The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who have recently met their demise in suspicious circumstances who appear to have some connection to the Clintons. I stress partial because new additions are coming in faster than closets can be found to hide the bodies in!

The Clinton Body Count

-- Justa (concerned@citi.zen), January 20, 2000

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I expected to see a half dozen names on that list. The list you provided is SCARY SCARY SCARY!!! Almost unbelievable.

-- (I'm@pol.ly), January 20, 2000.

The extraordinary number of strange deaths surrounding Bill Clinton was known before he was elected Pres the first time. The media nor the "people" didnt care then and they wont care now.

-- JB (noway@jose.com), January 20, 2000.

Cool!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

-- Surrounded (hiding@thefirststate.com), January 20, 2000.

Yawn ! This has been debunked as an urban folk legend, more smoke than mirrors. You are only calling your own judgment into question by repeating it here.

I'll even hot link the site for you

http://www.sno pes.com/spoons/faxlore/clinton.htm

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), January 20, 2000.

I am not responsible for any of these deaths. And I did not have sex with that woman.

-- Bill C. (bill_c@ovaloffice.gov), January 20, 2000.

I never knew any of this!

Very frightening indeed. Just in case I "commit suicide" tomorrow for replying to this, please look into it.

-- Cin (Cinlooo@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

Yes...very frightening.

Now that we are past the preamble of Clinton's Body Count, the curtain raises on the stage...the audience is silent, only to reveal:

1) "The Franklin-Coverup" (Senator John DeCamp) and

2) "Trance Formation of America" (Mark Phillips/Cathy O'brien)

A *must* read.

Maybe Big-GI "Rambo-Schwarz" would like to read these too...go climb down thier throats too!

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA! Sure.....right.

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

oK 'Sweeper'.....has this been de-bunked too?

Now that we are past the preamble of Clinton's Body Count, the curtain raises on the stage...the audience is silent, only to reveal:

1) "The Franklin-Coverup" (Senator John DeCamp) and

2) "Trance Formation of America" (Mark Phillips/Cathy O'brien)

A *must* read.

Maybe Big-GI "Rambo-Schwarz" would like to read these too...go climb down thier throats too!

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA! Sure.....right.

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

Kermit....you are truly clueless.

Kennedy? King? Vince Foster? Ron Brown? OK City? "Franklin Cover-Up"? "Trance Formation of America"?

God help us. What do one say to a person that can't think? Much less read? "Polly? this, that and...everything?"

Reality is....(Crack!) (as in: 'ice on a river')

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

The deaths that have occurred since 1/20/93 weren't known before he was elected pres the first time. But I agree, this is old news. The only thing accomplished by posting it is to allow Bill C. to scan it for men, like Ed Willey, who might have left widows.

-- Markus Archus (markus@archus.com), January 20, 2000.

(sorry. Browser locked up...then double posted. My error.)

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

In YESTERDAY'S paper, Jan 19, 2000, OCRegister,the story about James Sabow and his brother Dr David Sabow's attempt the uncover the truth. OLD NEWS??

btw Kermit...there is no way that "page" explains away all those "coincidental" deaths.

And when they say Clinton, I believe they are referring to the Clinton Administration, not Bill personally.

-- Cin (Cinlooo@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

"Old news..." Really?! hmmmmm....

As in, "Ummm....we knew that already!!!"

So what? What did you do with it...once u knew it?

Know what I mean? Don't like "old news that's been swept under the carpet, ignored, and never came to light, OR to understanding?

nahhh......it's "old". that will make it go away, and what an emancipating insight about it all, what it means, who's lives it affected, what it means about where our government and judiciary is, and, the American Public that would sit back and allow all this, and do nothing.

Yeah....your right, that's real old. Anyway, I'm bored...I'm American.

-- JustLearning (NowU@know2.com), January 20, 2000.

The Strange Death of Colonel Sabow

-- Cin (Cinlooo@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

"Yeah...those three million Jews killed in Germany? Yeah...that's old news." Circa 1942

"Yeah...those four million Jews killed in Germany? Yeah...that's old news." Circa 1943

"Yeah...those 6 millon Jews killed in Germany? Yeah...that's old news." Circa 1944

"Yeah...those 8 millon Ruwandan's killed in Africa? Yeah...that's old news." Circa 1990's (?)

"Yeah...those 80 million people facing starvation after the collapse of the "Asian Miracle"? Yeah...but you know...as soon as you tell someone, it's gonna be "old news". Ya know what I mean?

$@*-%$~*^!!!!!

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

The "Clinton Body Count" is not old news - it is fake news. Clinton is in his 50's and has been in politics most of his life, meaning that he has come in contact with a lot of people. You can expect statistically speaking that some of them are going to die. The authors of the Clinton Body Count have picked up every death happening to people remotely connected to Clinton and made it seem sinister.

I am not trying to say that Clinton is innocent of everything, or even that he has been a great President (although his economic policy looks good now.) Think about it - if the implications of this were true, why is Linda Tripp still alive? Why is Monica Lewinski on TV? One lone assassin could have spared us the entire impeachment soap opera and made Clinton's life so much easier.

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), January 20, 2000.

kermit, you are dreaming if you think this is fake news. it is also not an "urban myth" -- convenient term, that, and "conspiracy theories" for anything that is uncomfortable to the politically correct or corrupt. this info has been well known and well documented for years. (sort of like WACO -- a tape of Waco has also been around in Christian circles for a long time before it somehow came to light.

seems clinton had a rather large circle of dead folks when he started his office as president. and don't forget the two teens who seemingly witnessed some sort of drug deal at a railroad yard (i may have missed them on the list). some of the names on the list are pushing it a bit, i think. but others seem to be right on. i especially find the trooper and his girlfriend rather obvious!!!

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

No one ever said Waco was an urban myth. Did you read the Urban Myths site? It is pretty persuasive unless your mind is shut.

As for the trooper / girlfriend:

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9. Kathy Ferguson - former wife of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson, the co-defendant with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Found dead in her living room of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Interestingly, her packed suitcases seemed to indicate she was about to go somewhere.

Kathy Ferguson killed herself with a gunshot to the right temple on 11 May 1993 at the home of her boyfriend, Bill Shelton. Their relationship had fallen on hard times, with each accusing the other of having been unfaithful. Ferguson left behind a suicide note that read: "I can't stay here any longer. Things will never be the same for us. I can't take that." Close by was another note from Shelton questioning her relationship with another man, which Ferguson's daughter said her mother had been upset over.

There was no mention of packed suitcases in any of the reports about Ferguson's death examined so far, but even if there were, it wouldn't be the least bit surprising -- is it so unusual that a woman might be thinking of moving out of the house of a boyfriend who quarreled with her and challenged her fidelity?

Note how tenuous the imagined connections between Clinton and the "victims" are becoming at this point in the list. The ex-wife of an Arkansas state trooper? That's quite a stretch. Moreover, why would anyone kill Kathy Ferguson but not Danny Ferguson?

10. Bill Shelton - Arkansas state trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at her grave.

Shelton killed himself over Kathy Ferguson's grave on 12 June 1993. A suicide note was found beside his body. Just a month earlier he had quarreled with his girlfriend, accused her of cheating on him, and driven her to suicide. There's nothing mysterious about his death or his reasons for taking his life. And if the idea that the ex-wife of an Arkansas state trooper was a Clinton "connection" weren't absurd enough, we're now offered the boyfriend of an ex-wife of an Arkansas state trooper.

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22 & 23. Kevin Ives and Don Henry - seventeen-year-old boys who apparently saw something related to drugs in Mena by accident late at night. Officially ruled an accidental death on the train tracks, but evidence shows they died before being placed on the tracks - one of a crushed skull and the other of a knife wound in the back.

We're now entering an involved segment of the list wherein a number of deaths will be said to be tied to those of Ives and Henry. Ives and Henry were murdered, something a piss-poor medical examiner missed when he didn't bother to look beyond the obvious.

Henry and Ives were run over by a train on 23 Aug 1987. Dr. Fahmy Malak, Arkansas' former state medical examiner, ruling the deaths accidental, said the teens fell asleep on the tracks after smoking marijuana. A 1988 Saline County grand jury determined the boys were murdered and their bodies afterwards laid on the tracks, but no other conclusions were reached and no indictments were returned. The FBI is still investigating the deaths.

A number of Malak's determinations had been challenged and overturned during his career. He certainly wasn't always a conscientious medical examiner, and his Ives and Henry rulings were only two of many such botchings.

Getting back to the real meat of who killed the boys, nothing ties Ives and Henry to Clinton. Though various of these lists will claim the boys accidentally stumbled onto a "protected" drug drop and were killed for it, there's no reason to believe even that. In a 25 May 1990 hearing before U.S. Magistrate Henry Jones Jr., Katherine Brightop said her ex-boyfriend Paul William Criswell told her he and three other men were involved in the teenagers' deaths. Brightop said Criswell told her the boys tried to steal cocaine from Callaway's home and they were caught and beaten to death before their bodies were placed on the tracks.

Ripping off a drug dealer will get you killed.

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), January 20, 2000.

Hmmmm...government all his life, feeding at the public trough, never gainfully employed, parasite on the productive citizens, but knows what's best for us.

Bill and Hillary sitting in the tree, k i s s i n g, first comes the deal then comes the marriage, then comes Hillary with the baby carriage - not, singing we and Chairman Mao

-- Rancherdick (sorry@disgusted.edu), January 20, 2000.

Wow, I've never known so many people to commit suicide. In fact...I don't personally know even ONE person who has commited suicide.

Kermit, your undying loyalty the The Clinton Administration is admirable really, but it seems they would "do" you too, if the cause necessitated it. Business is business Kerm. Good friend or not.

-- Cin (Cinlooo@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

Pure lies manufactured by right-wingers. Pick a president, do some research, and you could come up with just as many links to dead people with any damn one of them. You might be fooling your ignorant fellow right-wingers, but you aren't fooling me.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 20, 2000.

ARKINSIDE

-- Info junkie (Ilik@it.here), January 20, 2000.

Glad to see Lina Thompson is still around. HI Linda!!!! Your the BEST !!!!!!!!

-- Info junkie (Ilike@it.here), January 20, 2000.

Pure lies manufactured by right-wingers. Pick a president, do some research, and you could come up with just as many links to dead people with any damn one of them. You might be fooling your ignorant fellow right-wingers, but you aren't fooling me.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 20, 2000.

Okay, Hawk, here's your chance for fame and fortune. Pick another president, ANY other president, left-wing or right-wing, and find 1/2 the number of dead people with ties to him as in Clinton's case. I guarantee you'll be famous, and probably rich as well!

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), January 20, 2000.

Okay, Hawk, here's your chance for fame and fortune. Pick another president, ANY other president, left-wing or right-wing, and find 1/2 the number of dead people with ties to him as in Clinton's case. I guarantee you'll be famous, and probably rich as well!

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), January 20, 2000.

You guarantee eh? And I have your promise as a trustworthy right-winger on that? Hah!.. that's a laugh.

The right-wingers obviously have too much time on their hands and nothing productive to do with it, so how come THEY haven't already done this with ALL of the presidents? The answer is obvious, because they are out to get Clinton, and that is how I know they are liars.

Politicians have more "connections" with other people than any other type of career, that IS their job! If this type of research were conducted objectively, it would take years of hard investigating to confirm all of the people who had ever met or had dealings with each president, and whatever information is still possible to verify would be presented for ALL of the presidents.

I have no respect for those who practice politics of personal destruction, and unfortunately I have recently become much more aware of these types of people than I ever wanted to be. I don't believe these lies because I am very familiar with the source. You are free to choose to believe whatever you wish.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 20, 2000.

Steve, I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince those brainless pukes out there of anything. They're obviously blinded by Der Fuhr...uh Herr Klint...uh the president's lies. The people who see this and know it for the truth don't need to be convinced. We can read the list and do our own research on the subject. We know of course, that no one will be able to prove anything, all the loose ends have been neatly eliminated.

As for Kermit and Hawk, would one of you be named Carville? No, scratch that, neither of you sound half as rational as that psychotic. You're obviously just concerned, card carrying Nazis, uh I mean Democrats. From New York, or China. I hope you catch the Arkansas Flu.

-- Tired of the damn (Nazis@theWhitehouse.gov), January 21, 2000.

The right-wingers obviously have too much time on their hands and nothing productive to do with it, so how come THEY haven't already done this with ALL of the presidents? The answer is obvious, because they are out to get Clinton, and that is how I know they are liars.

Now there's a nonsequitur for you. Why should "right wingers" want to "get" Clinton more than they've wanted to "get" any of the other Democratic presidents? And why should they investigate "right wing" (Republican) presidents? Obviously, that is the task of the "left wingers". Wouldn't they like to discredit "right wing" presidents? Of course they would, but unfortunately for them, there isn't any such trail of corpses around any "right wing" presidents. If there was, and you could find it, you would indeed be famous: the news media would leap on it like starving hyenas, as they are predominantly very left-wing indeed.

By the way, I'm a libertarian, not a "right-winger". I don't like ANY of the presidential candidates from either branch of the Republicrat party. So much for your theory that only "right-wingers" despise Clinton.

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), January 21, 2000.

"And why should they investigate "right wing" (Republican) presidents? Obviously, that is the task of the "left wingers". Wouldn't they like to discredit "right wing" presidents? Of course they would, but unfortunately for them, there isn't any such trail of corpses around any "right wing" presidents."

I can't speak for "left wingers", but as for myself the answer is no, I would not like to "discredit" anyone by using lies. You see Steve, there are still an awful lot of good people in this country who have much higher moral standards than the right-wing scum that resort to this kind of trash. And don't try to feed me that crap that Republican politicians are any less corrupt, I wasn't born yesterday.

"By the way, I'm a libertarian, not a "right-winger". I don't like ANY of the presidential candidates from either branch of the Republicrat party. So much for your theory that only "right-wingers" despise Clinton."

What a coincidence, I've been hearing an awful lot of people claiming to be Libertarians all of a sudden! The funny thing is that the most vocal ones sound like ex-Republicans who are too embarrased to be associated with that party any longer. What a shame, another potentially good organization being infiltrated by scum.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 21, 2000.

What a coincidence, I've been hearing an awful lot of people claiming to be Libertarians all of a sudden!

I'm not "claiming" to be a Libertarian; I am a libertarian. I've been one for decades. As for the rest of your comments, where did I say anything about discrediting anyone by lying? If it is true that "all" presidents have a similar trail of corpses around them, then it should be possible to prove that, which would make Clinton look no worse than the others. Why not prove it, and be the darling of the media?

-- Steve Heller (stheller@koyote.com), January 21, 2000.

"where did I say anything about discrediting anyone by lying?"

Oh, excuuuuuuse me! I forgot to be "politically correct"! How about FALSE ALLEGATIONS Steve, is that better? Show me the PROOF!

"If it is true that "all" presidents have a similar trail of corpses around them, then it should be possible to prove that"

Aaaah, now I see where you took a wrong turn, and you've missed my point entirely. I said that you could show the same "connections" to people that have died, I never said that these presidents were responsible for their deaths.

Get it through your thick head Steve, it is like Kermit said, purely statistical. The more people you know, the more people you will know who will be killed. Simple as that. I can tell you that 90% of drivers involved in car accidents ate french fries within a week before they crashed, but does that mean that the french fries caused them to crash??? Get a clue!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), January 21, 2000.

Could any of you handy Math whiz guys/gals run the statistics to give us the odds of so many military/security personnel dying? How about the odds of so many 'suicides' and plane crashes? Just wondering...

-- Just a citizen... (and@wondering.com), January 21, 2000.

It wouldn't be the first time that a government official fooled an entire nation into believing that all he wanted was what's best for them.

Hitler did it. And was responsible for the deaths and torture of nearly an entire race.

Why is it so inconceivable to think that someone may try again?

Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.

-- Cin (Cinlooo@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

In the interest of Equal Time: The Bush Body Count.

-- tongue planted (firmly@in.cheek), January 21, 2000.