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oldest topic Author Topic: Homosexuals un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 06:55 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I already know the answer. There is NO HOPE. I guess I will not be alone. Hell will be full of people like me. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 07:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hate me, the world hates me, even GOD hates me. I don't know why he made me. I wish i was dead.

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 07:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How can there be hope when God says he hates me IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 07:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read somewhere in the bible that homosexuals will not be in heaven. That leaves me out. What else is there. kinda cut and dry. I don't think i wuz born this way. I had some realy bad stuff hapen to me when i wuz realy young. i don't know why it made me the way i am. i don't know how God can let this hapen to people. I thought God loves his people. Why does he make people like me just so he can burn them later. i don't understand?????? IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 08:16 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have any friends everyone knows i am a fag. Doesnt matter though. doesnt matter doesnt matter doesnt matter doesnt matter doesnt matter doesnt matter doesnt matter Does God care when we cry do my tears mean anything i am just a crying fag IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 08:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know u are all christians on here. and u do not want to hear my story. i am fixin to make u puke with what i am about to tell u. i problably could write a book about my life and make a million. then i would be a million dollar fag. ha IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 09:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i think but not sure i know when it all started. i wuz about 6 years old cause i just started the first grade. i remembe my big brother touching me in what wuz a strang way to me. i didnot understand. i wuz afraid. it got to where he did it almost every day. he hurt me everytime and said he would kill me if i told. this went on for a long time. to shorten the story in time a long time it stoped but i did not see the world through the same eyes. when i wuz in middle school i wuz looking at the guys not the girls. i hid my feeling. none of my friends new i wuz a fag. but i new i wuz different. i did not like what i wuz even then. i never told anyone when i wuz in middle school. But inside all the way through middle school i wuz realy realy messed up. My friends did not know. Life wuz already a living hell for me. High School came. I had fewer and fewer friends. they were all off with there girlfriends. I did not feel good enough for a girl not even to fake a date. High School wuz worse than middle school. i made it through some how. now here i am. whats left of i dont know what. I am sorry to tell such good people such a sick story. I know u will forgive me u are CHRISTIANS. I hate knowone. Not even my brother. I just hate me and it seems i always have. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 09:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19 Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. 21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! 22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

------------------ Gospel of John 12:44-50

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 09:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These words sound nice but i do not understand them. I think they were wrote for Christians. i am just a fag. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am afraid of the bible. I know what it holds for me. a lake of fire. a living hell. Im not sure i can imagin one worse than my life has been. I am 19. I have never been with a woman. never had a girlfriend. never realy had a life. I have no friend. know real family. they know i am a fag. It would be better if God would not have made me. I do not know where to turn. There is nothing left. i am empty. used up. my tears truly mean nothing. life means nothing. death means nothing. [This message has been edited by un-forgiven (edited 01-20-2000).]

IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. 10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. ------------------ Gospel of John 12:44-50

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:39 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again these words are nice but.I do not understand them. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They hold no meaning but death hell and fire for a fag. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:46 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to be free?

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:50 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You ever hear once a fag always a fag? IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If i could have ever been different dont u think i would have been a long time ago. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are avoiding the Question.... Would you be willing to turn from your sins? IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 10:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is all i have ever been. the only thing i know. i dont know why i am. i just am. can i change the color of my hair. or grow another arm. as sick as i am. here i am. God made me here i am. Maybe he did not make me what i am. but here i still am. whats left of me. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 11:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For you do not know who it is that says unto you do you want to be free, for if you have known, you would ask of me and I would give you living water. Iam That I Am Saith the Lord IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 11:21 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But God does not change people. he just judges them. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 11:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will be back tomarrow. I hope i have not bugged u to much. I just dont see the hope. Where there could be any for me. Hope is kinda like friends. Havent had much. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-20- 11:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God sent Jesus to destroy the works of the devil,and to judge him! Not men. John 3:16 For God loved the world that He Gave his son (Jesus) to die in our place. For Satan has taken our bodies captive to do his will in us.All we do is cry to the lord,he will destroy the devil for us if thats what we want. IP: Logged gary Member Posts: 625 From: Registered: Jul 99 posted 01-21- 12:20 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can tell you why you do what you do. Change wont be easy either. God never promised easy and God did not make you the way you are. Rom 7:19-21 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. (NKJ) We all have sin dwelling in us it is just when we are confronted with the sin that we realize how bad it is. Until you get provoked to anger you dont relize you have a spirit of anger. You have been decieved and it appears for along time. Repentance is a good place to start. Then submit to God and resist the devil; James 4:7-8 7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. (NKJ) Its easy to give up. Thaats what the devil wants. God Bless gary

IP: Logged Taz Man Member Posts: 129 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 02:35 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi unforgiven, My heart goes out to you.

Let me do a quick recap from your previous posts.  You know that there is no hope.  You hate yourself, and believe that God hates you also.  You are a homosexual. But you do not believe you were born that way.  You had an extremely traumatic childhood that you believe has caused this homosexual behavior to become your lifestyle.  You are afraid of the Bible, but you do not know where to turn to for help.  You think that once a person is a homosexual they will always be a homosexual.  You do admit that it was not God who made you like you are.  You do not believe that God changes people.

Let me make some observations, and then let me address your last post.

 There is no joy in your soul, only misery.  There is no peace in your life, only turmoil.  There is no forgiveness in your heart, only the bondage of sin.

However, I cannot say that there is no hope, even if you did express that. I believe there is a little. That is why you come back here. In reading the posts of the good men and women who participate in this forum, you see something. What is that something? Where did it come from? How did they receive it? And, if them, why not you? So admit it. There might be a little teeny-tiny bit of hope there.

Let me relate a story I read while I was a teenager. One of the things our youth group did was to learn about missionaries who went to other countries to proclaim the good news that, through believing in Christ, one could obtain everlasting life. So we all got books to read about them. Please forgive me as I cannot remember the name of the book, or even the author, as it has been almost thirty years since I read this. But the account was so strong I can remember it almost word-for-word.

The account takes place in Russia just after the fall of the Czar and during the infancy of Communism. One of the first orders of the communist rulers to the military was to find all of the Christians, get them to renounce their belief in Jesus; or, if that was not possible, kill them. So all of the Christians immediately went into hiding. They would hold secret meetings, being very cautious.

In the dead of winter, a military leader assigned to a small town caught wind of one of these meetings planned for midnight that day, and proceeded to plan a raid. Sure enough he caught them all. He and his men stormed the building the group was meeting in, and caught twenty believers right in the middle of their prayers. Following his orders, he arrested them, and started to think of a way to make them renounce their faith in Jesus. It was bitterly cold that night, and there was a shallow lake not too far form where he had caught them. So he came up with a plan.

He marched the twenty believers to the lake, ordered them to strip off all their clothes, and walk into the freezing water of that lake. The believers complied. Once they were in the lake, the military leader gave them this option: There is food, warm dry clothing, and a heated room for anyone who renounces their faith in Christ. Just come out of the water and we, your comrades, will take care of you. The group of believers began to sing songs of praise to the Lord. The leader just could not believe the groups attitude and did not know what else he could do. Finally, after about fifteen minutes, one of the believers could not take it any more, and ran out of the water asking for help. The men who were under this leader started shouting for the others to come out of the water also. Save yourselves they cried. The group sang louder. Upon seeing the faith of thee believers, the leader did an amazing thing. Right in front of his men, he began to remove his uniform. Once he had stripped down, he too entered the water and waded out to be with the rest of the group. His men were in shock. His second-in-command, cried out to him, What are you doing? The leader responded to his second and to his men, God is expecting twenty people tonight, not nineteen. I cannot disappoint Him. Then he began to sing along with the others and went home to be with the Lord that night.

My point is this:

Do not tell me that God cannot change a persons life. That leader was changed from a man who persecuted, and killed Christians, to a man who so believed in Christ, that he willingly died for his faith less than an hour later.

That is the power of Christ in a persons life. Jesus can change your life just as He did for that leader; just as He has for all of us on this board who are believers. But Jesus will not impose himself upon you. You must let him in. This is what Jesus said:

Revelation 3:20-21: 20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

The door is to your heart. Open it, and let Jesus in. You were ask this a couple of times before, and you need to answer this question Yes or No.

Do you want you life to be changed?

May God Bless

With the love of Christ, Taz Man

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 10:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The answer is YES but i do not understand how. I have read the new tesament up to where God or someone said homosexuals cant go to heaven. i stoped reading there. i know Jesus saved people. I do not understand how to get him to save me. every part of me is sin. There is not much left of me and what there is is bad. How can Jesus love someone that is sin. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 10:48 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why does God let someones life get so messed up. Why did God not protect a little 6 year old boy? What did i do at 6 that was so bad that my whole life was thrown away. And now at 19 how is there hope for this 6 year old boy. Is there any answers to any of these questions. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 11:30 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are right i might feel just a little hope. but i feel i am reaching up from a bottomless pit. and not only is the pit deep but it is forgoten. I fell in at 6 and have been there ever since. I am reaching with all i have in me. but i am little and weak. I am so afraid and so alone. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 11:36 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Satan came to steal, kill, and destroy! Jesus said I have come that you may have life,and have it more abundantly!

rpalolivebranch

IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 11:51 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are willing and serious,I will pray with you and Jesus will come into you and you will never be the same! What do you say?

rpalolivebranch

IP: Logged Ann Member Posts: 1117 From: Registered: Jul 99 posted 01-21- 12:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- un-forgiven Jesus came to earth in His mercy.He loves you.He forgave the thief on the Cross and said,"I will be with you in Paradise." Did Jesus condemn the adulteress (John 8)? Instead of consigning her to a lake of fire or killing her,He said,"I do not condemn you.Go and sin no more." Jesus will give you the strength to be chaste.Say "Jesus,I trust in Thee." IP: Logged jjcarter Member Posts: 98 From:canada Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 04:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOD loves everyone but he hates every kind of sin. God is holy and we cannot mix sin together with righteousness. you need to be delivered from your life style and repent of your sins. God is faithful and just to gorgive us of our trespasses and sin. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am sorry for my sins. I am sorry for my whole life of sin. Jesus i an sorry for my sins IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please save me Jesus IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:31 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God i dont want to live like this i hate my life. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Father I pray that you would grant to your child the gift of eternal life. may your Spirit draw him unto thyself. Grant your child faith to believe your promises. grant your child repentance to turn from his sins. reveal unto him Christ Crucified today. If you really want eternal life will you say to Him out loud, God be mercifull to me a sinner. I beleive Christ died for me and that His Precious Blood Will Cleanse Me From All My Sins.By faith I now receive The Lord Jesus Christ Into my heart as my Lord and savior. Trusting him for the Salvation of my Soul. Help me Lord to do your will each day. In Jesus name I pray amen.

If you just prayed this prayer You have just prayed the most important prayer in your life..

I want you to see now what Christ says about what you have just done.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

If you prayed this prayer you have enterd the Kingdom of God.

Please let me know as soon as possible.

Robert

------------------ Gospel of John 12:44-50

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:38 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So i am SAVED RIGHT NOW??? IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:39 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If i died this minute i would go to heaven? IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about the devel though. he will be all over me? IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:46 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you prayed that prayer with all your heart Out loud to the Lord " yes " You will go to heaven right now if you died! Now you will have to read his word to cleanse you mind from all the past. Ill be here for you if you need help

Robert

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:50 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank You Robert. I know i will need help. I have been reading since last night. I have a looonnnnggg road ahead of me. I don't have any friends or anyone to talk to about this so if u realy don't mind i would like to keep in touch. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 10:19 Jesus said Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 05:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 10:19 Jesus said Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Robert/olivebranch

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will change my name to Wuz-unforgiven. The hard part for me will be not hateing myself. It is all i know. I realy aint a bad lookin kid. but i am all washed up inside. I hope God can fix this too. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes I will be more then happy to help. May I ask your name? You can email me if you like..Its more private. Its on top of each posted message. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes I will be more then happy to help. May I ask your name? You can email me if you like..Its more private. Its on top of each posted message.

Robert/rpalolivebranch

IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to admit i feel 1000 lbs lighter IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My name is Brandon. Yes i would like very much to email. IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Told you that you never be the same again This is a song

Oh he touched me, Oh he touched Me And Oh the Joy that floods my Soul

Something happend and now I Know

He touched me and made me whole

Maybe one day we could sing it together If not here on earth "In heaven"

Robert/rpalolivebranch

IP: Logged Ann Member Posts: 1117 From: Registered: Jul 99 posted 01-21- 06:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon- For awhile there it seemed like you despaired of God's mercy.God loves you,so much so He sent His only Son to the Cross.Jesus would have died for you on the Cross if you were the only person on earth,because He loves you so much. There is the Psalm which begins,"My God,My God,why have You forsaken me?" In times of great suffering,God seems far away,but the same Psalm ends with the Psalmist praising God,and saying he will praise God before all people.God loves you.The Our Father prayer is a good prayer to help you remember God's love for you.He will not abandon you,nor will He betray you.Jesus,who suffered all things,suffers with you.He took upon Himself all our infirmities;His wounds bore our salvation.The Holy Spirit is the Comforter.The Holy Spirit will always help you.May God bless you. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank You All. I do feel Gods Love. I hope i never leave Him. I hope i never fall back in that pit. I have been there a long time. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found in Matthew 9 4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, Your sins are forgiven, or to say Get up and walk? But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.. Then he said to the paralytic, Get up, take your mat and go home. and the man got up and went home. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe, and they praised God, who had given such authority to men. IP: Logged un-forgiven Member Posts: 35 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 06:45 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this one..... It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the riteous, but sinners. I think he wrote this one just for me. What do u think? IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 07:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wuz-forgiven As you grow in the Lord He will raise you up into a power house and work through YOU, to heal the sick raised the dead. Just like Jesus! Freely You Have Receive Freely Give...

Its important to read at least 2 Chapters of the new testament per day. Starting with the Gospel of "JOHN"

Dont worry if you dont understand it. "It is going into your spirit" Not Your MIND! Jesus said my Words are Spirit and they are LIFE! John 6:63

IThessalonians 5:17-18 Pray for every thing to God In JESUS NAME. And Give thanks and praise at all times.

Romans 10:10 Its important to tell others about Jesus Christ in your walk With the Lord.

Love Peace Joy In the Holy Ghost

Your Brother In Christ Jesus, Robert/rpalolivebranch

------------------ Gospel of John 12:44-50

IP: Logged Wuz-forgiven Junior Member Posts: 6 From:Weatherford Oklahoma Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 07:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will do my very best. THANK YOU IP: Logged rpalolivebranch Member Posts: 157 From:Nortern PA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-21- 07:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psalm 107:19-22 19 Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. 21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! 22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing. I think this belongs to you.... Read it Over and Over and Over

The lord gave me the music to it a while back and I sing it in front of the people at The Church Of The Living God in PortJervis NY Where I Go to Fellowship with Gods people.

The reason I shared this scripture with You is because it Changed my Life.

Robert/rpalolivebranch

------------------ Gospel of John 12:44-50

IP: Logged CuddlyErnie Member Posts: 49 From:Wichita, KS USA Registered: Aug 99 posted 01-31- 12:42 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Un-Forgiven, I truly hope that you are coming to know who God really is, and what "grace" is. Repentance is the key. God does not require that we get everything cleaned up before we come to Him... if that was the case, there would be no Christians!! The fact is "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." That's why Christ came. Many of us struggle with addictions and sins that come from the scars left by the wrongs done to us. But Jesus is our healer. He only asks that we come, repent (turn away from our sin) and follow Him. Even the disciples messed up sometimes.

My story? Well, my brother was a drug-addicted, alcoholic, chain smoking, homosexual for many years. He, too, had been molested by a family member at a very young age, and put up for adoption at 6. My family adopted him, wanting to give him a loving, Christian home... not knowing the anger and turmoil he had inside. Well, after years of living an empty, shallow life, feeling like God made him gay, but hated him, my brother found out he had AIDs. It is a long story, but one night, out in the dessert of California, he called out to the Lord, and gave Him his life. It took a little time for him to believe that God could really forgive him, but clung to it, and prayed about all of the addictions and sin in his life. He restored relationship with our family, moved home, and didn't crave the cigarettes or drugs again. More amazing, he met a wonderful Christian woman with AIDs and was able to be a husband and step father. He gave God his life, and let the Holy Spirit do the work. I have honestly never seen someone change so much. He was mean, and dishonest and awful, and became sweet, loving, tender and told everyone he met about the Lord.

11 months later, as he lay dying in the hospital, his last few words were to a nurse to "Trust Jesus."

I will also tell you that he was helped by a local Kansas group called "Freedom at Last" which is a ministry to people who want to get out of the gay lifestyle. They are part of a larger organizaion called "Exodus International". You can find them on the web. Also, NARTH is a good group on the web. I personally recommend the book "Pursuing Sexual Wholeness" by Andrew Comisky. It is wonderful, and used by the Freedom at Last group. I've read much of it myself.

I, too, would be willing to email with you, and share more information. I just want people to know that you CAN find freedom from homosexuality in Christ. Homosexuality is a sin just as any other, and usually has it's roots in trama such as yours.

God bless you as you seek him! It will be rough, and Satan will try to tell you old lies and tempt you, but hold fast to the Lord, He is strong and mighty, and loves you like no other.

CuddlyErnieIA@yahoo.com

IP: Logged Taz Man Member Posts: 129 From: Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-31- 01:33 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Cudley, Read the discussion started by Wuzforgiven. It is the same guy. Well, a new creature to be sure, but wuzforgiven was unforgiven. It will bless your heart. It did mine. This is a real praise report, the BEST PRAISE REPORT!!!

May God Bless, Taz Man

IP: Logged Kristina Howard Member Posts: 107 From:USA Registered: Nov 99 posted 02-02- 08:30 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by un-forgiven: These words sound nice but i do not understand them. I think they were wrote for Christians. i am just a fag. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think your being a bit hard on yourself. Just need to put faith in God and give up all your feelings scars and hurt up to HIM. Ask Him for Help and if you sincerely want help He will give it to you AND YES GOD LOVES YOU EVEN YOU!!!!

[This message has been edited by Kristina Howard (edited 02-02-2000).]

Kristina Howard posted 02-02- 08:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have read more and I see that unforgiven has changed to wuzforgiven Praise The LOrd!! SEE GOD Loves us all. Praise Him who can forgive. IP: Logged posted 10-20- 05:16 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this in the archives and it is sad in the beginning, but joyful at the end. If you are reading, WuzForgiven, please give us an update.

I hope and pray you are O.K.

The pain you have suffered is heart-rending.

Connie

From:Massachusetts Registered: Nov 99 posted 10-20- 07:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you so much Connie for reviving this post - I have never seen it however, Wuz-forgiven (un-forgiven) did post on my "the simple gospel message" thread I had no idea that he had been homosexual and I can see in retrospect (especially through this thread) how the Lord was ministering to this young guy!

Praise the Lord for the many who responded - I wept as I read through this thread indeed, it is the presentation of the gospel, the simple gospel, that affects lives, accept no substitutes!

Faithfully His,

Barry

IP: Logged GTE/HIVE Member Posts: 1174 From:Lansing, MI , USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 10-20- 10:48 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen, Barry. I, too, was very moved.

Connie

-- Anonymous, October 21, 2000

Answers

Praise God for His work in the life of such a one as this.

Connie

-- Anonymous, October 22, 2000

You must be born from above.

-- Anonymous, October 22, 2000

Subj: Hey ya!! Date: 10/24/00 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: (Potes EfraC-n) To: hive827@cs.com

Connie & Herb

ItB4s been a long time, IB4ve been calling via Dialpad, Connie have asnwered the phone I have hear you extrenmly far away say nothing and hang up, the Dialpad is pretty lousy these days.

I just got back from a 15 day visited to Brazil, I spent some days at DebbieB4s home. I had the opportunity to meet her husband, daughter and sister Paty, also her husband sister and her husband sister husband too whom I spent some time at a Car Exhibition where I had some pictures taken with beatiful "garotas" models.

It was a nice experienced, I was extrenmely stressed at work and was a great opportunity to relax, I also vistied Rio de Janeiro, and Debbie fixed a nice trip down south Brazil where I attended the famous Brazilian Oktober fest, which is a German Party.

Back to Sao Paolo where Debbie resides, I got sick for four days, we had nice long talks, Debbie got out a Picture Album so we both remmeber our time at your house, your children, the kids for the daycare center, and many other things as we saw the pictures. Many rememberings went through my mind, I just remember the first day I walk on the street as I went out of the bus which had taken me from Atlanta to Lansing, and I remember asking myself what it would be for me at Lansing, MI. Debbie and I realizaed how much time it had been trough since then.

Debbie remember you and Herb with a special feeling of her heart, she is very preocupied of HerbB4s health, we hope soon youB4ll manage to put in order this problems with his insulin. We remember and remember our experienced in Lansing. Debbie is much like you in several things specially with her daughter whom she loves very much. You trainned her well, and she practices most of the things you teach her.

Another thing that impressed me positively was her wedding pictures where her husband seemed to be the happiest man on earth, NO ONE on the wedding pictures seem to be as happy as he was. I was very glad to see this.

Debbie has grown up to be a good mother, wife and sister for what I could see during the time I spent at her apartment. I felt very much happy for her. Her endurance for the everyday problems is very impressive. I even envy her. If there is something you wanna feel proud of is that she closely listen to th things you train her on, to which she pay very much attention, even on small details.

As a wife she shares responsabilities with her husband, whom is a very hard working man, as sister she lovingly took care of her sister who had a small surgery on one of her toes, that caused very much pain to the point that almost caused her fainted twice, as a mother she expresses her love and tenderness, and correct her daught with great amount of patient, love, tenderness, paying closed attention on the things she learn at your home, as friend she took took care of me offering always her best to make me feel confortable at her home.

Her husband is a nice guy too, we spent some time taking about working stuff, he took me to GMB4s plant where he works for EDS which is the company that manages all GMB4s data processing. last Saturday he also took me to a carB4s show in Sao Paolo.

IB4m very glad I told you about Debbie as soon as we met that halloween day, almost 11 years ago, she needed to find somebody for help and found your and yours family love.

I say bye to them last Sunday, very early in the morning I got some watering eyes, that I donB4t know she notice, but I leave very happy to see that our friend was ok, hopefully some day IB4ll make to Brazil again, I like Sao Paolo very much.

I hope you and your family is ok, I remember most of you several times a year, specially you, Herb, Tim & Sue, and Laury. I hope things will get better altough what our eyes see is different, as I flew over the Atlantic Ocean on my way to Europe that darn airplane shook so bad, I didnB4t ask the Lord to take the shaking away but to give me the endurance to be able to handle it.

As I did it with Debbie from the most inner parts of my heart I wish you and your family the best blessing the Lord could have for you that Lord bless you and your family answering the needs of the heart of the Iversen family, whom in many ways help us the foreigners grow up.

Sincerely

EfraC-n Potes Guerra Guayaquil

Praise God for bringing this young Ecuadorian to our home, and his young friend from Brazil.

Praise God, that though both were Roman Catholic when they arrived, they both became born from above while living here, (through my church's International Class outreach).

The party was on Halloween, but it was instead of Halloween.

-- Anonymous, October 26, 2000