Rumor has it that Mayor Daley's son went to a rave in Chicago and had a bad drug experience. Because of this, it is being said that Chicago has formed some sort of police force to break up the parties before they start. Is this true? If anyone has factual information on this subject, I would really appreciate a response. If it is true, I plan to do a paper on it for one of my Chicago politics classes. Again, if anyone knows anything about this tale for certain, I would like a response. I may also want to interview you and include you in my paper. Please respond quickly and with TRUE information. Thanks and keep on rollin'!

-- Anonymous, February 02, 2000

Answers

Actually, as far as I know, it was his daughter, and having just come from there (I lived there for the past year), I can tell you that police presence has increased only slightly. There is not (as far as I can tell) a special task force, but parties within the city limits have routinely been harassed to a degree that none of us have ever seen there previously. This limits the parties to outside the city in such places as the Dalton exposition center and in Madison, Wisconsin. There is also a laser tag arena and another exposition center (the names elude me at the time) but you may feel free to e- mail me if you have any further questions. You may also want to check out the raverworld.com web site. I met a couple of these guys and am fairly confident that if you were to e-mail them, they would do all they can to help.

-- Anonymous, March 18, 2000

Raves are over in Chicago ? Naw...

-- Anonymous, January 07, 2001

I do not know, but if there is partys goining on someone tell me when! I live norht of Detroit and I am looking to brawden my horizions and attend my first out of state party. Chicago is pretty close (4 hour drive 1 way) so.... Any one with some info shoot me an e-mail at davidprowen@yahoo.com, looking to go at the end of Febuary like the 27 or 28. Peace.

-- Anonymous, January 08, 2001

I do not know about the rumor because I have not heard it prior to this. However, raves will never stop and Mayor Daley cannot do anything because they are perfectly legal and all the venues are rented out. Also, if his kid had a "bad drug experience," then it's his own damn fault.

-- Anonymous, January 11, 2001

i am a chicago raver. no, they aren't over. but, yes, we get a LOT of shit from the police. ( check out boycott-boogietribe.com) we don't deserve any of it. the cops do have a right to serve and protect, not destroy and harass.

-- Anonymous, January 26, 2001

I was physically part of the scene in the blessed city for over 3 years from like 96-99. I saw the good and bad sides to what occurs. Harassment and busts were nothing unsual for us to experience on any given weekend, especially as time passed. Drugs are everywhere, schools, bars, and what not, but to me, there was never a full scale "We gunna getchya" thingy, but the cops did do there part in trying to end sometihng good...later!

-- Anonymous, January 27, 2001

I am a chicago Promoter/DJ for Sureshot Productions (312) 409-4034 we have seen the effect of this question up close and personal. In fact our company now has a $5,000 fine we are battling in court. We threw an event named Aquia Boogie and had sutible off duty police sucurity at the event, well the event went off without a hitch until our scurity left at the end of the night! Then a TASK FORCE entered our venue and with them were agents for the tresury dpt. The charges that we are being charged with are not that we threw a "RAVE" but that we were evading US TAX LAWS. We are currently still in the courts battling this but it does not look good. Does that stop us from throwing events HELL NO May 19th Chicago IL we are bring out the 611 tour and if we get hit again I can asure you we will fight it! So yes the Major of Chicago has hindered the rave scene in Chicago but no laws are made directly to our scene there just finding ways to bring laws already instated aginst us to sway promoters from throwing party's. PS- DJ's be careful if I would have had my records in the event and not in my car I could be looking at a $3,000 fine for being the artist!

Yours Truly

Nathan Sanger (DJ Wizdom)

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

All i have to say is that i was in the chicago rave scene from 97-99, and i know that may sound crazy to you because im currently only 16...but just listen...when i was leaving the scene, i did notice that it was starting to die off, with all these pigs busting the parties and shit like that, it is only expected that the scene die off...but that doesnt mean that is dies off forever, if you people want your raves and parties, then please, do me a favor and keep the raves underground...by all means, buy 80 acres of private property build a large ass wherehouse in the middle of it, and makesome fliers, but dont just give them to anyone, and make sure that the police or nething dont find out....currently i am in the houston rave scene, and the same thing is going down here...cops are invading the scene

-- Anonymous, July 11, 2001

All i have to say is that i was in the chicago rave scene from 97-99, and i know that may sound crazy to you because im currently only 16...but just listen...when i was leaving the scene, i did notice that it was starting to die off, with all these pigs busting the parties and shit like that, it is only expected that the scene die off...but that doesnt mean that is dies off forever, if you people want your raves and parties, then please, do me a favor and keep the raves underground...by all means, buy 80 acres of private property build a large ass wherehouse in the middle of it, and makesome fliers, but dont just give them to anyone, and make sure that the police or nething dont find out....currently i am in the houston rave scene, and the same thing is going down here...cops are invading the scene majorly

-- Anonymous, July 11, 2001

All i have to say is that i was in the chicago rave scene from 97-99, and i know that may sound crazy to you because im currently only 16...but just listen...when i was leaving the scene, i did notice that it was starting to die off, with all these pigs busting the parties and shit like that, it is only expected that the scene die off...but that doesnt mean that is dies off forever, if you people want your raves and parties, then please, do me a favor and keep the raves underground...by all means, buy 80 acres of private property build a large ass wherehouse in the middle of it, and makesome fliers, but dont just give them to anyone, and make sure that the police or nething dont find out....currently i am in the houston rave scene, and the same thing is going down here...cops are invading the scene majorly taking away our party privaliges...just reciently i went to a rave in houston called audiotistic....there were over 100 police officers there, and thats not including the security guards, and the off duity cops...its bull shit that we cant go out and have a good time anymore because we have to worry about being dragged off to jail for violating cerfew laws or standing next to someone that has drugs...all i want to do it to be able to go to a rave and not worry that i might go to jail for something stupid before the night is over...im 16, i have better thinge to worry about then that...P.L.U.R. thats what is it all about.....

-- Anonymous, July 11, 2001

Dance was here in 22 B.C. Dance will be here in 4050 Music was here before man Through music we always can

-- Anonymous, August 16, 2001

i read an article on the forbiddance of raves inside of chicago limits. if i remember correctly it was a niece of mayor daley and she had overdosed and died on ecstasy. (kids don't know their own limits any more) only two main places to party at and its the dalton and the photon in harvey. the photon used to be great before they shut down the laser tag arena. now its just a warehouse with no bathrooms. dalton, hmm, you can't fit oprah winfrey in that. but from two years ago compared today, yes, it has died. and if there are still somewhat of parties left, its on life support and the cops are trying everything to pull the plug. if anyone has been to cali and paid $10 to see top name dj's, i think you can vouch that parties here need inprovement. but ya gotta look at the cops perspective and see that at almost every party, there are kids going home in ambulances because they had a bad week and don't care about life so they decide to get too messed up.

-- Anonymous, August 27, 2001

i just became a raver ! and i need to know the whens
-- Anonymous, September 16, 2001

YES, THE CHICAGO PARTY SCENE IS OVER. ALL THESE DUMB ASS KIDS WHO ARE SAYING NO "RAVES" ARE NOT OVER IN CHICAGO, DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS UP. FOR ALL US REAL AND TRUE KIDS THAT WITNESSED TETSUO, PLANET BASE, JACK THE NATION <----- AMONG THE PHATTEST PARTIES. KNOW THAT THE SCENE IS OVER. I REMEMBER WHEN ROUTE 66 USED TO BE ONE OF THE PHATTEST VENUES AND WHEN HARVEY WAS THE TOWN FOR US KIDS. THEY DO HAVE A SPECIAL TASK FORCE THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND AND SELL DRUGS. AND THEY WILL SHUT YOUR PARTY DOWN AT 2 OR 3:OO IN THE MORNING. WE USED TO PARTY UNTIL 6 IN THE MORNING THEN GO TO A PHAT AFTER PARTY AND SPIN AND DANCE ANOTHER 5 HOURS. THE "RAVES" THESE DAYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED RAVES ANY MORE. THEY ARE ALL FUCKED UP BECAUSE OF STUPID ASS KIDS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEIR SHIT. ADD THIS TO YOUR REPORT: A LAW WAS JUST PASSED IN CHICAGO THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE 15 ECSTACY PILLS ON YOUR PERSON YOU WILL RECEIVE 30 YEARS IN PRISON. THEIR GROUNDS? THAT KIDS HAVE DIED. YET, THEY FAILED TO MENTION THAT IT WAS PMA NOT MDMA THAT KILLED THESE TWO KIDS. NOW-HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION-YES, THE PARTY SCENE IS NOW OVER IN CHICAGO. IT USED TO BE NUMBER TWO FOR PARTIES. NOW IT AIN'T SHIT. THESE NEW KIDS IN ANY STATE HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE BEAUTY OF MUSIC IN THE SCENE AND THEY ARE S-H-A-D-Y. THEY WILL RIP YOU OFF IN A SECOND. MY REAL AND TRUE PARTY KID FRIENDS ARE ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC AND NOT RIPPING YOU OFF. SO ALL OF YOU UNTRUE KIDS THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT REAL PARTIES NEED TO QUIT CALLING YOURSELF RAVERS BECAUSE YOU'RE THE REASON PARTIES ARE GONE.

-- Anonymous, September 23, 2001

i totally agree with nikki the scene has been dead since the begining of 1998. you so-called ravers are not part of the scene,because you did not help create the scene. you kids are just catching the end of our coat tails. and if you disagee, please tell me when a big name or old skool local name has spun at a recent rave party? unless an old skool production company threw a party, the answer is never.

-- Anonymous, September 27, 2001

esystem raves were the shit back in 1992

-- Anonymous, September 29, 2001

All you rave kiddies dont know shit!

I've been raving since 1975 and those parties were the groovilicious shiznat!

All these new shit parties aint shit. Just an excuse to get high and fuck yourselves up!

-- Anonymous, October 03, 2001

I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT FROM THE ONE I MADE EARLIER. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE DAYS WHEN THE REAL "RAVERS" BELIEVED IN P.L.U.R. THAT'S PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, AND RESPECT. I RECENTLY WENT TO EVEN FURTHER. THAT'S THE MIDWEST 3 DAY PARTY. AND I HAD SHIT STOLEN FROM ME. MY FRIENDS HAD MONEY STOLEN FROM THEM. THEIR CLOTHES AND EVEN THEIR SHOES. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?????? I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF SHADY KIDS WOULD STOP CALLING THEMSELVES RAVERS. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT TRUE RAVERS ARE ALL ABOUT-------> MUSIC AND P.L.U.R. NOT STEALING FROM YOU!!!!!! AND TO COMMENT AGAIN ON THE QUESTION---THE PARTY SCENE HAS BEEN OVER FOR ABOUT 2 EVEN 3 YEARS. NOT ONLY IN CHICAGO BUT EVERYWHERE.

-- Anonymous, October 06, 2001

Last night I had tickets for the "dance event" of Bugged Out 2. more of a dj concert. anyway, when i got to the venue-- the harvey expo--- cops were all over and the location had been changed to rockford. I was then unable to go to the event. anyway, this is the second time this has happened which really sucks. I just moved to the Chicago-area (which does not include Rockford!!! damnit!) and I am very dissapointed in the scene, or lack thereof. I came from Seattle, where believe me, the scene has still got a great vibe underground. I agree that you can't publisize and sell raves to people. it's just a fucking marketing ploy anymore. anyway, if anyone has a comment or wants to help me find something good about this area that would be nice.

-- Anonymous, October 07, 2001

YES THEY ARE I STOPPED SPINNING ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO I STIIL GOT FRIENDS THAT STILL PLAY/PRODUCE AND THEY TELL ME ITS DONE LIKE A TRACI LORDS MOVIE! DON'T GET ME WRONG IT WAS THE GREATEST TIME OF MY LIFE I WAS ON TOP OF THE WORLD TRAVELING EVERYWHERE BUT CHICAGO WAS OR IS A SHADY TOWN TO PLAY NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON (PERMOTERS) NOT EVERY1,AND EVERY1 OR HALF THE PEOPLE ARE UNDERAGED CRACKHEADS WHO ARE CHEERLEADERS WHO TOOK MOMMY AND DADDYS BEAMER OUT WHITH THE CREW TO BUY EX OR WHAT EVER FLOATS THERE BOAT AND TO SEE THESE KIDS AT PARTIES POPPIN 5 PILLS OR SNORTN COKE OR GLASS OR WHAT EVER THEY WERE SNORTIN DONT GET ME WRONG I PARTY AND THESE KIDS TOOK IT WAY OUTTA EXCESSS SO TAKE CARE COMB YA HAIR AND LET THE HARD RISE!! RICHIEFUCKINGWEL!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Anonymous, October 09, 2001

ok first off...your own dayum fault for not checkin the info lines....second...njoy can suck my ass

MISS CAPS...fuck off...i hate people who are like, im so much better cause im older and got into it so much longer ago...your weak

and it was his DAUGTER...and it was a 'g' overdose...jeezus get a story right

-- Anonymous, October 13, 2001

hahahaha, nice one joel. and it wasn't n'joy's fault, there were problems with the midway theater and you should be happy they even tried to put the party on

-- Anonymous, October 13, 2001

well, look i'm an older person that had been going to parties since 92', that person talking about 75' has gotta wake up, obiviously he's talking about hippy parties, but i'm so happy that i'm over 21 because im still able to see top notch dj's at clubs, see, we created a vibe, handed the reins over to you, but you could not keep things in moderation, yes its about releasing yourself into the music, and drugs have a subtle effect on it, but you guys are doing more drugs than you should. and for that reason, you are suffering from your own action's

-- Anonymous, October 13, 2001

I am coming to chicago this weekend to check out some of chicago underground parties. I live in detriot, it is my 21st birthday and I'm loking for the best spot to go in chicago so if someone out there is reading this and knows of some after hours or raves this weekend please e mail me back or call my phone 313 737 1804

-- Anonymous, October 30, 2001

If anyone is in Texas, check out the Austin scene. No curfew (unlike Dallas and Houston). Also plenty of ranchland in the Hill Country for all-nighters under the stars. The cops pretty much mind their own business too. Also, check out a club called Texture in the city. Nice progressive, deep house scene.

-- Anonymous, October 31, 2001

Okay...i started raving in chicago in 1998. it was the bomb...i'm in miami now...the parties suck...gang violence...can't go anywhere without finding a d.t...the house djs aren't even that great. i'm looking for GOOD parties (on par if not better than "Meow Mix 2", anything at Route 66)..i want to get back up to chicago, but reading this stuff makes me wonder...so...are there any GOOD parties?

-- Anonymous, November 01, 2001

no, parties suck... harvey sucks, photon has been destroyed, route 66 is gangsta', the globe bowl has been used and abused, dunn barr academy hasn't been used since tokyo, the aloha cafe hasn't been used since chicago unites, and i haven't been in your momma's panties since 9 months before your b-day... peace

-- Anonymous, November 03, 2001

Where are the parties? I've lived in NW Indiana my whole live, and was in the rave sceene from 94-99. That is when it died!!! Anyways, Im looking for a party in the future. If anyone knows of anything let me know. Later kids.

-- Anonymous, November 07, 2001

i think i came back to all this at the last positive wave... seems like the parties around here (chicago) are slowly changing into something else..... there wont be any more traditional raves or even semi whatusedtobe... because harvey is gone and other places wont do it..... RAVES in chicago? nah.... theyll end up being RAVES in 18 and older nightclubs... because thats the last place you can go....

saddened ciao paulina

-- Anonymous, November 14, 2001

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-- Anonymous, November 16, 2001

I just want to say that if people use drugs it's their choice. Not their parents choice, not their friends choice. I've never smoked anything, never drank anything, but the only thing I've ever done is ecstacy. People don't think before they do any drugs. How does someone get started smoking? Someone pressures them into it not because they know what it does to their body. Raves are a great place to meet people, listen to good music. Some people aren't mature enough to handle that enviornment. So only do drugs if you know what you're getting yourself into. Don't just jump into those things. Raves are fun, exciting and exhilirating! Please have fun and just remember to take care of the people you are with :)

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001

I think they've kinda gone downhill in the past year. 1999-2000 was the last year of decent parties. i was at maybe the last party at the photon b4 it went bye bye (Winter wonderland-the 8th wonder) and they reverted to using the warehouse adjacent to it since then. the last party i was at at rt 66 was GUH-HETT-OEE!, now it seems more parties are tied in with club promoters-wtf?! we need to move back to outlaw parties in basements, lofts, you name it. pay off cops(lord knows this city's seen its share of bribery and corruption! :) ) whatever we have to do. its become about money, cash and hoes, instead of music plur and vibes. I call all real party kids out in a call to arms to go BACK UNDAGROUND, 4 REAL. Fuck the Establishment, give us our Fucking raves Back!!!

-- Anonymous, December 04, 2001

I belive that the scene in Chicago is definatley taking a turn for the worst. You cant party at the Harvey and Boogie Tribe is no more. I think the that the media distroyed the scene for us. All of these 14 year old tennie boppers seen somethig about it on the news and their parents told them not to go so they did. I went to so many true underground parties before I went to my first main stream party and I didnt feel the vibe that I felt. There was no fucking unity. Everyone was just out to see who had the freshest gear, who had the drugs, and to get fucked up. Get a fucking clue. If you you want to do SOME drugs to enhance the feeling of the music cool but dont get so fucking blitzed that you dont know what the fuck is happening. I come from a place where the scene is just starting to build and its cool because it is about the fucking music like it should be. PLUR!!!!!!!!

-- Anonymous, December 04, 2001

The Daley thing was his daughter who flipped on E.I was hardcore into the undaground from like 95 to early 99 hitting some paties here and there when they worth it.The scene was dying before the daley sit.Parties that were like 10 bucks became like 30 35 bucks.The same venues like dolton then harvey,route 66 was always the despeation venue.The afta hours were the shit back in the day.like Sub ZEROs division spot,the blue collar nation rockwell spot i was a part of.I spinn hard,acid,tribal house DJ Hot Rod,I was str8 with all the crews Vibonauts,Vibe Alive,Team Buddah,Inkline,Boogie Tribe,Simple,Aftashoc,MAjesty,Blue Collar Nation,Pure,Groove Theory and all the rest.The last 2 real parties were New years 2001 at the Congress that Dusttraxx did.And the big ass rave at the rosemont convention center in like last April,some kid from ohio O.D.ed That was like another nail in the coffin.Actually in the summer like may the was a moving party on the el train that the city and CTA were involved in,it was like a 200 ticket event,but it was hype.Tommy Sunshine,Mel Hammond,Lady D spun up there Hillary's Glow prod. did that party with gabe who did parties in public storage facility on the southside in like 97 before that got caught up.But to have seen the scene when shit was realP.L.U.R and about the chi-house and Det-techno not the non-goovin jungle.It is truly dead in chi-town baby.If you lookin for a party hook up with ric H. in grand rapids,Mich(like 2hrs.) from chi.Or dubtech in det

-- Anonymous, December 09, 2001

I would like to say something on behalf of all the "new-skoolers". Maybe I don't look like you, or I'm not as old as you, or I don't have the same life like you. However, I've got to say something about all the bad vibes that everyone is expressing on this board. The scene is not dead. Maybe in Chicago it is, because of that anti- rave law that the City of Chicago put into effect in May of this year. That doesn't mean everything has gone to pieces. The parties have left Chicago and have gone West of Chicago, into Indiana, and into Wisconsin. I went to Chicago parties before, and these other ones are just as good, if not better. There is more space, it's friendly, and you can't bother anyone out there. It's up to the "old- skoolers" to pass on the vibe of PLUR. It doesn't take much. I've heard people being able to change the vibe of an entire party by just their actions. So keep this in mind before you start stopping this from going on.

-- Anonymous, December 09, 2001

On New Years Eve there is going to be a private party at a private club. The night is going to be completly awesome. It is all inclusive with a lot of guys and girls dancing drinking and having a good time. The location will be Chicago, IL. The price will be $45.00 in advance $60.00 at the door. Complete top shelf drinks and free flowing champagne, dancing and tons of nudity. Post below if you are interested in attending.

773-745-8080

-- Anonymous, December 17, 2001

...i have never been to a party.. only because i haven't had the chance... i just moved back to the US after being in iceland for two years with my parents... that fucking sucked.. but yeah. ever since i have been back i have looked and looked for anything.. i had a chance to go to one in madison but the car broke... anyways.. if someone can give me any help on finding a rave in wisconsin..preferably on new years, i would be very greatful.. thanks a lot. josh

-- Anonymous, December 23, 2001

6000 to get into a party, that is why the vibe is dead.

-- Anonymous, December 29, 2001

Hey all, There's really no reason to hate on each other. I've been invovled in the electronic underground DJ produced music subculture since 1993. From 1993-1997 (My high school years) there was a special vibe at Chicago parties. I went to college in Florida (1997- 2000) and returned to Chicago in late 2000 and in my opinion the scene has changed for the worst and here are my reasons.

1. DJing and electronic music became more mainstream and DJs were more in demand so they increased their rates, causing promoters to increase theirs. Venue prices went up and because of the "Crack House Law" are harder and more expensive to secure. What was once $5 or $10 bux has turned into $30 - $45 bux.

2. Miseducated use of drugs causing kidz to overdose has beckoned the eye of the media and the DEA causing a "crack down" on parties, most raves now, except for Tree House parties and a couple of others are mainly in Wisko or Rockford.

3. A lack of education about the sub-culture, it's roots, it's beginnings, the fore-fathers (and mothers), the creators and the music has caused a lack of respect and a total loss of P.L.U.R

4. The money factor has drawn a lot of people who start promoting for the sole purpose of making money has caused a huge down grade in the quality of parties, breeding unsafe venues, no bathrooms, expensive water, acts not confirmed, no lighting. Back in 93 a rave was magical, the music, the lights, the vibe. The promoter took the time because he/she cared about the scene, to get great lighting, sound and special effects so the kids had a great time. Now, as long as they have a couple of DJs, they'll fake the rest and throw it anywhere.

5. The main important reason to me why raves are failing.....The Mainstream world! When raves were underground, really underground, we never had problems. All of the sudden 12 year olds were telling their 11 year old little sisters how kewl it is to "rave" and they had no idea what it was all about, then from them word got out about these "secret parties" and everyone started going for bragging rights, as if a part of some elite group, and as it got more and more mainstream, it went more and more downhill. The entire premise of what the scene was built upon was lost. That's just how I feel.

-- Anonymous, December 29, 2001

If you're up for the drive, GO TO CANADA. There's all kinds of shit going on in T.O. (who recently repealed their public rave ban) and Montreal. If driving longer than you're going to party is a bit much for you, there's been a ton of events around the Cincinnati, Ohio, and Lexington, Kentucky area. My buddy Ruckus spins out there when he's not throwing down for the Canucks. http://www.djruckus.com I've only been living in Chicago for a year so I don't know what it was like "way back when" here but you all could do something positive by cutting back on the bitching and start fighting to clean up the disorganized and completely loveless mess this Police-state has pushed us into.

-- Anonymous, January 12, 2002

I stopped going to chicago raves in 97'. I'm convinced that the younger you are, the cooler raves seem. Like once you hit 19 or 20 you start noticing that raves are full of little kids. I remember back in 95 parties by ATP or the first Hardcore Chicago event were full of hot girls and pimps in their early to mid 20s. I was like 15 and thinkin' this is the fuckin shit! So yeah, after Terry Mullan and Hyperactive left town, disco house and all the dorks that came with it took over... that shit is cheezy! What ever happened to bad ass bangin basslines... I don't wanna hear remixes of shit from the 70s. Anyway, I think raves are over. Sorry.

-- Anonymous, February 04, 2002

I am A "Rave" Promoter from Chicago itself. I am also a party kid, i have been since 96, the scene in chicago has suffered horribly! The thing about his daughter, is true. She was at a "rave" which in fact was "legal" and had all permits required by the city of chicago. She did infact take an "illegal substance" believed to be Ecstacy. Laws trying to restrict the pressance of "raves" in chicago have been around since early 99, but have now come into full effect due to this situation. There are no "Anti-Rave Laws" persay, they are not titled as such, BUT are in effect here in chicago. For a statement of Such laws ive included this link http://fws.municode.com/CGI- BIN/om_isapi.dll?infobase=13322.nfo&query=novalue&record={4C7A} &softpage=newtestDocumentFrame Those of you here who live in chicago, and have been a part of the Party Scene for some time now, you all know exactly how the scene here is. There is no way to describe how awfull the partys have become, we have been forced to go into our suburbs to throw partys. We are confined to Burbs up to and including 3 hours away from chicago itself, and yet we still call it the "Chicago Scene". We sometimes have to go as far as Winsconsin to throw our partys. In the Shadow of these new laws, Orginizations are being formed to try and Combat some of these laws. We are fighting to bring the Scene back to the City, somthing has to be done to bring the partys back here, we are fighting for all of our rights. If there is any information that anyone here would like, or to find out about these organizations, please feel free to email me. One of the Majors ones coming up right now, which is attempting to Unite many of the chicagoland Production crews, and is so far being extreamly successful in doing so, is CEMA, Chicago Electronic Music Alliance. To find out about us, Visit http://www.ChicagoEMA.com the site is not fully up yet, but it should be within a few weeks. Feel free to Email us, or email me and i can send you info back. Please try and fight for your right to listen to the music which you love so much, and the right to assemble with your friends.

-- Anonymous, February 05, 2002

RAVES ARE AND WILL ALWAYS BE ALIVE!!! IF THAT MEANS UNDERGROUND IS THE PLACE TO BE SO BE IT. I AM A DJ IN THIS WORLD OF CONTRAVERSY. AND I HAVE TO SAY AS LONG AS THERE IS A BEAT IN THE HEART THE MUSIC WILL PLAY ON. iF ANY ONE IS THROUGHING A PARTY AND NEED DJS PLEASE GET A HOLD OF ME I WANT TO SPIN FOR EVERYONE WHO NEEDS THAT NIGHT, THAT FREEDOM, THAT REALEASE. THANK YOU AND TO THE MAJOR NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SHUT RAVES DOWN THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE LITTLE GUY IN HIS ROOM MOVING TO THE SOUND OF THE BEAT, AND CREATING A MOVEMENT.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

fukin' 'ell u guyz have got problems - come over here (uk) where the pc plods let u dance + smile!! cops over your way need 2 realise fuked people wanna have fun; its the pisseds that cause the trouble! sounds like you need 2 eek out the dodgy deelerz first tho...

-- Anonymous, February 19, 2002

What parties are going on over summer. I mean real parties and not those stupid special club night events that have pissed me off for the last time. Anyone know anything?

-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002

Attended too many raves to count in Chicago from 92 to 98. Had lots of fun while the fun lasted. My first rave was an abandoned and broken into warehouse on the southside. Generators fueled the turntables lazers. Remember walking out of some parties after 10am! Didnt need an after-hours party for those. DJs like Mysic Bill, Hyperactive, Terry Mullen, Paul Johnson, and Armani bring back memories. By 98,raves worth attending were scarce. Parties were reduced to splinters of their former glory. Now I live in Arizona and watch stories about raves on Dawson's Creek. The mainstreamers have tained the scene. Best bet is to buy a ticket to UK or Germany. Raves are over in Chicago.

-- Anonymous, May 14, 2002

The Chicago rave scene is over. All the so called "parties" are just glamorized club events. I'm not saying that I'm some old skool raver or anything, but I've been in the scene for a little while. After Harvey got shut down the only place it seems to party at all is all the way in fucking Rockford. How can you call Rockford a Chicago scene? Anyway, when I go to a party i want to dance, and at these club events now I have to deal with a bunch of drunk, egotistical, assholes who are only there to try and get laid. The scene which is supposed to be about the music has become a commerilized hot body contest.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2002

welcome to the future everyone. there is little that can be done about the death of DIY (do it yourself) well that is of course unless you want to take the time and effort to DIY, but that takes drive and a reason. Well i have a reason i was born and raised in Chicago and i don't see myself leaving antime soon so i'll continue speaking softly but i'll carry a big can of paint. don't be hard on eachother we all want somthing more, we need to ask for more we need to do more PLUR is a wonderfull moto that i have live by for a long time. I don't believe it is somthing to use in order to show others up though, R does stand for respect you know, this is a way of teaching through example. We need to stop pointing fingers and being angry find the DIY's, the punks, and the PLUR's get somthing started don't sell to the highest bidder and remember we are in control. With nothing to lose we face the true meaning of self. I would like to extend an oprotunity to anyone who reads this. My name is Marty Garcia, i am an artist in Chicago and i am doing a project of 1000 portraits of people i meet in chicago. i have completed over 230 in a year and 3 months. if anyone is interested please get a hold of me. all the portraits are given to the sitter, in otherwords you will keep itm, there is no charge i just want to meet and hang out with 1000 people. it only takes an hour and a half, and apon completion of the 1000 i will photograph each one in it's given enviornment. lets talk 773-276-5404

-- Anonymous, May 18, 2002

Over? Possibly for now. I used to attend many with my brother DesertCoder. As he said, there wasn't much use after 98. I encountered entirely too many ill mannered individuals after a while and decided the scene lost what I had so endeared about it when I first started. Back then, there wasn't an acronym to describe the atmosphere that I recall, but it seems now that those who preach it the most are those who don't follow it themselves. It is a shame that nobody wants to go out anymore because they have to look out for their wallets, valuables, clothes and even their shoes!?! Amazing what too many drugs and/or ignorance will do to someone. Sounds like straight-up crack-headism to me. If this is the kind of BS raves have been deminished to, sorry to say, I am glad they are gone. Until Chicagoens can learn to grow up, be responsible for their own actions, respect and take care of each other instead of stealing from one another or leave their so-called friends to die on the sidewalk or on their mother's front porch, they don't deserve the freedom. It just sucks that the rest of us have to pay for what everyone else has done. Too many good kids have died because they trusted that their friends were gonna take care of them, and too many idiots have wasted their lives playing superman with drugs (taking suicide cocktails). We'll see what happens in the future, maybe everyone will wake up and we'll get another chance. But as long as things go the way they are right now, you can expect the cops to stay on ya. I for one am doing my best to pull some people together and try to get the old feel back. Be responsible for yourself and take care of each other. Your acronym means nothing if you don't follow it folks.

-- Anonymous, May 20, 2002

Young kids please read. This is not the same tripe from 'old farts'.

Here is my take on it. I've been a raver for a long time, like since 1987. I'm 40 but still look like I"m 22-24. You can call it good karma (and using drugs moderately.)

Raves used to be to share joy and love with people, whether you knew them from before or not, through the bond of music. They were very underground and relatively small events, 1000-3000 people, max. It was not cool to get sexual and to treat the scene as meat markets. Shoulder rubs were cool, but we didn't go for the hips nor tits. Hugs were hugs, not to cop a feel. People used drugs, mostly E and K, moderately to find the music. They were never venues to do drugs for the sake of doing drugs.

In the last 8 or so years, these things have gotten bigger, 10,000- 15,000, not because there are so many more ravers out there, but because erstwhile drunk HS jocks who used to get into fist fights at house parties heard that raves are good places to scam on chicks, cuz they're easy while on E. This is the reason the scene has gone down the drain. People who have no business being in a PLUR environment are dressing up in rave-styled clothing and going to raves, calling themselves "ravers". These people include unscrupulous drug dealers unloading bunk, GHB or PMA, and include stupid kids who think they can impress others by telling us that they are on their 5th pill that day. Woohoo!!! Permanent brain damage is IMMEDIATE at that dosage, unless you have bunkshit, and the brain damage is PERMANENT. It hurts your ability to REMEMBER, LEARN and RECALL. Think about going to college severely hampered like that. And it doesn't come back.

I still go to raves, but not in Chicago, or major US cities. I'll keep the scenes I still go to secret; which still has the old underground PLUR scene intact. Why ruin a good thing by broadcasting it on the net?

For those of you who has made age a devisive issue on this board, please think about what I have to say. It is not age, but the mindset of the people attending that is the issue. If you are 16, or 42, it doesn't matter, as long as the reason you are going to a rave is pure. For those of you who are telling us old fucks to shut up about the past, you have no reference to tell whether what you are calling the rave scene is a rave scene or not. I have such a reference, and have not seen a rave in Chicago in the last 7 years. Promoters like Shadefree.com have gotten shady. They presell tickets, and then sell out events by not letting ticket holders in first. The people attending have gotten that mean edge about them, including some of the people who spread mean words here. Real ravers would not flame on a board, so if you have, I'd suggest that you either reflect on your life, do less drugs, or just stay away from raves cuz there is no place for meanness in the rave scene.

I don't have a solution. With a lot in life, once ruined, whether it be a forest or a species gone extinct, often, we can only regret about their loss. I am afraid that the true rave scene has gone that way too for a lot of major metropolitan areas. The bad people has awoken the feds and the local cops, Ashcroft is the Attorney General of the USA, special local ordinances are in place targetting raves, promoters are facing RICO charges intended to bust the mob, for operating venues as erstwhile crackhouses. Even if we all adopt a PLUR attitude and keep raves secret, away from the bad people who go for the wrong reasons, I think it is too late.

Peace, and hope to meet you sometime.

-- Anonymous, May 28, 2002

What's with this "rave" scene? 17 and hatin' it! i wanna go dance, but whack dj's, drugged out whack ass kids, and cops! i give mad respect to cats like fonz de la mota and the boogie tribe posse, along with treehouse collective. More people should give respect to the originators of this shit! without the old school, most teens would probably still be listening to some whack shit! PLUR? Yeah right! glostick...btb keep it jungle!!

-- Anonymous, May 29, 2002

Okay, RAVES are not dead. Maybe up in Chicago, but not everywhere, you haters. I live in Atl, and this shit still lives, we have raves every weekend, shit even on weekdays. You people should of fought for your rights.

-- Anonymous, June 04, 2002

I was a true believer in the rave scene when I was coming up. It was an escape for all that wasnt normall in society......For the youth For those people who were snubbed for thier intelligence and the way they looked ......It was a way for us to bond through music and self expression.......When raves became big multiplex glowstick freak circuses is when it lost its merit,its purpose. I understand that there are people who are fighting for the scene but in all honesty what do you know about the scene. it seems to me that the sort of people (in general but not all) that now attend raves are the sort of people that we were hiding out from.. For the advancement of music culture its a great thing. I applaud those that got something out of it I also feel sorry for those that never really experienced it. stay true to yourself and your art,music, whatever the case may be but dont sacrifice yourself to something thats day has come and gone

-- Anonymous, June 28, 2002

Coming from a kid that had many older cousins that were deep in the chicago scene, it sucks that the younger kids aren't getting to experience what I have heard so much about. True I've been to Madison. Ive been to Logan Square. Ive been to Harvey. But I can't believe that experience is what people so truly belived in,in the late 90's. If chicago wants a rave scene then we need to start and underground scene again. Info lines that aren't given to every dip shit out there, check points stuff that would make it more unique not some goddamn stadium or venue of that sort. And I have a bone to pick with all these older generation ravers, Were sorry we didn't get to experience what u guys got to but if i hear one more time about how the kids are the ones that are ruining it I'll slit my throat. You all sound like jokes. Parties are meant for the young sorry your time is up but don't talk down like you guys know all. Chicago Its time to wake up and get some underground parties afloat. Lets go Its our time now!

-- Anonymous, July 31, 2002

It is becoming increasingly harder for any "real" ravers or those interested in the scene to have the good times of the late 90's. We kind of brought it up on ourselves by the increased Ecstasy use. Don't get me wrong, I don't really give a rat's behind if you do use it, but raves are labeled as drug rings in the law enforcement community and that is not the image that the original founders of the culture wanted. Since the law wants to shut us down, I believe we need to use the law to back us up. I'm talking about privitization, get lawyers opinions and if I saw someone using X, I did not see a damn thing. Times are changing, and the rave has got to change with the times. Otherwise, we will be spinning a wheel with a giant lock on it.

-- Anonymous, July 31, 2002

Well, I was in the scene in the chi since sept/oct 1994 and am so glad i experienced and was the scene then. I don't put labels on kids that r new as long as they are true, which is hard to determin. But the scene everywhere suxx right now, and shit gonna get worse, lets take it underground and invite only? Yaya. peace. axel.madn----Need DnB cds, email me at axelmadenn@yahoo.com. peace/

-- Anonymous, July 31, 2002

Last night mystic bill and mazi put a phat oldschool loft party in afect at lil phil place on 18th and loomis.NO security klownz,a old skool password event.The Scene aint dead.Harvey expo,daulton ,route 66,cavalinnis be dead,but not the undaground scene.If you lookin for some cute flyerz,that stuff is over.Its back where it began.Undaground chgo.If you wanna pay 35$ for a rave/concert go ahead.Go to live on the decks in INdiana.5$ warehouses on the southside is what im about.Just listen for the

-- Anonymous, August 12, 2002

Addressing Jon Havoc's post, July 31, 2002:

I am one of those older people who posted above you in May, 2002, beaker257@yahoo.com. I never knew that parties are only for the young. I thought parties are for cool people who go for the right reasons. I never thought that my time to party is over. If you can manage to look as young as I do today when you get to 40, please let me know and then we'll talk. I am sending you my pic just to let you see for yourself. That was a pretty shitty thing for you to say to others, especially when you have no perspective to look from other than your tender years. I'd say it is out of meanness in your heart. Have you thought that, perhaps, the meanness which I wrote about may be a factor in wrecking the scene? You are guilty of that, if it is a factor. Reflect inwards, before even considering pointing your fingers outward.

And, what is wrong with some of the reasons others have given, that it is the new kids at the scene who are ruining it for all of us? Is it because you cannot accept these observations? That, would be a pretty weak reason to slit your own throat. It may not be you, but there must be some correlation in which some of us who have been around compare the old days to today, and almost all agree that the today is not the same as the old days. Pretty consistent observations if you read that page again. Could you accept the truth that kids OD'ing can cause politicians and police to react? Were people leaving in ambulances a normal part of the scene back in 1992? No, they weren't. Would the authorities have acted back in 1992 had ambulances been a normal sight at raves back then? Surely they would have.

Yes, you are sorry that you did not get to experience what we did. And, that is the only thing that you seem sorry about,---that you are not getting to enjoy what we enjoyed. Could it be that sort of self- centered "take it for all it's got" attitude without a want to give anything back to the scene that contributed to wrecking the scene? It may very well have. I think so. Could it be the devisiveness of your writing, that our time is over and your time is now, that alienated others from the scene? I think so.

Go back and re-read what you wrote. Pass a copy of that and a copy of what I am saying to your older cousins and ask them to consider what we both have to say. Then, mellow out, do less drugs, grow up a bit, reflect inwardly about just how good/bad a person you are deep down, and ask if you belong in the scene that we older people spoke about. I would not have befriended you had I met someone like you back then. Frankly, I doubt you would have gotten many invites to the double secret parties expressing the thoughts that you are expressing in writing today. We did not need that kind of negativity in the scene back then. IT WAS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING THAT WE WANTED TO AVOID.

Best wishes to you Jon, and may you heal from within before you turn old and 25.

Androo

-- Anonymous, September 25, 2002

on halloween on chgo. and wood will b a tqll undagrfound party wiyh 3D snuggles on drim n bass plus mad houze muzk.the real deal.hit me up 4 info if u dont kno

-- Anonymous, October 01, 2002

DUDEZ, RAVEZ R NOT DED IN CHiTOWN!! THEY'VE M00VED INTO KICK AZZ KLUBS LIKE RED D0GG (THE SEMINAR) AND CAFE LURA (ROTATION). DRUM N BASS IS TIGHT!!! RAVE ON!!! PLUR!!! HAWDCORE 4 LYFE!!! KID ENTROPY IS TALENTED!!! PARTY DUDEZ!!! WHERE MAHHH DOGGS AT????????

-- Anonymous, October 05, 2002

Hey new to the scene and i would just like to know where i can find some chicago area raves! please help me out--- mail me at... well you know.

-- Anonymous, November 04, 2002

mail chicagoparty@attbi.com to join a mailing list for parties in chicago. we will be throwing them in chicago. include:

.name .favorite genre of music .and who you would like to see

-- Anonymous, November 05, 2002

hey i know that the raves here in chicago have been going down a bit, but im sure that there are some going on, even as you read this, but i dont know where so if any one know where i can find a raves please reply i would be realy thankful

-- Anonymous, November 09, 2002

Yes. Oh yes they are dead in Chicago! I want to say they are pretty much dead accross the whole country. See I am not trying to be like oh I was there from the old days, but I was. I witnessed the rave scene from 92' and on. I was very much a part of what was going on by djing, promoting, and attending. They started out much different then what you think they are and now the people that started it all are hanging out in nightclubs, bars, graves. Raves were not very publicly known and they were difficult to find and they were held in very ackward places. You do not see this anymore. All you see is a shit load of young kids jacked up on drugs, getting into fights and pretending they are tough as shit. This is not a rave it is a god damn school dance. So, when I hear abouit a rave that was like the raves back when they were incredible then I will say that raves are alive, but for know RAVES ARE DEAD.

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2002

I havent been to a party in a minute. Now I was in the scene from 93 to 99 and I remember the Dee Day's, the afterhours at Subzero's and chillen at the rocks without getting kicked out. Parties are so different now. Raves ARE done. It will never be what it was. Which is fine by me cause I had a blast and I'd rather leave it at that then try to rebirth what was. Peace, not stupid ass plur

-- Anonymous, November 25, 2002

Yeah I was at aqua boogie, and Ive seen harrasment at its best. I remember chill'n at the rocks and getting thrown out, hotel rooms with all 20 of your friends hanging out. I wish that we could go back to those good days, but the reason its different now is not all due to the scene changing. Its, also partly, due to the fact that all my friends that Ive partied with, and myself, have gone off to college and started getting ready for the real world. I still love DJing parties for those kids who still enjoy the scene the way it is, but one thing is for sure....they will never understand what it used to be like, and eventually it will be time for them to just give it up and get on with their lives. I dont know if I will ever stop DJing and for that reason Im affraid I will probably continue to go to parties and do what I do. So for my last bit of advise...if you must do drugs(BE CAREFUL), if you are ever arrested do your time and dont NARK!, and remember that you have to grow up sometime. PeAcE ~*~*~WeRd 2 DrIvN Productions, Old School B-N kidz, and all those other "ravers"<- - heh did he just say that. "217" A MuThA PhUcK'N pLuS!!!!

-- Anonymous, December 10, 2002

Hey ya'll i just came across this board and thought i'd throw some opinion into this matter. I've been partyin for quite some time now, mainly in Colorado (the springs, denver, boulder, limon etc) and god damn have they gone down too. I remember back in the day i'd walk into a party and feel like i was walking on air (not from drugs either). That first second of walking in was always the best second of the night, week, month. It's like this feeling just blasts you and knocks you on your ass. The lights, the people, and of course the music.

-- Anonymous, December 28, 2002

It was just the most amazing thing i had ever felt, seen, and heard. But now adays it seems to be all about the money, all about the trendiness, and all about the law. The last party i went to was actually pretty decent. I remember the party before that though. I walked into it and felt most of nothing. Waiting forever to overpay for a lousy bunch of DJs who you KNOW are awesome, but theyre just doing what they do, doing it as a job, and not as a love. You can feel the difference just in the music, let alone the surroundings. You see 95% of the people sitting on the floor against the wall, with a vicks mask over their 12 year old face and their eyes sagging to the ground. You see all the cops walking around "trying" to be inconspicuious and bust people selling. Every now and then you see someone you remember from the days, but normally it's just all new, YOUNG faces walking around totally screwed up. Anyways, my only point is that the scene has totally changed, for the worse, and will continue to only get worse. The only thing left to do is go back underground and let the bullsh*t scene thats around now die off. I can't say anything as far as Chicago parties because i've only been to 1 and that was a few years ago, but i can definately say that the sh*t has hit the fan in Colorado. i do wanna give parties around here a try though to see what theyre like, so if anyone knows of anything goin down around Madison (within 3 hours) coulda hit me up and let me know? I just moved in a few months ago from Colorado so i dont know of anyone or anything around here. Also, if anyone knows anything about some good shops with good prices on vinyls and such could ya let me know? Thanks, keep it real ya'll.

-- Anonymous, December 28, 2002

There is a place in North America which still has it. I just got back from there from a 6 week trip. It's a place where people go just for the music and almost every house party I've been at has a deck and the host spins. It's a place where the people all are into the music for music's sake, where every DJ has his/her own niche and sub-niche in music.

The laws in that city were rough, but by shear numbers, the scene convinced city hall that raves are not to be killed. So, instead, they worked with the mayor's office to rewrite the rave laws so that it can work. The cops praised the promoters last week for a party they threw at an Indian reservation, for their cooperation.

I love that place. The people are not there just to do drugs, albeit, I got mine for about $8.50/pill. The people who go to parties range from 16 to 55. At the start of one party, they had a Wikka celebration with a dance troupe doing dances and skits symbolic of nature, exactly at the solstice, at midnight, Dec. 21st. People watched the dancers and clapped when appropriate. Even though I just turned 41, I made friends with a bunch of people ranging from 18-30 who invited me to their house for New Years day.

The place is now, and is still happening today. This means that, given the right circumstances and the right people, there still can be a scene just like the old days. The problem is in finding that right group of people and, somehow, keeping it within that right group of people. There probably are other places in which the scene is still tight. I just know about this one. I hope each and everyone who has the right attitude will find theirs.

It's a city of 1 million at the base of the Rockies. If you find it, please don't mess it up. For me, it's better to keep it a secret.

Androo

-- Anonymous, January 09, 2003

for those older people that saw it or for those who caught the end, bitching is not going to do anything,it's over, just remember how fuckin dope and beautiful it was. american pop culture is the cancer of the music industry, and underground subcultures, i'm sure the hippies of the 60's, the rockers of the 70's and the rappers of the 80's can all relate to this. one thing is for sure, i'll never forget the days of the chicago underground and the house culture movement. and lets face it, it's no longer a movement and that's why things are the way they are now.

L.C. minneapolis

-- Anonymous, January 11, 2003

just happened to come across this forum. there are nights that i just cant sleep because of my memeories of what the chicago scene used to be. It brings me to tears sometimes because i miss it so much. so underground, so pure and deep, changed my fucking life. and those years that i thrived on the chicago rave scene '93-'98 were the best years of my fucking life. and its gone forever.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2003

i live in forest park in 3 weeks or? so? i will be getting a rave going on in the chicago land or so i dress like a punker and i will be on the street of chicago putting the work out. so look for me on the street i will be out there p.s. live is the way you you make it fight from your right

-- Anonymous, January 22, 2003

Over. Gone. Finito. To rerspond to the first answer for the question, it was the mayor's daughter who has been to a 'party'. I attended high school with her and helped influence her cliqe to attend (youngest of three daughters and an older son.). We were Friends in passsing. She NEVER had a bad experience at a "rave". The CPD (Chicago Police Department.((in case your fukin' retarded)) )started cracking down on the undercover level in mid 97' after the Chicago Sun-Times's first FULL full color front page article reavealing to the first time to the masses, the fact that a ''party" (as WE kenew it) could, has, and will continue to occur. I used to party. Started in 93'. Now, I wouldn't recomended 'partying' to anyone for any reason other than the fact they are probably to those smart ass new fuks.on the scene

-- Anonymous, February 16, 2003

As I wish it were how it once was, it is not , so as for now I keep my ears and eyes open for good club events or even a good house party. make the most of it. Dance yer arses off! ;D

-- Anonymous, March 12, 2003

That "Acidic Pyramid" party at the Congress. & Brock out on that freezing ass night at the market warehouse. NUFF SAID. Bring it back like that- & I'll go again.

-- Anonymous, March 25, 2003

hey can anyone tell me where to look up 18 & over clubs in chicago or near by area or can some one give me some names , locations, or numbers hit it up at my email please, much thanks to those that doo o yeah it dont matter what kind of clubs either as long as there 18 & over thanks thanks thanks.

-- Anonymous, May 22, 2003

Yes, the scene in my opinion has been dead since late 1997. Too many clicks and conformists, that wasn't the point when this all started.

It was great that you could go to a party with everything from your basic nerd, to your stockbroker, to your party kids, and everybody was just culminating through the space, enjoying the music, creating a vibe/atmosphere.

You want to blame someone on this, blame these new school promoters looking at the dollar signs and not the party itself. when was the last time you heard an MC on the mike between D.J. sets thanking everone for making the event what it was, and that without them there would be no party.

It's like an old bible that all of the promoters swore by to educate the kids...

Too BAD nobody uses it anymore!!

Now it's about the cool clothes, the drugs, and the money.

The foundation in Chicago has crumbled and I don't think it will ever return.

Thanks, Evan Toutz A.T.P. 1994-1997 D.J.E.T.

P.S. Steve, Roy, Nate, D-9, and TRON if you see this... WASSUP

-- Anonymous, May 24, 2003

You are pretty old school if you remember: 1. Sounds of The Underground Tapes 2. Scary ass fire escapes 3. Wax Traxx 4. Alcatraz Thursdays 5. Baby Splits (My brain will never be the same) 6. Fat-Ass Dj Seven that sold bunk pills, or that big shithead Armando that sold bunk everything. 7. E so strong it made people lay on dirty ass floors. 8. Nitrous tanks at full scale events 9. That kid Dave with the acid from another dimension 10. Leaving a party with no cops or security in sight

If you remember these, you remember so of the best raves in the Chi.

Peace

RIP Rave Scene

-- Anonymous, June 13, 2003

Oh shit! That fat ass DJ Seven and his bunk ass pills. And that other shit Dj Trix... probably still bunking people out. The Chi town scene is so dead, it'll never be back. We're the city that started it, and the city that ended it. All that's left are hazy memories, a bunch of permanently spun out kids, and a few clubs with futile attempts recapture what a small handful of people got to experience. Yes... RIP Chicago...

-- Anonymous, July 04, 2003

Not only are Chicago parties dead, the entire national scene is dead. Look into the Disco Donnie/New Orleans/State Palace Theatre case. This is when the sh*t really hit the fan. Promoters getting thrown the "crack house law" for throwin parties. All in New Orleans-the party capital of the nation. I went down to New Orleans for Jazz fest only to realize that techno music is discriminated against. You've got your jazz clubs with nitrous tanks on the streets outside of them (no cops around) while on the other hand you've got your raves getting raided and promoters getting busted earlier that yr. It's like its okay to do drugs and/or dance all night and listen to jazz but its not okay to do the same with electronic music (kinda like a dead or phish concert vs. a rave). I've been told that the State Palace Theatre "crack house law" case in New Orleans gave way to an anti-rave vibe that went national. Police in other cities liked what they saw in New Orleans and enforced similar penalties in their cities. Now dj's and promoters can get in big trouble for throwin parties. Electronic music doesn't make sense to the older, more conservative people of the world so it makes sense that it's discriminated against. Techno has been labeled "drug music" and that's it's biggest problem.

-- Anonymous, July 22, 2003

rave was over long before i heard of a thing called techno. i was 8 years old playing kick the can on a late summer night with my best friend across the street when the first ones were going on. i've grasped at the remnants of it for the past five years. it's not the same as the past, and never would have been, but it's still fun and exists to some extent still in the underground form and also in the mainstream. yes mainstream. many people today go to ravey clubs because they don't want to pay $$$, grind on girls, and fail at getting laid. they go because they want to feel what it was like before, just simply have fun, or hear techno music instead of top 40's and hip hop. it's not a bad thing. things change, and it's nice to hear so much different edm nowadays from the growing multitude of independent producers. i think many jaded people find it glamorous to talk about the good old days, and how people don't know what it was like. guess what. today is going to be the good old days in the next 10-15 years. hippies have gone, polyester and disco have gone, rave is pretty much gone, and something is here/coming. it's not going to be rave, but it's going to be just as earthshattering new and exciting. the question is do you want to start that or keep dwelling in the past. i want to start it. laugh if you will, but something will emerge inevitably. ;-)

~V HOUSE is where it's at. (p.s. as a former chicago partykid, i must say that the chicago scene sucks, but dc is still kickin')

-- Anonymous, July 23, 2003

I hate to say it, but I am an "old fart" '93-'98 and I saw the writing on the wall way back in 97. The scene was so beautiful and sooo real...If you didnt have a ride, it didnt matter, some one at the map point would offer you one. If you didnt have a ride home, someone was always on the way back to Mad Town and happy to befriend you and give you a ride home from the party. I was like 17 when I first started and back then I was young. Towards the end of my experience, I began to notice that there were alot more drugs in the scene, and a lot less dancing going on. It used to be about PLUR, then it became about what crowd you hung out with or who you supposedly knew and what drugs you did. The events were always in run down warehouses or old movie theaters and you always had to go to a map point like Hogabooms in Wicker Park. Now they're in well lit places with lots of pretty shiny laser lights and other crap. Chi used to be the center of the rave universe but now its just about pop mainstream bull shit. However, I must acknowledge that as was the case with Blues music, Jazz, Grunge, Disco, Punk etc...These things cant reamain underground forever. Eventually they'll go MTV and youll start to see alot of rich bored kids from the suburbs start to desend on your scene no matter what it is. Theyll bring their drugs, their fake ass attitudes, their bullshit mainstream trendiness and the eventual demise of the scene. Is disco allive and well? Hell no!!!! Once it went mainstream it burned the hell out....just like the chicago rave scene. Sorry to sound so negative, but I am very bitter about seeing the scene go out like that. I was pushed out of my hip hop culture by the likes of Puffy and all those other 1990s sell outs and then I got pushed out of the rave scene by the same locusts who descended on the fertile fields of Techno/house. They came they saw they obliterated. And these same kids will move on to the next fertile field ie 'trend' and the next trend etc etc...It will never end. 'PLUR'-that shit was 4 real. Peace D

-- Anonymous, July 26, 2003

The scene was raw. INKLINE WHAT! Central n divison. Back when brandon simple was the door boy for kenny, but now he's a huge dnb star in the chi. BAck when traxx used to beat the decks to dust. back when there were jacker jacking. shit just whack now. CRACKWELL & FUNERALHOME !!!! lol nah im kidding, fuck the tweak joints haha.

-- Anonymous, August 05, 2003

Well, well, well,.... Here I am, three years later,.. wow,.. lots of posts, I think we are all right in a way. We all love the music more than the drugs, and we all agree that the drugs and sex, is not as important as the Electronic Rock and Roll.

I believe it is a good thing that the scene that was going bad, almost died out,... that's the only way to learn and try it again, and let it breath ...

I'm 28 years old now, and still produce electronic music (www.electronic-records.com) and I do not do drugs. Music is my drug, just like for most of us :)

What we need to keep doing, is keep being ourselves and only supporting those things that are good in nature. That's how we can succeed. AND DON'T LET ANYONE TELL US THAT WE CAN'T DANCE !!!

- Music is the key -

-- Anonymous, September 27, 2003

Correction from above : my site is (www.electronica-records.com) There you can find flyers from events 1995-2001. Rave-On !

-- Anonymous, September 27, 2003

Just moved in chicago from upstate ny and was wondering if there are any raves coming up in chicago.

-- Anonymous, September 28, 2003

I got into the scene and started poppin ex in the same night. The party was called planet base. The year was 1999 and it was a wide awakening for me in chicago. They transported us to the five story warehouse in a schoolbus. When we arrived around 11:30, they said they were'nt letting anyone else in. So we went around back and snuck in that bitch. All I remember was DJ Bad Boy Bill tearing it up behind the decks. Then we went to the rocks at montrose beach and watched the sun rise. From that night on, I was hooked on electronic music and MDMA. I became a frequent user and spent all my money on a party and a pill for the next six months straight. I ended up overdosing on G and X at some after hours club like a year later. I almost lost my life to that crackhead scene. Now the scene is dead and im happy. I'm a musician, and it was'nt about the music to me. In fact most of the music played in raves is horrible. It inspired me to start spinning when I would just hear some wack ass beats being played. Anyways, I found God, Jesus , and the holy spirit shortly after my OD and went through a very depressing recovery. But I thank God for saving me. I was a good kid that smoked pot occasionally until I got into that scene.

-- Anonymous, October 09, 2003

listen I don't care if it is a half of what it used to be, it has to be better than the crap at clubs. I live in cincinnati and there is nothing good around here(that i know of)but if anybody knows of anything kool LET ME KNOW!!! please

-- Anonymous, October 10, 2003

Yo the real "rave" scene is dead! But dont worry the underground scene is alive and kicking.Example house,loft,roof and basement parties happen every weekend thru out the city and if i remember corectly thats how it all got started.So find one these parties and make your own rave,I do it every weekend and in a way its better.... p.s. dont fry your brain.Bake it!

-- Anonymous, October 13, 2003

Don't blame the drugs, Don't blame the Cops, Don't totally blame the shady ass promoters...BLAME THE DUMBASS PEOPLE THAT STARTED "RAVING" IN 1998 ON! THATS WHEN STUPID SHIT STARTED HAPPENING AND TOTAL MORONS STARTED SHOWING UP AT RAVES. FEEL ME?

-- Anonymous, October 28, 2003

It's all about the lofty's now a days. Every now an then, you can catch Justin, or John Simmons, sometimes Jevon making appearances. I saw some of the most disrespect towards a dj recently. What I witnessed was Traxx gettin sprayed with a fucking hose, because of some g'bangers fighting at this party. Utter disrespect....Kepp your eyes and ears open for the realness people...be true..be faithful. BRING BACK CAVALINNIS!!!!!!! INKLINE WHAT!!!

-- Anonymous, November 12, 2003

Yes, Raves were gone for a long, long time. Thank God the underground and the info-line is making a comeback.

- Matt

-- Anonymous, November 17, 2003

Raves over. Even in my home town we have had trouble. kids pushing people dancing poeple shouting haveing fun. Lasers and lights sounds like all the clubs i play at. the rave is not dead but changing. Not in the clubs bur rught here in the undreground. All us dj's and producers still play small undrground places if we can. But for now the club is where the people are. Mos tof us that grew up in the scene are now over 21.Right so what about the kids you say. Find a venue thta will let you stay open till 4 or 5 that serves food or somthing . That will make it legal to have underage people. If serving food and such is to much. Get a ownwr of a joint involed. Many are willing to work with you if you are honest. They know all about the drugs and shit. Most will at least give you a chance. Big cities have no excuse. You need to quit feeling sorry for yourself and get your shit toghether. All ya ass. I live in a city with 200,000 peeps and still pull 500 to 1000 heasd. Even after a huge bust in my home town. work with people and things can happen. It's not about the goood old days. It's about are you going to bitch or get of your ass and do something. been promoting for years and playing for years. Just keep the faith. go out and find peeps like minded. and just do it. Nolan

-- Anonymous, January 25, 2004

Thanks all...I've been out on the east coast for while and it is good to know Chi is still moving a little... PLUR is not dead because we carry it in us...some o the younger ones just don't know how to express it...give 'em time...as for the rest of ya'all >>> The lights never fade and flicker and the kid at the end of the line always wears beads and baggy pants... find the candy and keep the kids safe!

A devote legend in his own time >>> R3D and they were blessed!!!

-- Anonymous, February 01, 2004

Sadly, the party is over!!!

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2004

There's always a party... in my pants.

-- Anonymous, February 25, 2004

I can say that the techno partys of the night are not what they once wear. Big venues are replaced with tiny basement, hard narcotics replaced with booze. A plight to stomp out raves is a plight to stomp out the people who care for its music. As long as there are even the smallest number of people who car to hear the beats, the beats will be played.

-- Anonymous, February 25, 2004

who cares.

-- Anonymous, February 25, 2004

I used to be in a party crew and we used to throw parties at different locations all over Chitown..What sucks is after we broke up in 01 it seems as if everyone else did too..I hardly hear of raves or any parties going on..Most of the DJs that come here only go to clubs or parties that are advertised in the newspaper..It's not the same anymore is it? Anyone know what's going on underground? I miss raving and I miss raves...

-- Anonymous, February 25, 2004

Things are still stirring, they always will be in some form.

I heard of one in naperville, where I live, that was, as hard as it is to believe, a really kick ass party with an old school vibe to it. Don't ask how I still don't know if I believe it.. especially in naperville. :)

If anyone hears of anything flip me a instant message on aim @ nomopopo69 or an email

plur

-- Anonymous, March 21, 2004

Yes, the raves are long over. It was Mayor Daily's daughter who started the whole thing to end. But they were getting bad anyways. I am from the class of 1995-1999. The last party I attended was New Years Eve 99'. In the beginning everyone was an angel and everyone danced. Towards the end everyone was evil, cars were getting broken into at every party and there were more wall flowers than the clubs had. I am glad I got to be a part of the true underground culture. Now I am venturing the states. California has some good vibes still. XOXOXOXOXO

-- Anonymous, April 30, 2004

Whats with all the negativity. Raves only die when they are forgetten. We should concentrate our efforts to bring the scene back to life. Don't like the music die. Drop me an email if you are in the chicagoland area and would like to contribute to the effort. With enough support anything is possible.

-circut

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2004

sup erik =D

Nice seeing you man

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2004

wow i cant believe i just stumbled on this list and theres actually a recent post. Just a comment that i partied in Chi from (95-99)and loved every moment of it. even being chased around by the police was a pretty good adrenaline rush. of course the scene will never be like i used to, mostly because a majority of the kids were too careless with thier party favors and what not. as far as being 'dead', electronic musik will never die so hold tite and keep it in yer soul like a phoenix rising from the aasch, it is re-born after every death...

-- Anonymous, June 16, 2004

When did the drugs Become more important than the music? Thanks to all the shit heads that ever got caught with drugs at a party selling or buying. You are the people that killed the Chicago Rave scene and subjected us to the likes of Dj press plays everywhere. Thankyou

-- Anonymous, July 01, 2004

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-- Anonymous, August 28, 2004

Man this piece had been goin on for a good minute! Yea, I can't say that I am a true Raver. What i can say is that i enjoy the music and I appreciate what the DJs do. It takes alot of hard work to do what they do, I know I an really good friends with a DJ down in ATL hes one of the best jungle/DnB DJs i know besides AK1200 Dara Diesel Boy.

But really the scene here is f*cked me have no real parties everything is club events which is usually a bunch of euro trash and i'm sick of it persoanlly. What ever happened to realy underground parties? What happened to map points?

God damn why can't things go back to the way it was in the beginning, Frankie Bones started it all with a party in a the basement of this big ass museum in NY.

-- Anonymous, September 07, 2004

I think I'll check out that party on the 18th!

See ya there!

-- Anonymous, September 17, 2004

Hey everyone. I'm originally from Chicago but I didn't get into the rave scene until I got here, to California. The scene is pretty good here in LA and I was doing some research about how the scene was in Chicago so that I could check it out when I got back in about 2 years but the way I'm hearing it, it seems like there is no scene anymore. No crazy shit out in the middle of no where or anything like that. That's pretty sad because the people and the music you experience at raves is incredible. I hope the it gets back on it's feet soon.

-- Anonymous, September 17, 2004

Im a Chicago teen.... And I need to find a place where I can have fun! Im 15 can someone tell me where to go? I know about ClubSoda, but its far. PLEASE EMAIL ME!

Thanks

-- Anonymous, September 20, 2004

Wow, this post has been going on for quite a while!....anyways, I just wanted to add my two cents worth. I am a promoter/dj and I was one of the founders of Source productions. If any of you remember the Wonderland series that ran from 94 thru 2001...big up and much love going out to each and every one of you. The problem with the rave scene isn't just the fault of one person. There are many factors that contributed to the scene coming to a screeching halt. One is the abuse of drugs at the events....whatever people do or don't do is up to them but many times kids would be so messed up that they drew unwanted attention to these events. No matter how hard a rave tries to stay underground, it didn't help when kids were walking around all messed up outside the venue. Another thing was greed. While there were some good promoters out there a lot of one offs started going on because some people didn't care about the scene but were more concerned with getting paid. The real reason for raves was that it offered a place were anyone could go and feel safe and at home....regardless of race, religous beliefs, sexual beliefs and so on. It didn't matter if you were white,black, yellow or brown....everyone was united in the atmosphere and music. The idea of PLUR was very much alive back in the day but toward the end it was more about getting fucked up and trying to hook up....the real essence of it was lost. Venues became very aware of the problems accociated with raves and therefore they started closing their doors to us. It became harder to find a fresh and safe venue to provide a quality event (believe me we tried). We were often forced to return back to the same few venues over and over again...believe me no promoter really likes doing this. Support was another reason for the scene coming to an end. People really just seemed to lose interest in these events over the last few years in chicago.....for whatever reason. Often times people would complain about venues, talent and what they wanted to see. And often times when a promoter actually delivered, people just didn't come out and support. Laws also got in the way but that is a long topic to get started on...too long for now. Anyways, I really just wanted to touch base with whatever "ravers" are still left in Chicago.....Like I said no one person was at fault and no one person could save the scene by themselves. We need to look back at the basics and remember to show each other mutual respect...wheter you are a promoter, dj , raver ,etc. Rememember to to practice Peace, Love, Unity and Respect and take care of each other. Here's hoping I will see you all once again back in chicago soon.....Til then have fun, party safe and continue to support underground music and artists. Take care of yourselves kiddies. Your friend...Crash (Victor) P.S. Maximum respect and love going out to Damian& Submerge 101 (my partners)...Ripe productions, Drop Bass, Vibe Alive, Inkline, Vibonauts, Direct Drive, Boogie Tribe and the rest of the real chicago promoters. Big up to all those who supported us for close to 8 years....you are the reason we did what we did and we are eternally grateful....Hope to be back again.....Thank you

-- Anonymous, September 21, 2004

YOU FUCKING PROMOTERS WITH YOUR EXCUSES... GET OFF THAT SHIT... I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAW IS THERE BUT WE ARE MENT TO BREAK IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RAVEN... FUCK IT, CALL IT AN EVENT... RAVES ARE GONE FINE IT'S THE NEW ERA... DISCO'S LONG GONE, BOOTY HOUSE IS GONE, BUT THE NEW SHIT I'VE BEEN HEARING TRAVELING THE STATES "DAMN" WE HAVE EVOLVED IN THIS NATION (CHICAGO NATION)... CHICAGO IS NO LONGER PROGRESSIVE, IT'S HARD HOUSE. GET INTO IT AGAIN LET THE EVENTS BEGIN... THIS IS DANNY FUCK'N D "WE ARE THE CHII" "XL" "NJOY" "INDUSTRY" "ANOTHERLEVEL" "GLOBALHOUSE" "STARDUST" " MIC CHECK" "MASSIVE" "DJ CAFFEINE" "BAD BOY BILL" "NORTHSTAR" "GREEN VELVET"

-- Anonymous, September 22, 2004

Howdy mid-90's scene veterans. I did something dangerous and fun recently and this seems to be the place to share it.

I felt nostalgic, so I took a trip to the cavalinni complex with a good digital camera. I also brought some paper, ehem. Brought back crazy memories of "cocoon" and that jackin-ass house room upstairs at "prophecy". That place is crazy, and it made me realize how important a good mysterious venue was for that vibe we used to know and love. "i'll never forget those aimless years, street sounds flowing through my myiyiynd!"

We can do these things again, those in charge have to learn how to become registered "non-profits", you gotta have at least one good cop-friend, and keep this little list going, it seems to be one of the last vestiges of those fuzzy futuristic nights, our funky clothes, our cool dance moves, and memories from days gone by.

last year i threw an underground party right in the heart of chicago in the hubbard industrial district . 225 people till 5am and went off like a charm. if you are throwing a party, stay up to date on the technology. get mackies for the sound, built in amps and protection, they sound like studio monitors but thump like a ton of dynamite, your patron deserve no less. and check out the new "martin wizard" lights, they are beautiful and put out huge showers of light. you can rent all the gear you need for under $1000 at midwest stereo. add $1000 for the venue and decorations, then get all your talented friends to contribute one thing. graphic design, flyer, get painters and photographers to display thier work, get your chef friends to make refreshing fruit things etc. don't skimp!

if you play your cards right, your "non-profit" charity should turn a profit "for the cause". the cause being to promote techno culture, art, science and our basic right to use our minds and free time as we please.

The Underground Revolution Has Begun. Quit being lazy and do something about it.

-- Anonymous, October 14, 2004

What is wrong with every one. No I have never been to a rave but from what I do know it's worth keeping alive.

I am 30 (ack how did that happen) but I am like the female vision of petter pan. I am very sorry to say that I did not hear about raves or PLUR of the "vibe" before this year. I know that sounds sad but hay I been living under a rock.

SO ANY HOW I come out from under my rock and hear about all this wonderful music and people who seem to be like minded only to find that I am to late and it's all gone! NOT FAIR!

I live in Chicago and I would like to start going to Raves. But I having never been to one, I HAVE NO IDEA were to look or if there even any left and I don't know any one who dose.

I keep looking all over the net, have joined sights and STILL I FIND NOTHING in Chicago. If I had the green and the know how I would promote one my self!

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP but this is sort of my last very sad effort of trying to find a rave. I think I will CRY for a week if this last effort dose not work. HHEEELLLLPPPPP!

My name is Artemisia Fairchild and I am at

-- Anonymous, November 28, 2004

Sorry but I laugh at you all!!!

You're welcome,

~G

Ps- I don't think you'll find a rave in Chicago if you go looking for "raves".

-- Anonymous, November 30, 2004

WHAT YOU THINK SHIT IS FUNNY... WHO THE FUCK YOU THINK YOUR LAUGHING AT... REMEMBER EVERY GENERATION IS A BUILDING PROCESS... THE SHOOK FOUNDATION NATION IS NOT GONE... I LAUGH AT YOU BACK... DANNY FUCK'N D... """ONE OF CHICAGO'S OWN"""

-- Anonymous, December 01, 2004

"I don't think you'll find a rave in Chicago if you go looking for "raves". "

What dose that mean? I have no first hand knowledge. I found out about raves from a friend who once when to them but has gone prep. The rest I found hear and there on the net. If what you are saying is that you can find them by looking because they are underground ... then how can you ever go to one if you don't know any one who goes to them? Wont you just always be on the out side trying to get in without any idea were to look or any friends who are already in? I understand the need for it to be underground ... but its not cool for me when I want to go to one for the first time but I know no one so I can't ever go.

-- Anonymous, December 03, 2004

wow...people are so stupid! Everyone has to prove they are better then everyone else on here with caps and what not. OMG I WAS IN THE RAVE SCENE BEFORE YOU OMG OMG IM COOLER THE REST OF YOU ARE LAME ASS WANNA BES. Its just like that in music anymore too. OMG I LISTENED TO THAT BAND SO BEFORE IT WAS MAINSTREAM OMG OMG WOW IM LIKE SOO MUCH BETTER THEN YOU. You know peoples attitudes really need to change, No ONE is better then anyone else. Richer or poorer. So what the raves arent what they used to be. So what you were there "first". Life isnt a fucking contest about being better then anyone, or being there "first". People need to take a damn step back and look out from someone else's point of view before judging. This kind of behavior is going to do our race in because everyones "better" then everyone else..And you know whats even more crazy about all of this? You people arent gonna give a shit until the shit really hits the fan and were 10 seconds from being wiped out of existance. So just keep your damn mouths shut if your gonna judge because your not better then me, your not better then the guy next to you, your neighbor, or the obese man on the bus. Give it a god damn rest im sick of everyone. Grow the fuck up. Btw judging people because they have "rich" mommies and daddies is just plain ignorant. Just because someone has money doesnt make them an asshole. Quit generalizing/sterotyping groups. ^^

-- Anonymous, December 16, 2004

wow i am just looking for a place to dance and meet new people i am 18 and a female i want to be safe yet have fun at the same time i live near chicago and i have been to zero gravity which in my opinion if that is dancing and having fun... well thats a turn for the worst but i have looked everywhere and i dont need drugs or alchohol just music and sweaty bodies around me enjoying the scene as much as me anyone have any suggestions?

-- Anonymous, December 17, 2004

i'm in agreement with barbie ..... i'm a youngin' and i hear ya ya'll enjoyed the past aight tight but ... what about now??? anyone??

-- Anonymous, December 30, 2004

I stick glowstick in butt for sexy time so rave not over!

-- Anonymous, February 03, 2005

good news to all you people that are so lost... check out the forums posted on dance websites all over... hmm for example try anotherlevel.com check the forum out they should point you in the right direction age's 18 and up this is your very own army boy writing all the way from North Carolina....

-- Anonymous, February 24, 2005