---------------------------------------------------------------- Numbers enclosed in brackets indicate the number of computer breakdowns or failures for that day of the month. The Numbers given below are from the number of messages of computer failures that has been posted on this message board. ================================================================ YEAR OF 1999 BEFORE THE YEAR 2000 ROLLOVER DATE ---------------------------------------------------------------- 19 Jun (01), 23 Jun (01). ---------------------------------------------------------------- 05 Jul (01), 06 Jul (01), 07 Jul (01), 12 Jul (01), 14 Jul (01), 16 Jul (01), 19 Jul (01), 25 Jul (01), 27 Jul (01), 29 Jul (01), 31 Jul (01) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 11 Aug (01), 12 Aug (03), 18 Aug (01), 21 Aug (01), 23 Aug (01), 26 Aug (01), 31 Aug (03) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 08 Sep (02), 13 Sep (01), 14 Sep (01), 15 Sep (01), 16 Sep (03), 17 Sep (02), 20 Sep (01) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 02 Oct (02), 04 Oct (01), 13 Oct (01), 14 Oct (01), 25 Oct (01), 28 Oct (02), 29 Oct (02) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 04 Nov (02), 10 Nov (03), 11 Nov (02), 12 Nov (01), 15 Nov (01), 16 Nov (01), 18 Nov (01), 19 Nov (01), 21 Nov (01), 22 Nov (02), 23 Nov (01), 24 Nov (03), 25 Nov (01), 26 Nov (02), 30 Nov (01), ---------------------------------------------------------------- 02 Dec (04), 03 Dec (02), 09 Dec (01), 15 Dec (01), 19 Dec (01), 30 Dec (01), 31 Dec (01) ================================================================ AFTER THE ROLLOVER TO THE NEW MILLENNIUM ================================================================ 01 Jan (16), 02 Jan (19), 03 Jan (46), 04 Jan (48), 05 Jan (19), 06 Jan (44), 07 Jan (42), 08 Jan (20), 09 Jan (27), 10 Jan (24), 11 Jan (16), 12 Jan (15), 13 Jan (10), 14 Jan (14), 15 Jan (05), 16 Jan (09), 17 Jan (10), 18 Jan (15), 19 Jan (19) ===============================================================

The breakdowns may be relitively small, and there is hope for optimism, but these breakdowns are focusing more on Oil Refineries and Gas Pipelines and so we watch and wait to see if y2k is going to have mercy and spare the rest of the refineries or starts chomping down another refinery or two.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 19, 2000

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-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 19, 2000.

Numbers enclosed in brackets indicate the number of computer breakdowns or failures for that day of the month. The Numbers given below are from the number of messages of computer failures that has been posted on this message board.

YEAR OF 1999 BEFORE THE YEAR 2000 ROLLOVER DATE

19 Jun (01), 23 Jun (01).

05 Jul (01), 06 Jul (01), 07 Jul (01), 12 Jul (01), 14 Jul (01), 16 Jul (01), 19 Jul (01), 25 Jul (01), 27 Jul (01), 29 Jul (01), 31 Jul (01)

11 Aug (01), 12 Aug (03), 18 Aug (01), 21 Aug (01), 23 Aug (01), 26 Aug (01), 31 Aug (03)

08 Sep (02), 13 Sep (01), 14 Sep (01), 15 Sep (01), 16 Sep (03), 17 Sep (02), 20 Sep (01)

02 Oct (02), 04 Oct (01), 13 Oct (01), 14 Oct (01), 25 Oct (01), 28 Oct (02), 29 Oct (02)

04 Nov (02), 10 Nov (03), 11 Nov (02), 12 Nov (01), 15 Nov (01), 16 Nov (01), 18 Nov (01), 19 Nov (01), 21 Nov (01), 22 Nov (02), 23 Nov (01), 24 Nov (03), 25 Nov (01), 26 Nov (02), 30 Nov (01),

02 Dec (04), 03 Dec (02), 09 Dec (01), 15 Dec (01), 19 Dec (01), 30 Dec (01), 31 Dec (01)

AFTER THE ROLLOVER TO THE NEW MILLENNIUM

01 Jan (16), 02 Jan (19), 03 Jan (46), 04 Jan (48), 05 Jan (19), 06 Jan (44), 07 Jan (42), 08 Jan (20), 09 Jan (27), 10 Jan (24), 11 Jan (16), 12 Jan (15), 13 Jan (10), 14 Jan (14), 15 Jan (05), 16 Jan (09), 17 Jan (10), 18 Jan (15), 19 Jan (20) still counting.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 19, 2000.

Thanks for the post Brent.

~Dee

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 19, 2000.

Thank you, Brent. Pls. continue tracking and posting.

-- Bill P (porterwn@one.net), January 19, 2000.

Brent .... The questions I would like answered is : How many OTHER computer/systems did these contaminate with incorrect data , before they crashed ? Do we know ? Can anyone say for sure they didn't ? How long before we know ??? Eagle ... circling ... watching ... waiting .

-- Hal Walker (e999eagle@freewwweb.com), January 19, 2000.

This is very sobering data, but would be a lot more meaningful if it included JANUARY 1999 and the following months, so as to try to get a more "apples to apples" comparison that would presumably factor in seasonal characteristics (e.g., would a refinery be more likely to fail in cold weather rather than warm?). The data presented appears to only start from June 1999 UNLESS in fact it is saying that there were NO failures from Jan-May 1999. (Now, THAT would be VERY sobering!!! As in, GAWD!!)

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 19, 2000.

what is the source of this information? what companies does it apply to? is there actually someone keeping track of computer breakdowns? can you supply a url? thanks.

-- boop (leafyspurge@hotmail.com), January 19, 2000.

* * * 20000119 Wednesday

I concur with "KoS":

"This is very sobering data, but would be a lot more meaningful if it included JANUARY 1999 and the following months, so as to try to get a more "apples to apples" comparison that would presumably factor in seasonal characteristics (e.g., would a refinery be more likely to fail in cold weather rather than warm?)."

I suspect that TPTB anticipated and played the Y2K "fog" factors for all they're worth. After all, "fog" is their specialty.

Not many would have anticipated storing histrionics re various sectors (i.e., oil, coal, typical back-room system failures) for viable benchmarking against Y2K failures.

That's the game folks. Easy to bluff when cards are removed from the playing deck.

If anyone (Diane Squire?) knows of a resource that compiles pertinent stats, please post under separate thread.

Access to historical data would be a great help ferreting Y2K chaff from the "FRED."

Keep posting questionable data, however, for future posterity. As the "suspect" Y2K impact curve declines these could be useful for hindsight analysis. Valuable lessons can be gleaned from retrospect, too!

Regards, Bob Mangus

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-- Robert Mangus (rmangus1@yahoo.com), January 19, 2000.

The initial post in this thread said that these numbers are from the mumber of breakdowns. These are not limited to refinery breakdowns. The current breakdowns are focusing more on oil refineries and gas pipelines. It would appear that there were less breakdowns in January 1999 and if there is a good probability that the ones that occurred would not have been reported at that time because the interest in embedded system issues was not yet an issue to the persons posting on this forum. Read what it says.

-- Bob (Bob@bb.bbb), January 19, 2000.

Before leaving work this evening I stopped by the Bloomberg terminal to wander around the data on the energy sector collected there. There is a running news thread of stories affecting oil production that goes back two years. It includes news briefs about refinery shutdowns, both planned and unplanned and stories about planned expansion. I didn't have time to start tallying incidents, but the only thing which seemed even close to recent events was in January of '98 when the ice storm shut down a few refineries in Canada. If I get my real work out of the way tomorrow morning, I'll go back to the terminal and compile a data series. While it is possible that not every shutdown made the newswire, my guess is that it will represent a more complete database than this forum's archives. (Not that I want to dis this forum.)

-- Jay Golter (JGolter@aol.com), January 19, 2000.

Jay, will be watching. TNX

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-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.tree), January 20, 2000.

Mr. Koskinen had announced in December that the ICC had developed benchmark data on all sectors. Some journalist or institution could make a FOIA request for that (if it isn't already available) and post it here.

Why nothing is being said about that benchmark data is a question. There is also a question regarding why there been little if any mention of that data and how it compares with the growing reports of problems across a range of sectors.

-- abc (abc@bc.dc), January 20, 2000.

Wow, that's impressive. Can you stretch to just a little more context, like:

Where did you get these figures?

Who compiled them?

What country/area/planet do they cover?

Thanks.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), January 20, 2000.

Brent, those figures are useless. You say they are compiled from forum posts. Most of the computer failure posts don't have anything to do with y2k, or have not been verified.

I think you should get a life and accept the fact that y2k is a big nothing.

-- Mr. Sane (hhh@home.com), January 20, 2000.

Mr. Insane, tell that peach to the Venezuelans you pathetic moron.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 20, 2000.