A very good (but overlooked) reason why oil prices are higher and will probably remain in a higher trading range.

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I don't know where our star poster John Whitley has been but he linked in a higher oil price perspective over on the oil foum that's been predominately overlooked by the mainstream media and eveyone else..

The End of the King Fahd Era in Saudi Arabia means the end of their pro-US low oil price policy

Everyone always focuses on OPEC, which is an illegal cartel based on US anti-trust laws. But they key OPEC successes and failures in the past lies with their 800 pound gorilla-Saudi Arabia who owns as much as 25% of the world's proven oil reserves . Y2k aside for a moment- A key question should be why is Saudi Arabia, all of the sudden, comfortable with upper $20 crude economics now when they've always ramped up production or vetoed OPEC deals (and even non-OPEC offers) in the past when oil economics surged to this level in the past?

The answer lies in a string of covert US Saudi deals (or even more accurately King Fahd & Reagan/Bush/Casey deals) that manipulated oil prices for US/Saudi political reasons. I can't do this subject justice in this brief context but let me wet your appetite with a few proven facts and pledge I get my whole 8 page multi-year researched newsletter electornically published over on my oil forum. (Request for help here. Whats the best way to get a physical newsletter scanned and posted over there?)

Here's a few snippets:

~ Direct quote from Cap Weinberger, " One of the reasons we were selling all those arms to the Saudis was for lower oil prices"

~Direct 1983 quote from Bill Casey, " The only way the...mafia style economy of the Soviet Union...can generate hard currency is by exporting oil and gas at high prices...This thing is so haywire, if we play our cards right, its (Soviet economy) is going to implode. Subsequently the Saudis opened the oil spigots and oil prices went from $35 down to $10. The Saudi windfall in turn went predominately to US weapons purchases.

~From Peter Schweizer's Book The Secret Strategy that Hastened the Collapse of the Soviet Union , " Lower oil prices became a key (Reagan) Administration objective in '85...Casey was keeping an eye on oil prices almost daily....It was against this backdrop that unusual import was given to an officialstate visit in early '85...One of the first foriegn heads of State to visit Reagan at the start of his 2nd term was King Fahd...The King would be getting a one on one visit with the President...No aides were present, no notes were taken...but the message to Fahd was unambigious...The President who had demonstrated his committment to Saudi Arabia wanted oil prices down for the benefit of both countries and the detriment of their common enemy."

~In 1988, it was quite evident the Saudi wanted to lend a little assistance to their VP buddy George Bush, then running for President...In April the Saudis vetoed an unpresidented offer from 6 independent oil producers to establish the first production accord with non-OPEC producers (Something we've just seen consumated in early '99). Two days later, Reagan ordered the US Navy to defend all Neutral (Kuwaiti) in the Persian Gulf...Oil prices slid to $13 in Nov which coincided with the Presidential election. By the following April NYMEX crude prices were back up over $20...

~Again in April and May of '92 the Saudis were the lone dissentersin an otherwise cohesive OPEC session...

~From Bob Woodward's book, Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, "King Fahd stepped in with $1 million /month and several one time contributions as high as $24 million to keep the (Nicaraguan) Contra program going after US Congress pulled the plug..."

So Fahd, Reagan and the old Bush are now history, with the first two mentioned now of the same mental capacity. Makes you wonder about George W doesn't it? Not this time. Fahd's half brother Abdullah, and now his new council that seem to be running things, are more pious and are NOT as pro-US. But it is interesting that none of these enormous changes in Saudi government that have been so instrumental to low oil prices and, in turn, our economic strength are even being mentioned by all the economic commentators out there.

I'll post another thread over here when I get my Saudi newsletter posted on line on the other oil market forum. I also have a couple from my Russian oil industry travels, or more acurrately travails, that are educational and very entertaining.



-- Downstreamer (downstream@bigfoot.com), January 15, 2000

Answers

Flame Away! But, am I the only one that ever read that Geo. Bush was not much more than a "bag man" for the Bush Family Cartel which has enormous oil interests in Arabia, Quwait, Oman, and Zapata Oil in Mexico?

-- Richard (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), January 15, 2000.

So you have something against defeating communism, and low oil prices? Why do you idiots rant against the best President in U.S. history?

-- goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), January 15, 2000.

"Everyone always focuses on OPEC, which is an illegal cartel based on US anti-trust laws." Of course you do realize that U.S. laws have absolutely no jurisdiction outside the United States, right? Huh?

-- Paranoia Will (Destroy_Y@BlackCopters.com), January 15, 2000.

Didn't I read somewhere that OPEC originally started as a tool for US companies to control oil prices, and that it is based on the structure of the Texas Railway Commission? Way OT, I know, but let's not forget where its roots lay. Good point about the new power structure in Saudi. Now that you bring it up, I don't remember reading much about the new situation there in the American media. Anyone have any links?

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), January 15, 2000.

Richard, All those countries you mentioned (I'm not sure about Oman) have nationalized oil reserves. For example, it is illegal for anyone except the Mexican gov to own the country's oil deposits. Zapata is publically traded so its easy to see who owns it. The Bush family has bigger fish to fry than financial gains on their personal oil company holdings. Your contention isn't factual so its tenious at best.

Goldbug, I think its masterful the way the Reagan administration orchestrated the economic collapse of the Soviets BUT 1) he only accerated it, it would have happened anyway 2) He and Casey and Baker went way too far. Its unconstitutional to fight secret wars. Thats why our gov was founded on checks and balances. The legacy of this is a +$35 billion secret sub-government, elitist black budget defense 'intelligence' operation. This scares me. 3) We haven't seen the full ramifications from their actions. We didn't learn anything in Iran. We're hated through out the world and the Mideast. 4) I have a big prob with oil prices being manipulated for Presidential election year reasons.

Para. Will, Right on. Thats why OPEC persists.

Cash, Patterned after Texas Railroad= correct, but the US wasn't getting along with any of the OPEC members in the early 70s and look at the havok this cartel wrecked on our economy and on our oil companies by nationalizing. I think OPEC was formed independent of US interests.

-- Downstreamer (downstream@bigfoot.com), January 15, 2000.



Downstreamer, Fascinating post. Thanks. You really hit the nail on the head when you stated "We're hated through out the world and the Mideast." to Goldbug. I think that America's John Wayne approach has p*ssed a lot of people off on this tiny globe and that this is about to bite the USA in the a*s.

-- Paranoia Will (Destroy_Y@BlackCopters.com), January 15, 2000.

Downstreamer Thank you very much for the explanation. Never too old to learn something.

-- Richard (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), January 15, 2000.

Downstreamer Thank you very much for the explanation. Never too old to learn something.

-- Richard (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), January 15, 2000.

Downstreamer Thank you very much for the explanation. Never too old to learn something new.

-- Richard (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), January 15, 2000.

Ya know, posts look better in italics, don't expect me to turn them off.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.com), January 15, 2000.



back to "normal"
The problem with "secret" or even "economic" wars is the tit - for - tat that always comes later...

-- Possible Impact (posim@hotmail.com), January 15, 2000.

Great post Streamer, thanks.

Does make you wonder just how lame our foreign policy is nowadays when you hold it up to something as beautiful as the Casey moves. I used to pass by Bill Casey's house on Long Island every day on my way to work.

It always warmed my heart to know that he'd lived that close, the devious bastard.

Klintoon and Richardson are amateurs next to these guys.

-- Gordon (g_gecko_69@hotmail.com), January 15, 2000.


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