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could everyone take a look at this web page http://members.tripod.com/~sueE/HB1029.html go down to message board and click on to 300 horses going to slaughter . i have asked if anyone knows a hauler or wants to split the cost, i'll ask here too.

-- renee oneill (oneillsr@home.com), July 31, 2000

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I have serious problems with this website. First off there is no phone number to call anyone at. I would certainly do my research about this organization before sending them any money.

This all could very well be true unfortunately, but be cautious.

-- beckie (sunshine_horses@yahoo.com), July 31, 2000.


i did not mean to send money , i was talking about the 300 horses going to slaughter, if you e mail them they will call you back or e mail you. sorry for the wrong impression,

-- renee oneill (oneillsr@home.com), July 31, 2000.

I'm curious as to what you are going to do with all those horses; will it turn into someone else having to rescue them? You can go up and down the road in every county in this country; you can go to every auction; you can look at what happens to some of those wild horses who are adopted. There are tons of horses, just like a lot of other critters, who need to be rescued. You can't save them all. I just wish people would look at the costs of their involvement ~ feed, vet, farrier ~ make sure they have enough land and the proper facilities, know how they are going to train them, before they use their heart instead of their head. My 2"!

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), August 02, 2000.

I'm curious as to what you are going to do with all those horses; will it turn into someone else having to rescue them? Do you plan to make a few bucks at the killers? You can go up and down the road in every county in this country; you can go to every auction; you can look at what happens to some of those wild horses who are adopted. There are tons of horses, just like a lot of other critters, who need to be rescued. You can't save them all. I just wish people would look at the costs of their involvement ~ feed, vet, farrier ~ make sure they have enough land and the proper facilities, know how they are going to train them, before they use their heart instead of their head. My 2"!

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), August 02, 2000.

I'm sure Renee does not need me to come to her defense, but I could not let that remark about making a few bucks at the killers just slide by.... what a mean thing to say. Renee, it is very upsetting that this kind of stuff happens. If I live to be one hundred, I'll never understand how so many people can be so comfortable with the horrible way animals are treated in this country.

-- Cathy Horn (hrnofplnty@webtv.net), August 02, 2000.


how dare you !! make money off of killers!!! the one group of people who in my opion have no soul what so ever and as far as i am concerned can go to h----! you put my in that catergory! do you really think i would take on 300 horses? i may be nutty i am not crazy. i feel as a human i have the responsibility to watch over those who can not, every day the animal lives i lose money, that is ok because the joy that animal will bring me has no price tag, i can only pray for the killed animals and those who stood by and did nothing to help. god bless you.

-- renee oneill (oneillsr@home.com), August 02, 2000.

I came back to add a P.S., and I see that Renee said exactly what I wanted to add. Many of us feel that our Creator has given us the responsibility to look after the animals, not use and abuse them. I believe the time will come when a lot of folks are going to wish they had done things differently. My 2 cents.

-- Cathy Horn (hrnofplnty@webtv.net), August 02, 2000.

I did not mean to offend good folks with my comment about the killers. I've been in rescue a long time, and it unfortunately is not unusual, for a large amount of horses being 'rescued,' to be taken to the killers. Yes, it's done with smaller amounts, but a red flag went up when I saw the number. The BLM stopped allowing adoptions in large amounts when they found out this was happening with the wild horses/burros. I hope you understand now.

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), August 02, 2000.

This is weird.. I agree with ALL of you! As the recipient of many a free animal, including registered horses (not to mention numerous cats), I know personally that there are just not enough homes for them all. In some cases, the slaughter house is really NOT the worse case scenario. In light of the fact that we live in the modern world and humanity has seen fit to run over or control every bit of wild land there is out there, there just isn't enough wide open space for large animals to roam any more. In our infinite wisdom through manifest destiny... we are now totally responsible for relocating animals that go beyond their "boundaries". Horses, elk, buffalo.... all are big animals that need lots of room and lots of food to sustain them. In the old days they had free range of thousands of square miles, now they are a nuisance to subdivisions and rural areas alike... examples: moose in downtown Anchorage, bears and cougars in Albuquqerque, or the Yellowstone buffalo encroaching on ranches.

I agree with Rogo's comment about the wild horse adoption. What he didn't go into was, people think they're getting a cheap horse or burro.. maybe they think they're getting a part of history. What they don't realize is, these animals have no idea what a fence is! While there are stricter requirements one has to agree to for adoptions now, before that, ANYONE could go to these events and adopt a horse, including people who've never owned a horse. Once they get them home and put them in a small enclosure with barbed wire, the very first thing that horse would do would go right thru the fence. IF they could catch him before he got onto the highway and got hit, there were mounds of vet bills to pay... tranquilizers to suture the animal up the first time and everytime after that to treat him. The bills pile up, the folks can't afford it, the animal goes to the sale. In that case, it IS the best case for him.

Taking an animal to the sale, for me, would be the very last case scenario... actually, I'd rather put him down at my place and bury him. I once worked for a man who took horses to the sale when they didn't have good show careers because he didn't want to feed them, and one horse in particular that I found out about later, who had been a favorite of mine. He was perfectly healthy and well-trained in every other way. I was horrified to find this out because that horse had a GOOD potential to be someone's pleasure animal; he was certainly not a candidate for dogfood. I don't think I've ever forgiven that man for that. But, I'm talking about sick & injured animals, and there are ranchers/farmers out there who don't have the luxury of a backhoe or vet bills. Here we are on the C'side Forum and most people talk about frugality and living simply... do you know how much is costs to have the backhoe guy out? Or the vet? (or the vet, THEN the backhoe guy! $$$ + $$$) I don't believe we're talking about making money off the killers here; I think it's just hard common sense stuff... what do you do with 300 horses? I'm certainly not promoting that they go to the sale if there are homes out there... good homes with knowlegeable owners, I hope they can find them. I've had horses for 30 years, so I think I can speak a little on the subject.

I've recently had good luck with finding good homes for my two horses; one I sold and one was given to a family because she was given to me. I just couldn't afford to feed them on my salary, and since I didn't have time to ride, either, they had to go to a better home. Believe it or not, I also just found a home for 4 mongrel sheep! They're going to a christian boy's ranch run by vegetarians (they won't be eaten!). It takes a while, but it can be done.

I wish we could save them all. It breaks my heart as an animal lover to even look at some of these websites pertaining to homeless animals. I don't know if there is a win/win solution to this for all of them. My heart goes out to people who can give homes to old horses for their final days. Rene, I hope you keep us updated on this. dh in nm

-- debra in nm (dhaden@nmtr.unm.edu), September 29, 2000.


Hmmm. Don't know where to start on this one. Hubby and I adopted two mustangs from the BLM, who now live a very pampered life alongside our other 4 horses. No one would be allowed to adopt 300 horses if these are from the BLM. They now have very strict regulations to limit the number of horses, the types of enclosures, their height, they have to have stalls, you can't pick them up in anything less than an open stock-type trailer so they don't feel confined, etc. PLUS, there are checks of your property, and later on, a check to see how the horse is doing, and if you still have it. You are not given "title" to the horse until one year after you adopt it. Renee, it is very heartbreaking to think of all those animals possibly going to slaughter, and I wish they could all be adopted by responsible folks. The tradgedy is, there are millions like them, and the truth is they won't all be adopted. Keep working on folks, and maybe we can all work towards being responsible "owners" of those precious lives, and prevent more from being born only to be sent to a fate like that. God Bless, Jan

-- Jan in Colorado (Janice12@aol.com), September 29, 2000.


I have a friend who need to sell two of her horses,one is a white arabian the other a bay quarter horse.

-- Bettie Ferguson (jobett@dixie-net.com), February 01, 2001.

Hi, i would love to help in any way that i can.Aslo me and my family would love to adopt a few horses to give them a very warm loving,caring home and everything they diserve-lots of attention!If it is possible for this please give me a call at 320-684-2041. thanks.........Russ and family

-- Russ Mostoller (thumper88us2000@yahoo.com), March 28, 2002.

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