My family is enjoying our whole wheat baking so much, I could bake everyday. So- I'd love to get a Bosch Kitchen Mixer that can handle a lot of dough at once.I've got a Kitchen Aid and a lot of attachments so I don't want to do away with it. But I can only do 2 loaves at a time. The Bosch machines are so expensive. Does anyone know of someplace to get used machines or factory reconditioned, or something? Yes, I know, don't jump on my case, I could do it all by hand, but my plate is full of other homestead activities, anything that can save me time is worth a look. TIA, Cathey

-- Cathey (uptain@familyconnect.com), August 16, 2000

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I never heard of the name , but did you do a web search .Contact the company and see if the have a seconds or dent and scratch type store .Run a wanted ad , and keep asking everyone .Good luck , ps I love my kitchen aide.

-- Patty Gamble (fodfarms@slic.com), August 16, 2000.

You can't beat a Kitchen Aid... Make your 2 loaves,place the dough in another bowl and set in a cool place while you make 2 more, knead both batches together just enough to make one big batch and continue the riseing etc. I do it all the time..Doris in Idaho

-- Doris Richards (dorisquilts@webtv.net), August 16, 2000.

I too, love my KitchenAide mixer. I made my purchase specifically for making and kneading bread, and bought the larger more powerful model. The bowl on it is one quart larger than most, and I can make three loaves at a time. Besides the mixer I gave myself for Christmas, I also gave my daughter an identical model, but of a different color. We enjoy getting together during Christmas vacations and at other times, and making things together.

I've heard of the Bosch Mixer, but have not seen one. You might check restaurant supply houses that deal with used items. One of the smaller commercial mixers might just be right for you, and often there is so little demand for the older KitchenAid or Hobart ones, that I suspect that you could pick one up cheaper than a new KitchenAid of home sized variety.

Do any of you have and use a grain grinder on a KitchenAide? Comments please. Do any of you have and use the pasta extruder? Comments please. Thanks in advance.

-- Notforprint (Not@thekeyboard.com), August 16, 2000.

Great idea, Doris-in-Idaho, The Kitchen Aid people say you can make 2 batches in a row, in my model. And "notforprint" the pasta maker is on my wish list, but I do have a different grain mill. Cathey (In Idaho)

-- Cathey (uptain@if.rmci.net), August 16, 2000.

Cathey, I have a Bosch and I just talked my sister into getting one after two years. They are very difficult to find used and cheap because they are so loved by their owners. They also never wear out. There are a lot of sites where they are available. Now there are several models with the cheapest being around 329.00. I make five loaves of bread at a time and usually give two away each time. It is a wonderful way to reach out to others. I can cook my large family meals in half the time. I use it for everything. I especially love the blender attachment. I've been tossing in all my baseball size zuchinni and freezing it ready for bread. FOr those of you who aren't familiar with it, the motor is 700 watts (I think Kitchenaid is 350) The Bosch also has it's own circuit built in to prevent any overheating of the motor. Purchasing is a lifestyle choice as much as anything. Large families especially benefit from the size. Hope this information helps. Good luck with your decision. I saved for a year and a half to pay cash for my Whisper Mill and Bosch. I've never regretted that decision once!

-- Jennifer (KY) (acornfork@hotmail.com), August 16, 2000.

Cathey, You might keep an eye out on ebay for one. I bought by Bosch and Whisper Mill several years ago after saving for quite awhile, and nobody in the family regrets it! My mother-in-law has had one for many years and it's still going strong. I knead 6 loaves at a time in my Bosch, and I've never had a bad batch yet (except for that one time when my gas stove ran out of gas!) A Bosch is worth the wait even if you have to save a while longer to get it. Deb

-- Deb (andersland@webound.com), August 17, 2000.

I know you said you don't want to do bread by hand but have you ever heard of a bread bucket? It is somewhere between using a machine and doing it by hand. It is nonelectric but you can do six loaves at a time and it is easier and cleaner than doing it by hand. They are also much cheaper. An aluminum one is about $40 and a stainless is $70. You can sometimes find them used. Vegsource is a website with a swapboard for homeschoolers and sometimes on the misc. board you can ask for and find these types of things. I found a hardly used electric grain mill for $100. If you need more info on any of these things email me and I'll be glad to answer your questions.

Kathy:-)

-- Kathy (DavidWH6@juno.com), August 21, 2000.

Hi Notforprint I have the kitchen aid grinder and find it works as well as my dedicated electric grinder. It has to go a bit slow, but the quality is just fine.\

About the past maker - I bought one, brought it home, tried it, and took it back to the store the next day. That thing is the worst designed piece of junk I've ever seen - impossible to feed and impossible to clean - I mean REALLY REALLY hard to work with and not worth the money. If you want a cheap pasta maker, get the Atlas one with the different size attachments, I've seen them around for $24 dollars. Yes, it's a hand crank, b ut it works. or go to garage sales, I've noticed that electric pasta makers are beginning to show up as the ex yuppies decide they don't have time for making pasta.

Good luck!

-- AnnCats (Anncat42@Yahoo.com), August 23, 2000.

I have a KitchenAid heady duty model that I've had for years, it holds 10 cups of flour, which for me makes 4 loaves, more than I usually want to make per day! We make bread everyday. Now, I long ago learned to use more yeast than most recipes allow, for example my basic daily bread I use 1 1/4 cups of water which uses 3 - 4 cups of flour. I get 2 or 3 loaves of BIG bread (in standard bread pans) from it. CJ

-- CJ Tinkle (CJTinkle@goin.missouri.org), December 13, 2000.

Hi Cathey, I grew up on the farm and my mother had a Bosch that we used daily as everything was made from scratch in our house (11 kids). I am now 32 and just recently splurged and bought a heavy duty kitchen aide thinking it would be just as good. Those who say it is as good, simply haven't used a Bosch. Kitchenaide is a good mixer in that class of mixers, but still not even a close comparison to a Bosch. I am completely frustrated everytime I use the kitchenaide. I too am now looking for a used Bosch as I can't afford one new. I have seen them on E-Bay a few times. There is one on E-Bay now, but I want a little more recent version. My mother used hers for 23 years and it worked wonderfully. Her only problem now is a broken gear in the blender portion. It is hard to find these parts. Any suggestions would be great. Tresea

-- Tresea (teebeee@aol.com), December 15, 2000.

If you buy anything other than a K-45 Kitchenaide mixer or larger you have never experienced a good true kitchen tool- for three generations- no now four we have all had kitchenaide mixers all great and one all still in full time service- one even after 50 years of marriage and alot of bread dough etc Alesia Jenkins

-- Alesia Jenkins (ajenkins@cimetric.com), January 04, 2001.

I haven't purchsed from them yet, but check out The bread beckers.com i just found it, and for all you bosch lovers, i plan to go right back.

-- delores (skeletor@frontier.net), February 06, 2001.

HI, I too am looking for a Bosh Kitchen Mixer. The last letter on this page mentions breadbecker.com. They are wonderful, godly people. They are the reason I am grinding fresh wheat in my Whisper Mill, that I purchased from them. Sue Becker has been grinding wheat for 10 plus years now and has tried several mixers and says that Bosh is the best. I am just saving up to get one. They have a 6621 model that they sell for $359.95. I know that's a lot but I guess in the long run its best to buy the best so it will last you a lifetime. I've been making 2 loaves every other day for a family of 4 since I got my Whisper Mill in Oct. 2000. I've read that a couple of the other owners of the Bosh said they saved up for theirs also. I guess that's the way to go when you can't afford it. I get tired of baking by hand but until I can afford the best that's what I'll keep doing. I guess when I can afford my Bosh I'll cherish it all the more. I hope you'll get yours soon. Thanks for listening.

-- (merryhomemaker3@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.

Cathey, I had wanted a kitchenaid machine forever, and when i finally got one as a gift, i discovered bosch from some of my friends, and I regret having the kitchenaid. Like everyone says, bosch is so much superior to the kitchenaid. I make my own bread, grind it in the grainmill, and my kitchenaid does not make wheat bread as fluffy and light like the bosch. So..... i returned my kitchenaid, and my husband promised me to buy me a bosch by this June! It is defintely worth the wait on getting the bosch.. It is not expensive at all for what you get: a blender with 700 watt motor and the mixer with the same watt. I paid 100 for my kitchenaid blender, and the mixer was over 300 for a 300 watt one! It is cheaper to get the BOSCH!!!! The watt is key to making good bread. It is a workhorse, but precise enough to beat one egg. GET THE BOSCH. Check out websites that sell it.. It is about 359 plus shipping, and there is no tax if you order out of state. I hope this helps

-- grace paik (seung_grace@msn.com), April 16, 2001.

HI, I am a student at Utah State University. I am doing a comparison shopping project in my consumer in the market class. I decided to do it on The KitchenAid K45SS model(4 quart). My mom bought a used KitchenAid when she first got married 20 odd years ago. It worked fine all my life! Although, to through another name in the bowl, We always used a Cuisenart ( I don't think that's how it's spelled) to make our bread dough. I worked like a dream. We could make three loaves at a time. It was really quick too, you only had to let it knead for a minute and a half and then dump it out and let it rise. and if you wanted to make more then that it was no problem because you can have another batch done imediatly and let it rise with the first batch. The only set back to the cuisenart is that the dough hooks break pretty easily. Anyway I never liked to make bread in the KitchenAid, it was always a hassle to a let it knead for 7 minutes. however I love the kitchenAid for any other baking.

Back to my origanal point. I have to give a presentation in class tommorow and I was supposed to have info on other brands of mixers. I didn't have it. That is when I ran across this page. I am pretty interested in the Bosch. Can anyone sell me on it? - Megan (the student)

-- Megan Crossett (macro@cc.usu.edu), April 17, 2001.

Notforprint..Years ago I purchased the grain mill for my KitchenAid and also the pasta maker. I bake so much that the grain mill, to me, was not worth it. I purchased, in the 70's a Grover Marathan Uni Mill. It uses electricity but can be hand cranked. It grinds from pastry flour fine to very course..also does soy beans. I do not know if they are still in business but it is a great mill, clean the burrs easily by grinding a cup of pop corn. As for the pasta extruder, I prefer my Atlas pasta machine. My breads I knead by hand. I prefer to do it that way and my husband made a table, special, with a marble slab inserted in one end. After years of service it broke so I just purchased a kitchen table that is all marble. Great for breads, pies, candy etc.

Cathy..I agree about resturant supply places for your Bosch mixer...they are a very fine quality. I know that most restaurant and bakery supply places sell the commercial KitchenAid, I have never seen one carrying a Bosch. You might also try a place in NY called Zabars. It is a great place and they have a websight. WWW.zabars.com. Good Luck!

-- Cordy (ckaylegian@aol.com), April 17, 2001.

They have bosch mixers at screaminghotdeals.com for 319.00 no tax or shipping not sure how long the sale lasts today is 5/7/01 saw it yesterday .

-- LISA Nelson (lnelson02@prodigy.net), May 08, 2001.

Cathey, I have just the oposite problem as you. I just bought a Bosch 7000 and it is too big for me. I want to be able to make less than 4loaves at a time and the Bosch won't do this. It's been used exactly 5 times and unless I made 4 loaves it doesn't work right. Everything else works great in small quantities, ie, one cake, 1 batch of cookies etc.

-- Victoria (victory@gilanet.com), June 06, 2001.

check out boschohio.com. The Bosch has a lower price of $299.95 with free shipping. I know of a lady who burned up 3 Kitchen Aids trying to make 100% whole wheat bread. Kitchen Aid recommends using half wheat and half white. The Bosch will make 6 loaves of bread and has twice as much power as the kitchen aid.

Linda

-- Linda D. Yoder (ksgran@bright.net), November 14, 2001.

I was searching on the internet for replacement parts for my old Bosch mixer. I came across best-bosch.com (changing their address to pleasanthillgrain.com). They offer the Universal mixer with blender for $299.95, free shipping. Hope it helps

-- Barbara (simeroth@internetcds.com), January 14, 2002.

After reading all this I thought I would submit some help. I have just recently decided to purchase a bosch mixer and I talked with a friend who has one, she says there is lil to no comparison between Kitchen Aide and Bosch. K/A was designed bascically for mixing cakes and icings and such........ Bosch was made basically for bread kneeding and heavy duty mixing. (She has both) I make a lot of cakes and a lot of bread {maily whole wheat}... she recommended the bosch. I simply went to www.google.com and did a search of Bosch Kitchen Mixers and it came back with pages upon pages. Good Luck...... The best price we have found thus far is

www.healthforyouministry.com They offer Free shipping and they will beat your lowest price if you find it cheaper somewhere else!

-- Julie (Chris_Julie_3@yahoo.com), January 28, 2002.