurann@aol.com), January 08, 2000.

ALWAYS receive the Fed form by the 3rd , along with the CT state tax form . Nothing so far . ALSO, NO VISA STATEMENT EITHER ( about one week late, to date ) and I'm really hoping , now . Silver Eagle

-- Silver Eagle (SEagle@nest.com), January 08, 2000.

2 Retired IRS Agents "EXPOSE" the income tax scam.

We are 2 retired IRS Agents and we have witnessed the IRS defrauding Americans for many years. It is destroying the freedoms of ALL Americans. It "MUST STOP" and it is now time to expose this fraud to ALL Americans.

We challenge you to ask ANY IRS Agent to show you a Statute that "REQUIRES" Americans to FILE Income Tax. They cannot find it. There is NO LAW that makes ANY American "liable" or "subject" to pay or file Income Tax. IRS fraud expert, Irwin Schiff 702-877-2833 offers a $5000 award to anyone who can find such a statute.

Bill Conklin from Denver offers a $50,000 reward. His phone number is 303-455-0837, in case you can find such a Statute. His web site is www.anti-irs.com He also offers a "free book" about the IRS that you can download and print up.

The IRS has for many years used Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Implementing and Enforcement Regulations (Title 27) to "ENFORCE" the Federal Income Tax (Title 26) and has used the ATF Regulations to fraudulently take homes and bank accounts away from Americans. Because the Income Tax is voluntary and un-Constitutional, the IRS Code has NO Enforcement Regulations! So in order to BLUFF Americans into paying Income Tax, the IRS uses Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Implementing Regulations to force and to defraud all Americans into paying Income tax that they are not required to pay.

The IRS is DEFRAUDING ALL Americans and is bankrupting and impoverishing America by "GIVING" all our Income Tax payments to the Federal Reserve Bank in payment for the "PHONY' Federal Debt. Look on the back of each and every check of Income Tax payment you have ever paid to the IRS. With the stamp shown below,the IRS has signed over ALL your Income Tax Payments to the Federal Reserve bank. YOUR INCOME TAX IS NOT USED TO RUN OUR GOVERNMENT. This fraud will BANKRUPT America.

The IRS has been defrauding Americans for many years. The IRS has even sent ALL your Social Security payments to the Federal Reseve Bank. Go check it out for yourself and then you will know FOR SURE that we are telling the TRUTH.

******************************************* THIS IS AN IRS CHECK ENDORSEMENT.

Pay any F.R.B. Branch or Gen. Depository for credit U.S. Treas. This is in payment of US. oblig; Must be paid in par N.P. Do not wire none-payment.20-09-0900 Dir.I.R.S. CTR. Kansas City, Missoury. *******************************************

The Federal Reserve Bank IS NOT a Federal bank, but is a private Bank owned by FOREIGN BANKERS who do not pay Income tax! Rothchild, (London), Lazard Bros. (Paris), Israel Seiff, (Italy), Kuhn-Loeb-Warburg,Lehman-Goldman-Sachs-Rockefeller, (New York). In fact, the Federal Reserve Bank has NEVER EVER been audited. Your Phone book PROVES that it is not a Federal Bank. They are listed in the Yellow Pages with all the other "PRIVATE BANKS." They put "Federal" in their name to deceive WE Americans. The Federal Reserve Bank is draining the American economy with the "phony" Income Tax.

AMERICA IS BANKRUPT WITH A $6 TRILLION "PHONY" DEBT.

The Federal Reserve Bank is destroying America! America "WAS" the richest nation on earth, until 1913, when the Federal Reserve Bank was created by foreign Bankers. This was passed in Congress on Christmas "EVE" 1913, when most Congressmen had gone home for Christmas. It was passed by Un-American Congressmen, who had been paid-off and bribed by the wealthy foreign bankers.

Now America is bankrupt with a $6 Trillion phony Federal debt, because EVERY single dollar in circulation has been "BORROWED" from the Federal Reserve Bank. The US Treasury prints our money and then "sells" it to the Federal Reserve Bank for the printing cost. The US Treasury then borrows it back and then we the people pay interest on the "FACE VALUE" of our money to the Federal Reserve Bank with our Income Tax payments to pay for the "PHONY" debt. This is the BIGGEST FRAUD in US history. This is a deliberate and planned bankruptcy to destroy America. Governments are the creators of money, and should not have to borrow it from a foreign private Bank.

Congressman Louis T. Mc Fadden, Chairman House Banking said..."The Federal Reserve Bank CAUSED the Great Depression by DELIBERATELY witholding money out of circulation"...Congressional Record May 23,1933. After 3 attempts on his life, Mc Fadden was poisoned at a banquet! Can you guess who killed him? They steal and plunder from America, but they even kill Americans.

Congress has been lying to you because it is mathematically impossible to pay off the debt or balance the budget with "BORROWED MONEY". President Woodrow Wilson confessed on his deathbed that he committed TREASON against ALL Americans. The Federal Reserve Bank will soon force America into bankruptcy when the interest on the debt has become un-payable. This will cause an economic collapse. This is when our corrupt Government will bring in the "New World Order" and we will be ruled by the United Nations. We will then lose our freedoms and Constitution.

We have already lost our Constitution and Common Law in the US Courts. All US Courts are now under Maritime Military Law with the New World Order, "Gold Fringed US Flag" (Army Regulations 260-10) "displayed" in every US Courtroom with a conviction rate of 97.3%. All US Judges have perjured their Oath to uphold the Constitution and are in CONTEMPT of the Constitution. Just seek the protection of the Constitution and the Judge will tell you to "shut up and sit down". This could NEVER happen in a Common Law Court.

All US Banks also display the Gold Fringed Flag. Many US Police Officers are starting to wear a gold fringed flag patch on their uniforms. Millions of Americans "unknowingly" pledge allegiance to the "Gold Fringed New World Order Flag" at schools, churches and scout meetings.

AMERICANS,IT'S TIME TO GET "MAD AS HELL" AND FIGHT TO GET OUT COUNTRY BACK.

Henry Kissinger said, Nafta and Gatt are the major stepping stones towards the New World Order. Nafta and Gatt caused 28.6% unemployment in Clay County, Tennessee. In 3 years Nafta has cost Americans over 700,000 jobs and more to come! Congress has "SOLD OUT AMERICA.! By the way, what ever happened to the "CONTRACT WITH AMERICA?" How can they forget so easy?

America's Founding Fathers formed our Government to SERVE WE THE PEOPLE and to give us "FREEDOM". Our Government has defrauded WE THE PEOPLE and has turned this around and now ALL Americans are ENSLAVED by our Government by working 5 months EVERY YEAR to pay the Phony Income Tax. That should make you "MAD AS HELL. Read on and you'll get even MADDER.

Our Constitution, Section 9 reads......"No direct Tax shall be laid". This has NEVER been repealed. IT IS STILL LAW. The Income Tax is a Constitutional violation. The IRS Code, Title 26 has NEVER been enacted by Congress into POSITIVE LAW. The proof is in the inside cover of all Titles of US Codes at your local Library. Section 7401 of Title 26 claims that the IRS does not have the power to lien, levy or seize property WITHOUT a Court Order. The IRS NEVER uses Court Orders.

"Notice of Levy" or Lien is just that, a notice, THERE IS NO ACTUAL LIEN!

Americans, you need to challenge the IRS when they try to take your property or bank account away from you without a Court Order. Without a Court Order they DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION to take ANYTHING.

The IRS has been illegally stealing and plundering from Americans for decades. It is a known fact among IRS Agents that the IRS is responsible for over 500 suicides per month, over half the divorces and 3/4 of the bankruptcies.

THE IRS IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

The proof....IRS Agents cars DO NOT have Government EX-empt License Plates! Most IRS Agents have no clue why. Plus.....the IRS puts 32 Cents Postage on ALL their mail. All Government Agencies get "FREE" license plates and "FREE" postage. Why not the IRS? IRS Agents don't even know why. Most of them have no clue.

Many years ago the Telephone Company "gave" the IRS a Government listing, because of many complaints from people who could not find them in the phone book. The IRS was created through a Puerto Rico Trust and is no more Federal than the Federal Express! As a private Corporation, the IRS is NOT registered to do business in ANY State! Without a Business License, by Law they cannot legally be engaged in business. A "heavy graduated Income Tax" is the Second Plank of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx 1848! Income Tax is the very core of Communism.

The IRS is only a collection Agency for the EVIL Federal Reserve Bank. The US Tax Court is located in Washington, DC. and has NO branches in ANY State! This is because the IRS ONLY has Jurisdiction (Authority) in the District of Columbia. Challenge their Jurisdiction and refuse to pay their $60 filing fee and your case will be DISMISSED. They only have Jurisdiction "IF" you pay the filing fee, because then you have entered into their arena.

Many IRS publications and IRS Agents handbooks claim that the Income Tax is VOLUNTARY. The word "mandantory" cannot be found in the IRS Code, Title 26. Why do you voluntarily pay Income Tax? Nowhere in the IRS Code can you find a Statute that says that ALL Americans are required to pay Income Tax........NOWHERE!

The US Supreme Court has ruled in Flora vs. USA 362 U.S.145. that the Income Tax is VOLUNTARY. They ruled that..."Our Tax system is based upon voluntary assessment and payment, NOT upon distraint" (Force). Tax liability does not appear on the 1040 Form and is not "defined" ANYWHERE in the IRS Code.

Every Statute says, "IF YOU ARE LIABLE" then you have to do this and do that. They also state that, "if you have a Taxable year"....."IF" means that YOU have to determine IF.... So if you determine that you are Liable and that IF you determine that you have a Taxable year, then you can "voluntear to pay Income Tax. If you determine that you are not liable or that you do not have a Taxable year, you are not "REQUIRED" to pay the Tax.

It is "YOU" who determines that you are liable by voluntarily filing a 1040 Form. Americans make themselves liable by filing Income Tax. If you don't file, you're not liable. Off course the IRS will try to "bluff" you into filing by sending you phony enforcement letters, with 32 Cent Stamps on it, quoting ATF Enforcement Statutes and Regulations.

Before you stop filing, to give you piece of mind, we suggest you place all your assets in a Trust. Your assets should be in a Trust anyway for all kinds of circumstances and protection. If you have no assets, no sweat. Then claim 9 dependents and stop filing and paying Income Tax. Then wisely invest the money saved and then retire in style as a millionaire. Then you will not need Social UN-Security.

The IRS Code, Title 26, only applies to Tax payers and NOT to NON-Tax payers. Always respond to their letters with this statement and tell them they have no Jurisdiction over you. This is called "THE BIGGEST INCOME TAX LOOPHOLE". In fact that this the name of a book by Otto Skinner. $45. P.O.Box 6609, San Pedro, Ca. 90734. This is one of the best books on the Income Tax. Plainly said...."the Income Tax Laws DO NOT apply to you if you do not file a 1040 Return, because you are not a Tax payer". If you are not a Tax payer, you are not liable for the Tax.

YOU WAIVE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BY FILING INCOME TAX.

When you sign the 1040 Form under penalties of "PERJURY", you waive your Fifth Amendment Rights, which state that you CANNOT be compelled to give "POTENTIALLY" incriminating evidence against yourself. This makes the Income Tax Un-Constitutional. They get away with this by declaring that the income tax is "voluntary". This is why the IRS Code Statutes say..."If you are liable"... Because if you pay Income Tax, you volunteer to pay. When you volunteer, then you make yourself liable.

The Fourth and Fifth Ammendment of the Bill of Rights give you the right to "refuse" to show your records during an audit. Only if you voluntarily show your records, can the IRS Agent audit them. Americans, STOP VOLUNTEERING anything the IRS asks you to do. They have absolutely No Jurisdiction and Authority over you.

THE IRS CLAIMS THAT OVER 50 MILLION AMERICANS DO NOT FILE INCOME TAX.

In 1991, the IRS reported that there were 163 Million Taxpayers. In a seperate report they claimed they received 111 Million Tax filings for that year. That is 52 Million that do not file Income tax. IRS Commissioner Peggy Richardson claimed in 1991 that one out of five has stopped paying Income Tax and that the Tax revolt is growing. None of them are in jail. Only a handfull is in jail because they yielded to IRS jurisdiction. In fact, you can only go to jail for falsifying Income Tax Returns, when you sign the 1040 Form under penalties of perjury. If you don't file, they DO NOT have jurisdiction. Without Jurisdiction they have no Case.

If they take you to Court,DO NOT HIRE A LAWYER. A Lawyer is an Officer of the Court and he will argue the Case for you because that is how he earns money. REFUSE to enter the Court and stay BEHIND the little fence and challege their Jurisdiction and DO NOT EVER argue the case. Once you argue the case, then you have yielded to their Jusrisdiction.

Become educated and eliminate fear of the IRS. Order the book "Economic Solutions" $8.95. Quality Press. 2888 Bluff Street. Suite 315. Boulder, Colorado. Also order "IRS under Indictment" and learn how to legally stop paying Income Tax. Advantage Publishing 1-916-222-4684.

Devvy Kidd, 12453 West Baltic Ave. Lakewood, Colorado 80228, also has very infomative books. Write her for a brochure!

Senator Henry Belmon in 1969 said....If Tax payers EVER discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff, the entire system will collapse. Before 1940 there was no Income Tax. To finance World War ll, we paid a VICTORY TAX, which was repealed in 1944. Why are Americans still paying this VICTORY TAX? It is because Americans are COMPLACENT and have fear of the IRS, because the IRS has cleverly made Americans think that they are required to pay Tax.

Order Irwin Schiff's book, "The Federal Mafia" $25 from Freedom Books, Post Office Box 5326, Evansville, IN. 47716. This book is also a MUST. Irwin will show you that....No law requires you to file Income Tax returns! No law requires you to pay Income Taxes. No law requires you to keep books for Income Tax purposes. No law authorizes the IRS to audit you. No law authorizes employers to withold Tax from wages. Talk to Irwin about your Tax problem at 1-702-877-2833. Become educated and order his video's and audio cassettes. He can be found on the internet. His Web site is http:/www.ischiff.com If you have a computer, enter patriot, tax fraud, IRS fraud, etc, on your Search Engines and learn more of what we have been telling you in this letter.

PRESIDENT REAGAN CALLED FOR AN INCOME TAX REBELLION.

President Ronald Reagan, May 1983.... "Our Federal Tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counter productive. It reeks with injustice and is fundamentally UN-American! It has earned a rebellion, and it is time we rebelled.

On January 1, 2000, ALL IRS COMPUTERS WILL MALFUNCTION.

The IRS has admitted that repairs required to make their computers year 2000 compliant are IMPOSSIBLE to do. All IBM Mainframes will interpret the abreviation "00" to mean 1900 instead of 2000. This will wipe out ALL IRS Income Tax histories. This is a "gift" to all Americans from all the early computer programmers. The time is NOW to stop filing Income Tax.

Eliminate the IRS out of your life, explained on 2 video's,$40. 702-853-2342. IRS Jurisdiction investigated,$25, on video, call 801-377-0570. Weekly Newspaper "The Spotlight" exposes Government fraud. 1-800-522-6292. Their web site is www.spotlight.org

Congress MUST SAVE AMERICA and abolish the "GESTAPO" IRS, Federalize the Federal Reserve Bank, and throw out the foreign bankers from our money system and start printing interest free Constitutional money. (US Notes!) The Constitution only gives Congress the right to create our money and NOT a private bank, run by foreigners.

Income Tax will then no longer be neccesary. Excise Tax, Tariffs and Duties will then pay for Government. When the British Taxed the Colonies, John Adams, John Hancock and other Patriots had the "GUTS" to rebel against their 5% Tax with the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution. Our country became free because of a 5% tax. Without these hero's we would still be paying Tax to the Queen of England. America needs HERO'S like that again to take our wonderful country back from the "BLOOD SUCKING MONEY CHANGERS".

Now Federal Taxes are up to 39.6%. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. All Americans MUST become Patriots and UNITE to restore Constitutional Government. Massive Civil disobedience is a "proper form" of Petition for Redress of Grievances and Political Protest. This is the ONLY way to wake up Congress. We Americans MUST force Congress to finally END the Income Tax scam. Imagine what your life will be like without Income Tax! You would be living a life of luxury.

AMERICA IS IN GREAT PERIL.

You MUST sacrifice your time and effort to help us inform other Americans. Being complacent will not save America. Americans have been complacent long enough. Send this message to all your local Politicians, friends, neighbors and relatives. Also send to your local Talk Radio's. When 100 million Americans stop filing Income Tax, the IRS will be powerless and Congress will be forced to stop the "phony" Income Tax.

Mark Twain..."In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, only then the timid join him". Our great country needs true Patriots again. Our Government is totally out of control. Our Government was created to serve We The People. Now we Americans have become the slaves and servants of our Government. Americans are not free anymore.

Our Government forces all Americans to obtain a permit or a license to do ANYTHING. Without these Permits and Licenses we would be breaking the Law. WHAT KIND OF FREEDOM IS THAT? Licenses and Permits are used to control us and to steal money from us. Our Government has taken away our basic God given freedoms! Our Government has TOTAL control over American.

If you want to be free again, we Americans need to overthrow the MOST corrupt Agency first and that is the IRS.

As retired IRS Agents we learned long ago about IRS and Federal Reserve fraud. Because we love America, we MUST expose the IRS Monster we have worked for. It is YOUR Patriotic DUTY to help us spread this news to ALL AMERICANS. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL! Earl Sorensen & Fred Fuller.

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-- ... (...@...com), January 08, 2000.

I usually post under my real name and email, but I don't want to get my sister in trouble. She works for H&R Block during tax time, has for years. I haven't talked to her about this for several months (I will now). But seh told me about 6 months ago that this myear (meaning tax year 1999) was a great year for ..... fill in the blank, that the IRS is really having major troubles computer wise and overload wise, and she was not even talking about Y2K/CRIME (see above thread for that acronym). This info is strictly FWIW obvsiously; my sis is a smart lady and does taxes esp for small business and helps people avoid paying any taxes they don't have to.

-- going going... (going@anonymous.thistime), January 08, 2000.

I might point out to others reading this thread a warning. Each of you should be very carefull before sending money to a cause you stumble across on the web. Many requests are simply scams seeking to separate you from your cash. But, others might seek to market or otherwise exploit any info you might send. Remember, your e-mail address, bank account number and/or credit card number are quite as valuable to others as they are to you.

Sending money to a cause you hear about on the WWW is like sending money to an address you might read on the toilet wall in the bus station lounge. In other words, you might want to count to ten before you dial that number. At least thoroughly investigate each source before even corresponding through e-mail. Do not assume that other posters who validate a particular cause are objective bystanders. Like any other references you receive from a possible con-artist, they may be part of the scam or be paid contibutors. Also, a 1-800 number is not an endorsement by the Phone company - lots of con-artists start out with such a number.

Sincerely,

-- Uhhmmm... (JFCP81A@aol.com), January 09, 2000.

Sir.You are 100% right about irs!Totally illegal & fraudulent.Don't believe me folks?Next time you fill out a w2 (warrant document 2)ask why on the back section there is a space above section b.That is because section a is missing.You won't fill it out if they printed that portion of the tax.It tells who must pay the income tax---gov't employees,officers,elected officials,etc.probably NOT YOU!!!!!Purchase a Ballintines Law Dictionary,don't waste your time with a Blacks.Start looking up words,you won't be happy!!!!Start with public or civilian. good luck and GOD bless

-- paul mika (tigerpm@netscape.com), January 10, 2000.