"Emotion is energy in motion. When you move energy, you create effect. If you move enough energy, you create matter. Matter is energy conglomerated. Moved around. SHoved together. If you manipulate energy long enough in a certain way, you get matter. Every master understands this law. It is the alchemy of the universe. It is the secret of all life.

Thought is pure energy. Every thought you have, have ever had, and ever will have is creative. The energy of your thought never ever dies. Ever. It leaves your being and heads out into the universe, extending forever. A thought is forever.

All thought congeal; all thoughts meet other thoughts, criss-crossing in an incredible maze of energy, forming an ever-changing pattern of unspeakable beauty and unbelievable complexity.

Like energy attracts like energy-forming(to use simple words) 'clumps' of energy of like kind. When enough similar clumps criss-cross each other-run into each other-they 'stick to' each other(to use another simle term). It takes an incomprehensibly huge amount of energy 'sticking together', thusly, to form matter. But matter WILL form out of pure energy. In fact, it is the only way it CAN form. Once energy becomes matter, it remains matter for a very long time-unless its construction is DISRUPTED by an opposing, or dissimalr, form of energy. This dissimilar energy, acting upon matter, actually dismembers the matter, releasing the raw energy of which it was composed.

This is, in elementary terms, the theory behind your atomic bomb. Einstein came closer than any other human-before or since-to discovering, explaining, and functionalizing the creative secret of the universe.

You should now better understand how people of LIKE MIND can work together to create a favored reality. The phrase 'wherever two or more are gathered in My name' becomes much more meaningful.

Of course, when entire societies think a certain way, very astonishing things happen-not all of them necessarily desireable. For instance, a society living in fear, very often, actually, INEVITABLY, produces in form that which they fear most.

Similarly, large communities or congregations often find miracle producing powered in combined thinking(or what some people call common prayer).

And it must be made clear that individuals-if their thought(prayer, hope, wish, dream, fear) is amazingly strong-can, in and of themselves, produce such results. Jesus did this regularly. He understood how to manipulate energy and matter, how to rearrange it, how to redistribute it, how to utterly control it. Many masters have known this. Many know it now.

You can know it. RIght now.

This is the knowledge of good and evil of which Adam and Eve partook. Until they understood this, there could be no life as you know it. Adam and Eve, the mythical names you have given to represent First man and First Women-were the father and mother of human experience.

What has been described as the fall of adam was actually his upliftment-the greatest single event in the history of humankind. For without it, the world of relativity would not exist. The act of Adam and Eve was not original sin, but, in truth, first blessing. You should thank them from the bottom of your hearts-for in being the first to make a 'wrong' choice, Adam and Eve produced the possibility of making ANY CHOICE AT ALL.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 21, 2000

Answers

What happens if this guy comes out a couple of years from now and says he made all of this crap up just to sell books?

-- J (Y2J@home.comm), May 21, 2000.

I resisted typing a response upon first reading this quotation. Why? Because I went to Walschs web site, or rather his foundation's web site, to nose around a bit. I dont like what I found there. Thanks for the link Anita.

That said, I turn back to this quote. The writing isnt very good. I have a basic understanding of what hes trying to communicate with regards to energy & it was a chore to follow him. I feel for anyone being introduce to these concepts for the first time. God could have done a better job of dictation on this subject!

As to the Adam & Eve reference  someone please translate for me! Is 'God' saying the first people were unaware of their separateness from God? Or were they not actually separate at all? If it is the latter, why would splitting from God consciousness be a blessing?

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), May 21, 2000.

Awesome, simply mind-boggling when you think about it. What an illusion this physical world really is. Thanks for the quotes FS, I'm really enjoying refreshing my mind with awareness of these truths.

"What happens if this guy comes out a couple of years from now and says he made all of this crap up just to sell books?"

This sounds like the same troll that says that EZ board has a "higher class" of crap than we have here. Lol! It ain't "crap" if it helps you live life in a better way, but I suppose a better way of life for you is finding ways to hide more guns so that you can kill all of the politicians you don't agree with. Gee, that's progressive!

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

you wanna know GOD, read his word [the bible]. 2nd hand food,is stale. the word[jesus] became flesh. chew on that.or this>''heaven & earth will pass away,but MY WORD,will remain forever.[GOD SPEAKING.]QUESTION=are you seeking the 1 & only TRUE GOD??.only to be seen,in JESUS-THE-CHRIST. there is only 1 path.all others lead to destruction.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

Bingo:

You ask a good question, and I am not sure my selecting certain qoutes can answer it-the book does answer the question-souls cannot experience who and what they are by dwelling in the original perfection-in order to experience the full glory of that perfection it became necessary to incarnate as an imperfect being-and then through a series on incarnations, reach that state of perfection while in the body-thus forming a perfedt unity of flesh and spirit.

Again, this is what all masters have done-the evolution of their souls reached that point where they where able to experience fully both levels of perfection. In the book it talks about how God created us so she could experience herself more fully.

As far as the language, how do you think God communicates? Do you not think God could speak pig latin, creole, or pop physics language? In another section of the book, God talks about not pigeon-holing her into having to look one way or talk one way, because if God appeared in a formal way, there would always be someone to say she is not the true God.

God can speak through a tv commercial, or a blaxploitation film-it does not matter. Any attempt to say how God should talk to us is limiting the omniscient.

The whole point of the treatise on matter is that it is part of the ideology that we create our own reality-anytime we say "I AM" we are in the process of creating. Anytime we say "I want" that is what happens to us-we stay in a state of want-so do not say "I want money" because you will always want. Every choice we make is an act of creation-as a collective consciousness we can create heaven on earth or destroy the planet-the choice is ours.

-- FutreShock (gray@matter.think), May 21, 2000.

What can I say FS, Im spoiled in that Yogananda wrote so clearly & beautifully. This passage is written as if God fumbled & stumbled through the subject. Certainly appears as if Walsch sent it to the publisher as dictated. No smoothing, no cleaning up. Interesting.

The fact that I was greatly put off by some things I found on his foundations web site colored my initial reaction, no doubt.

As to the rest of your last post  agree whole-heartedly. Isnt life fun when you know the rules!

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), May 21, 2000.

Ok, I took a look at Walsch. Unitarian Universalist, many of his themes reported in other New Age books and Walsch concedes this (but says God gave them same messages). Now opening "Conversations with God" (COG) centers for a nominal fee on his website. But hey, this guy only request 5% tithes!

Next tinfoil hat wearer please. This fruitcake took far too much of my time than he was worth :)

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 21, 2000.

THANKS factfinder, I KNEW I SMELLED A RAT. A MIX OF CHRISTIANITY & NEW-AGISM.age-ism?? no wonder the LORD said,don,t mix evil/with good. ''in the last-day,s MANY false christ,s shall arise'' question>if man-can reach a state of godliness[on his own] why did the TRUE GOD OF HEAVEN--SEND HIS SON AS A SACRIFICE???????? HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OUT THERE.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

God did not send Jesus here to be sacrificed you fool, he sent him here to show us that we are Gods, and we possess the same divine spiritual power as God Himself. The people at that time were too paranoid and full of fear to understand, so they killed him. 2000 years later, and some people still haven't changed.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), May 21, 2000.

Factfinder:

You should use a little more of the power behind your name before stating that any businessman is corrupt. Do you REALLY think ,omey and spirituality do not mix? Fatal mistake, my friend. You post about tithing, but do not include anything about how the man spends his income. Do you have ANY idea at all how he spends that money? Did you bother to research his tax filings, or look at his corporate infromation?

So many people have equated money with badness in the spiritual realm- Money is not evil-the Love of money becomes the problem. Simply by stating that Walsch is requesting donations does not smear who and what he is. Before jumping the conclusion this man is in it for the money, do a little more research in the spirit of fair journalism.

And you, Al-D, should talk:

How many fundamentalist preachers are in jail now for bilking people of their life savings? Jim Bakker ring a bell? Must I go on? Corruption has nothing to do with one's religion. This attempt to diminish what Walsch has to say by saying he is only in it for the money is a cheap attempt at a counter-argument.

Were we to follow this through, anyone who writes a book on spirituality that becomes a best seller should not keep the money. I totally disagree with this. We are all entitled to make a good living. If people want to buy our book, we should we not reap the benefits?

When we all learn that money and spirituality DO mix, we will all have more money. We need to get rid of that conscious or unconscious mantra that runs in our heads that says "money is bad". And factfinder, thanks for being part of these threads. I suspect I will not be seeing you again, since this was a waste of time for you. God bless, and may you truly find out Who you are and become Who You really Want to Be.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 22, 2000.

I guess a troll is one who disagrees with you.

Yes, "crap" can indeed help you live life in a better way. Potato chips and cheap beer come to mind. But it is still "crap."

I looked a Walsch's site. It's "crap." I'd rather have _good_ "crap" like chips and cheap beer.

I quit looking when he asked for donations - "$10, $20, $50."

-- (retired@nd.happy), May 22, 2000.

Retired:

I bless you in your choice that the web site is crap. I am not running these threads to support Mr. Walsch-or to sell his books or even to sell his dogma. I am not interested in these things at all. I do not NOT read somebody's ideas if I do not like them personally, or even if I think they are a hypocrite.

We could find something wrong with EVERY artist if we looked into their life-Has anybody stopped seeing woody allen movies or Roman Polanski movies because they dated teenagers? Has anybody completely cut themselves off from jerry lee lewis music for the same reason? Has anybody stopped themselves from watching any movies with Charlton Heston because of his gun control beliefs? Has anybody stopped listening to Wagner specifically because he was a nazi sympathizer?

Do we get the drift here? All are blessed to choose their path-I for one choose to keep my path open regardless of the author's personal behavior. I too have had issues with Walsch, especially when he released a meditation book of daily readings-I thought there was a juggernaut going on-but this in now way negates the material that has been written.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 22, 2000.

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.--JESUS IS ALL TRUTH. beware of FALSE MESSIAH,S.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 22, 2000.

Bingo, as I said on another thread about these Conversations, when an author has the crass nerve to charge his readers for an autograph, you know damn well why he's writing books about love; he loves money that's why. After all, Walsch needs the public to buy his books, a lot more than the public needs to shell out money for his autograph.

And as far as matter and energy are concerned, the first and second laws of Thernmodynamics explains both very adequately.

But ethical authors are happy to autograph books for the people who shell out the money for their books. Sure an author hopes to make money selling his books and that's as it should be. But to chage his customers for signing his name, after they've shelled out money for his book is cheap and petty and smells of a money-hungry jerk.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), May 22, 2000.

Gilda:

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps the guy is a snake. But you have not addressed the issue of wether or not that diminishes his creation.

Look hard enough, and you might find a reason to never by another thing in any store, anywhere. Grapes? Pciked by migrant workers barely making minimum wage with no benefits. Wood at home depot? What forest did it come from? That burger at the local restaurant? Are you sure that cow did not graze on what was once rainforest?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 22, 2000.

There's no need to look any further than to realize that this book is not the truth. How can someone's "choice" produce the possibility to have any choice at all? That is logically inconsistent from someone who wants to make sin look like a good thing. I wonder who that could be. Have you ever wondered who is really behind the New Age movement? "There is nothing so false as what is almost true."--G.K. Chesterton

-- Beerman (frbeerman@juno.org), May 23, 2000.

Beerman:

New Age? Pray tell what are you talking about? Since the first person incarnated he/she had the power to be God-to create as God. Please take your satan and peddle it someplace else. This is not a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. It is only the christians here who attack other people's beliefs implicitly.

Are you keeping score? How many sins have I comitted today, since you seem to know the only truth?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 23, 2000.

If you don't think that your submissions are "right" why bother posting them at all?

-- Beerman (frbeerman@juno.org), May 23, 2000.

Beerman:

You have my permission to ignore future threads on this topic. They are being posted to stimulate discussion among those who would comment. Hey, as I have said before, at the end of this I may think it is all bunk myself-this does not mean it is not worthy of discussion.

I was curious why so many people bought these books-they have all been on the NY Times bestseller list. Book one was there a LONG time- I am interested in cultural phenomena, and by doing this series I wanted to get a pulse on what the denizens of this board were thinking about it.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 23, 2000.

Future:

I'm feeling REALLY guilty about posting that link to this author's site. I understand EXACTLY what you're feeling right now. You've read an author's works and want like crazy to discuss those works, and you're met with a brick wall. There was a book in the Dune Series that I particularly liked. I wanted SO MUCH to discuss the philosophies within with SO. Although he enjoyed the Dune Series even more than I, his comment on THAT particular book was simply, "That was the ONLY one I just couldn't get into." Can I use a SIGH here, or has that been copyrighted?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 23, 2000.

Anita,

By (now don't laugh at me here...) "the Dune Series" did you mean the F. Herbert Dune series? Just wondering. BTW, I liked them, though it's probably been 10 years since I read them, and tried to read his other works, all of which, I think, were bad. Or did I miss the boat c the author and you really meant something totally different?

Herbert is a bizarre example of how an author can climb to the top of a mountain, only to fall right off the other side.

Book critic,

Frank

P.S. Hated the movie. (movie critic too!)

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 23, 2000.

Frank:

Yes...I meant Herbert's "DUNE" series. I LOVED the read, although I thought the movie stunk. One must be a Sci-Fi fan to appreciate it, and SO is Sci-Fi all the way........HE liked the movie.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 23, 2000.

Dune is a difficult book to make into a movie, especially at the time they made it. Imagine how much better they could make it now with the newest computer-generated special effects.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 23, 2000.

FS, to me it diminishes his creation when he squeezes everyone for the last nickel he can get out of this book. There are too many ethical authors that wouldn't think of charging for an autograph. If you're writing this type of book, the least you can do is live like a decent person. He isn't.

And concerning those other issue you mentioned, first, it's not the same thing at all. But I buy everything I can from local people because I hate sprays and the agri-business. I never eat meat because of lots of reasons.

First, I don't think animals were put on earth to provide us with cheap meat. Cattle raising is heavily subsidized in favor of rich ranchers, on BLM land. Also, it's is depleting many acquifers (sp).

Home Depot has reversed their policy and no long sells wood that isn't certified, but I don't buy anything from them anyway.

But I have plenty to answer for. Even though I recycle, I still end up with lots of trash going into the landfills which disturbs me.

And although I think John Irving is a fine writer, I would not buy one of his books because he charges for autographs. So IMO Walsch loses his credibility when he talks one way and acts another.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), May 23, 2000.

Woah there FS, I never said the man was corrupt, and really don't even have that opinion of Walsch. He does encourage contributions and don't know where he spends the money, but my assumption is that it is for his centers. And when I used the term "tithe", it was in humor, as a comparison to church contributions.

The man says he had conversations with God, but uses a lot of material from other New Agers, so maybe they all talked to him. I DO think he's a fruitcake, but that's just my opinion, and I offer it here :)

Your point about Christian (religion) pastors sometimes exploiting people for money, etc, is well made. It happens, with all religions, with all causes. This kind of thing is based on the individual, not the religion IMHO- those who would defraud others would use whatever they wished to use to defraud.

Again, I don't see Walsch as corrupt, just a nut :)

But for those who wish to review for themselves and form their own opinions, here are a few links. All of the links below are interviews or those favorable to Walsch, by the way. Other sites I found were quite condemning of Walsch, but I shall skip those, the "favorable" links below were quite enough for me to form my opinion:

Q. In reading the first "Conversations with God," I recognized much from James Redfield, Marianne Williamson, Wayne Dyer and other authors. I could imagine some people saying you simply adapted their materials, then added your own.

A. They're right. Marianne and James Redfield got it from God, too. It's not unusual that we say the same thing. And I wouldn't be surprised if some priest said, "Hell, that's what I told him in a sermon as a boy." God made it clear that he has been teaching me all along.

However, there is substantial portion that I haven't seen in Marianne or Redfield or Dyer. Neal e Donald Walsch's `Conversations with God' books continue to create a stir (interview)

Interview by Jennifer Baltz

www.conversationswithgod.o org (Walsch's website)

In any case FS, I believe that leaving this subject to those who have a stronger interest than I (and give it some credibility) would be the fair and smart thing for me to do at this point.

-- FactFinder (FactFinder@bzn.com), May 23, 2000.