Zecharia Sitchin

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I'm reading "Genesis Revisted" by Sitchin. Someone in FRL recommended him to me...although they mentioned "The 12th Planet", I think...but the library didn't have that one. In any case, since I'm into the whole ancient Sumerian thing..I am enjoying his book. I also picked up Erich Von Daniken's "The Gods and their Grand Design". Also cool!

I don't have any feelings one way or the other as to whether this stuff is all true...Sometimes the evidence seems overwhelmingly strong that we have been "visited" in ancient times by extraterrestrials, and that we knew things then we still don't know now. It's fun to believe it...but there's this other person in my head who always spoils my fun by arguing that "that's just plain silly". Keeps me planted firmly on the ground.

Anyone else read any of this stuff? your opinions? And who was it who recommended Sitchin to me? And did you see the thread on him in the EZboard TB2k? Well..I like the book,..just can't decide if it's fact or fantasy...can you?

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 20, 2000

Answers

For the opposing view point: Sitchin debunked...

Sitchin, along with Erich von Ddniken and Immanuel Velikovsky, comprise the holy trinity of pseudoscientific mythmakers regarding ancient history. Each begins with the assumption that ancient myths are not myths but historical and scientific texts. Sitchin's claim to fame is announcing that he alone correctly reads ancient Sumerian clay tablets. All other scholars have misread these tablets which, according to Sitchin, reveal that gods from another planet (Niburu, which orbits our Sun every 3,600 years) arrived on Earth some 450,000 years ago and created humans by some genetic engineering with female apes. No other scientist has discovered that these descendents of gods blew themselves up with nuclear weapons some 4,000 years ago. Sitchin stands alone, on nobody's shoulders, as a scholar nonpareil. He alone can look at a Sumerian tablet and see that it depicts a man being subjected to radiation. He alone knows how to correctly translate ancient terms allowing him to discover such things as that the ancients made rockets.

Sitchin, like Velikovsky, presents himself as erudite and scholarly. Both are very knowledgeable of ancient myths and both are nearly scientifically illiterate. Like von Ddniken and Velikovsky, Sitchin weaves a compelling and entertaining story out of facts, misrepresentations, fictions, speculations, misquotes and mistranslations. Each begins with their beliefs about ancient visitors from other worlds and then proceeds to fit facts and fictions to their basic hypotheses. Each is a master at ignoring inconvenient facts, making mysteries where there were none before and offering their alien hypotheses to solve the mysteries. Their works read like bad-science fiction rather than good science. Nonetheless, they are very attractive to those who love a good mystery and are ignorant of or indifferent to the nature and limitations of scientific research.

Sitchin's ideas have been appropriated by Rakl, another wise man, who has started his own religion (Rakilian Religion) around the idea that we humans are the result of a DNA experiment by ancient visitors from outer space. Rakl has even written a channeled book, dictated to him by extraterrestrials. It is called The Final Message. We can only hope it is.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 21, 2000.


Correction: Velikovsky did NOT propose that beings from space came to earth. His theories started with the assumption that human history is more truth than allegory. He proposed the theory that comet(s) affected the orbits of the planets within the memory of mankind. While some of his theories have been debunked outright, he was one of the first to recognize that space may hold great dangers to life on Earth.

-- helen (handbasket_helena@hotmail.com), March 22, 2000.

After finishing the books, I have to say,..while they are a lot of fun and contain interesting information about the ancient sumarians and their beliefs...I just can't buy the whole 12th planet thing. Of course, if a 12th planet happens by later on in my lifetime, I'll be more than willing to change my mind, and then at least I'll know whats going on, but until then...NAH!. However, I do believe we have had alien visitors in the ancient past,..but it's hard to believe..heh. I'll just shut up now.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 27, 2000.

Some of Sitchin's assumptions I don't agree with, but he does uncover quite enough to show us that the information being fed to us by the current propagandists is wrong. There's alot of information that Sitchin has written about that goes uncovered by conventional sources, but I don't see where the definitive proof is that there are any inhabitants of Nibiru, let alone that it is not just an asteroid. I read all the ebooks, and I will buy the next.

-- Robert Graf (rgraf@cyber-age.net), January 19, 2001.

I've read quite a bit of Velikovsky. While not everything he proposed can be backed up with fact, he did point out that humans in previous eras were as capable as we are in recording their histories. His work was based on the assumption that "the earth shook" in an ancient writing was not allegory but was a literal statement of earthquake.

As far as "visitations" from other planets and the associated "evidence" -- this is just my lazy opinion, but I think humans ARE their own "aliens". Humans have been around a long, long time. Perhaps previous civilizations attained higher levels of technology than we know of at present. Or not. :)

-- helen (b@a.aaaa), January 19, 2001.



well all I have to say to the non believers is ,please visit www.zetatalk.com it has alot of interesting facts about the whole thing.till niburu passes the time that is left is 2 years and 3 months.

-- Anna (annaz_16@hotmail.com), February 03, 2001.

Having just started on this quest for information, I will throw in my two cents...

I haven't visited the sites yet, but I will, but how can one explain the amazing sites through out the world, in Peru, Bolivia, Mexico, off shore in the Bahamas, Egypt, etc. where the construction is of massive rock, many transported miles and miles, seemed together with such precision....

How can one explain that the later construction in the same areas become inferior, not superiour?

How can one explain the alignements of these ancient structures?

I think in many cases Sitchin has taken the view to look at history as a whole, not the micro analysis that many scholars have taken. How is it that when many of the great tombs were opened, they were empty, nothing in them? Yet they are still called tombs by the local authorites.

If we have learned nothing else from history, we should have learned that history repeats itself.

The planet has pock marks all over it where world wide calamity has struck. How many anthropologists would care to sumize why? I take my hat off to Hancock, Sitchin, Zapp, etc. who dare to look and summize where no others would, risking their professional reputations quite often as a result.

One of the things which turned my head was the astronomical works in ancient times, that up until the last 100 years could not be replicated.

In addition, if one looks at the current thought on history, the powers that be don't believe that it was possible for the ancients to have travelled by sea, which is obviously not true, when one examines the commonality of the artifacts found in Latin America and Sumer for example.

I am an educated person and I feel that these authors have more going for them than most folks will give them credit for.

As for the upcoming Planet X (Niburu), there sure is a lot of writing on the wall (pun intended) regarding this upcoming even.

Good Luck to us all!

-- Mike (mikekraidy@yahoo.com), December 31, 2001.


I have been reading too much of all this craziness the last few days, including that Zetatalk website mentioned by someone or other on this list. My feelings and understandings about this issue, is that as humans flying around space on this big ball, we are always wondering what the hell is out there... and we see all these stars and various other things, the moon, comets, meteors, what have you... and we try and give it context... we try to explain it. And today, where we are bombarded with information, far too much of it, and most of it useless, we try and put ALL of this information into context... which is a crazy thing to try and do. Never before has so much information been available to us, especially with the internet, and there's just so much of it, piling on top of itself, and to try and put it all into context is just madness. Anyhow, i think we might have been visited or continue to be visited today by aliens or at least by something we don't have regular interaction with, there's lots of threads leading to that idea... and sure, this planet x idea has been out there for a while... but also, when people like the Zeta talk people start talking about the Yeti and Loch Ness Monster connection to the pyramids and all this, you know, it's just too much. Too much craziness. Sure, everything is connected, but not in such linear and non-subtle ways. This is the same way Christianity created all of this bullshit baggage around the simple idea that some long-haired crazy Jewish carpenter got really heavy and told everyone to love each other and stop being such shallow, destructive people. How that led to the Pope is way beyond me... it's just cultishness. People following things, becomming mono-maniacal and directing all of their thoughts towards the connection of a few ideas. I see this sort of religious fervor developing amongst the ancient astronaut people, the David Icke people and all of these New Age folks, and i don't trust it. I don't like believers... and i don't like skeptics either. There needs to be some kind of middle ground. People need to stop gazing so intently at their navels and look at the world with a bigger view. So many of the arguments of these ancient astronaut people are based on very linear ideas, and the fact is, reality is non-linear. Also, for everyone who thinks that humans are so distant genetically from other 'lower' simians, just spend some time with monkeys and you'll find most people act just like 'em.

-- Sean Aaberg (seangoblin@hotmail.com), May 02, 2002.

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