Other fans, notably the Mancs, love the 1991 attendance story. IN 1991 there was a series of embargoed games with pickets etc to protest against selling off the family silver and against a board that even Alex Ferguson said made u sthe worst treated fans in the game. We did, however, have the highest away attendances that season. Just ask a Manc whether they were one of the 16000. I can promise you they all were.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

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What a complete TURNTABLE U are Douggie.....WE USE THE "ask any Geordie if they were part of the 10,000 and they'll say they were" thing....now you're using it about some 16,000 bollox???

BTW..PROVE yer away support claim...you can't..you've just started an urban myth that will be believed on here.

and another thing..WHAT 16,000???????

:-)

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

LR, I've been going on about this for years on here. Which shows how much you listen to me. I have the facts and will mail them to you. 16000 in 1989.. I dunno ho wlong that went on as your average as I'm not as obsessed with others' stats as the Mancs appear to be. As mentoned elsewhere, I've met one Manc who admits he wasn't there.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Douggie...tell me the game and the date and the competition...BTW..I have NEVER been at OT with a crowd under 30,000...so there....that's two of us.

But while yer mentioning 16,000's in 1989 (allegedly)why don't you mention the mid 80's figures of 58,000+ on more than 3 occasions. Kindal levels things out a bit.

BTW..I do listen to you...honest I do :-)

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Presumably you're referring to the Wimbledon game of that year. Which drew a sobering crowd of 23,368. Some say that that figure included a couple of thousand season ticket holders and lmtbs who hadn't turned up, but that theory doesn't hold water as in the late eighties you'd have struggled to find people with books, cos you didn't need them (it was all in the tokens). Still, you can clutch at the lowest attended game (my messed up memory recalls terrible weather in combination with the least attractive opponents) from one of only two seasons in the eighties, and five in the last thirty years where United (cos there's only one) have held both the highest crowd and highest average attendance. It's really of no consequence to us. City are a massive club.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Doh, that of course should have read five of the last thirty where we haven't held the records, the other twenty five belonging to the reds by some distance.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Which reds which United yawn yawn blah blah blah bollocks

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Seconded .

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

The famous man utd went to Rome to see the pope, The famous man utd went to Rome to see the pope, The famous man utd went to Rome to see the pope,

And this is what he said.......

Who the fuck are man utd? who the fuck are man utd? Who the fuck are man utd? And the MAGS go marching ON ON ON!!

Ahh that feels better.....

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Ohh I missed the FUCK OFF bit out :))

That's what I get for working hard eh....

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Jools. No offence, Hon, but LR's enough red for one Toon board.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

none taken, just adding a few facts and figures to the ones floating about, as our mutual friend was baffled by the reference. 16,000 indeed.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

I'm sure you said 16000. Hmm, must have been somewhere else I read it.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Douggie...let me check my token sheets for that year..I MAY have possibly ben there after all....but it wasn't bloody 16,000 :-)

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Is it the `Glorious 12th`?! (:o)

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Don't know about the 16,000 referred to above but in September 86 I was in a crowd of 18,000 at Old Trafford to watch a League Cup tie against Port Vale (who had taken a fair number of fans to the match, it being their first ever visit to the Theatre of Screams). And before LR says "Ah yes but that wasn't a league game" I would hazzard to suggest that neither were any of the 58,000 gates to which he refers.

What is very noticeable about those days is the marked difference between average gates and biggest gates at each club. There were far more "floating" supporters then - different situation re season tickets I suppose. I reckon that more people actually watched the teams then - nowadays the crowds must be 95% the same every week which is very very sad.

It's a bit pointless having this argument though - you can always pick times when gates were tripe at either club. Newcastle did hold the highest ever average gate for a long time until Man Poo beat it - the difference being of course that Toon were in the Second Division when they recorded it - weren't Man Poo winning the European Cup or something during their "big season". Will the record be broken this year with the increase in the size of OT or will the imminent decline of the "Mighty Reds" see otherwise!!!!

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

God bless you Jacko for putting those nasty miscreants from Manchester in their respective armchairs. Baffle 'em with facts not fiction. I visited the strawberry site and they seem to be having a rather heated debate with a bunch of makems, who lets these subspecies on anyway?

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Rothmans review of 88-89

Man U capacity 56385, 30699 standing, 25686 seated. Average for the league games that season 36488. This was only second to Liverpool who averaged 38574 that year.

Te season peterd out with the last 4 home attendances being 29799, 23368, 26722 and 30379 (against us).

The single League Cup home crowd was 20597.

More than enough detail I think.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

Syme, Don't worry: I think Jools just came on because I quoted him and he probably won't be back. He's very sound actually. Went into the Strawberry last season after we'd beaten them and had some good banter with the BBSers. Doogs.

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000

The source of 16000 has all come back to me. It was speculation in a Red Voices type thing about how accurate the figures were as there was an element of including ST holders in the figure for attendances whether they;d turned up or not....

-- Anonymous, August 09, 2000