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Invitation to surrender
Why Bush was right to reject Gore’s offer Vice President Al Gore, speaking from the vice presidential residence in Washington, describes his position on finalizing the presidential election.
By Jay Severin MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR Nov. 16 — Al Gore’s first words Wednesday were his most truthful ones: “This has been an extraordinary eight days for the American people.” This is called a PhD. in Duh. Now on to the real world and what the vice president’s call for a hand-count of disputed ballots and a face-to-face meeting between the two candidates really means.
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GEORGE BUSH ACCEPTS the vice president’s proposal if, and only if, he wants to stay at his ranch and watch President Gore on television next year. This wasn’t an offer in good faith, it was an invitation to surrender. Bush rightfully declined. Here’s why. Gore’s statement, citing “Florida law”, included these words: “this is a time to respect every voter and every vote…and the true intentions of the voters.” This is a very romantic sentiment, but it is total nonsense. NO UTOPIA HERE Gores’ unctuous piety notwithstanding, the fact is there has never been and will never be a perfect utopian election with no mistakes, in which every vote is counted. Florida law has been followed: Bush won on election night, and he won the mandated recount. You want to honor the law, Mr. Vice President? Concede.
November 15, 2000 Rejecting Vice President Al Gore’s offer Wednesday of a re-count of disputed ballots and an invitation to mee, George W. Bush proposed instead a count of absentee ballots and a final verdict.
Gore’s “deal” includes yet additional recounts. There are three exceptionally good reasons why Bush says “no, thank you” to that. Bush has won the only recount provided by law. No other recounts anywhere should be pursued or included — again, in accordance with the entirely lawful declaration of duly elected Secretary of State Katherine Harris. The counties in question are heavily Democratic. Big surprise, huh? These counties will yield many new and improved Gore votes. Hand-counting is subject to error and, more troubling, fraud — especially in counties politically controlled by Democrats. That is the second substantive reason why the GOP opposes a recount, even in strong Republican counties. By way of example, spoiled ballots eliminated more voters in Republican Duval County than in Democrat Palm Beach County. So the GOP should demand a recount, right? Not so fast. A FAIR COUNT? There are three exceptionally good reasons why Bush says no to Gore’s offer.
In his munificent settlement offer, Al Gore said “observers and participants from both parties should be present in every counting room as required under law.” What Al Gore did not (forgot?) to tell you is that, yes, representatives of both parties would be in the room — and in all counties politically controlled by Democrats, they will outvote the Republicans every time on what is and is not an “intended” vote for their man Gore. Thus, even in Duval county — where Bush took more than 75 percent of the vote on Election Day — Republicans are quite understandably afraid to call for a recount. And there is more disingenuousness in Gore’s condescending offer: if Bush agrees to Gore’s extra-legal and impossible-to-win recount scam, Gore says he would abide by the result and would neither take nor support any legal action to challenge it. What Al Gore did not (forgot?) to tell you is that this is a no-risk, guaranteed win for him. While he won’t take legal action or support any, he can’t help it if some third party (say, a Democrat) does so and the subsequent ruling happens to make him president. As I hear it, Gore’s offer includes no mention or pledge that he would not, after the re-re-re-recount, campaign to steal away Electoral College voters (his real strategy all along). In other words, it still depends on what is is. THE ONLY SOLUTION
Last and least, as it speaks to the kind of person Mr. Gore is, comes “I would also like to urge all of those speaking for either of us to lift up this discourse, to refrain from using inflammatory language and to avoid statements that could make it harder for our country to come together…that is the direction I have given my own campaign.” This, after Gore surrogates (including, former U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher), still fresh from their deft assassination of Kenneth Starr, have spent the past few days relentlessly defaming Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris — evidently the Democrats’ new Kathleen Willey. Oh, but then these people are not technically with the Gore campaign, right? Depends, you see, what the meaning of “campaign” is. Gore’s closing words included these: “It is about our democracy.” Correct, Mr. Vice. If there is a God in whom we trust, the will of the people — our law — will prevail. And you will presently be involuntarily retired to the private life and public scorn you have earned and so richly deserve.
Why Bush was right to reject Gore’s offer
-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), November 17, 2000
Bush has won the only recount provided by law. No other recounts anywhere should be pursued or included — again, in accordance with the entirely lawful declaration of duly elected Secretary of State Katherine Harris. The counties in question are heavily Democratic. Big surprise, huh?According TO THE FREAKING LAW, Gore has followed said. Fortunately for Bush few of his followers will bother to read the law, big surprise? huh?
Manual recounts are an option when it can be shown the current methods are unreliable. The recount showed error rates beyond exceptable in a contest this close.
This little election is important because it shows HOW the Phonies who call them selves Republicans operate. EVERYTHING done by anyone NOT them is considered evil and sinister. They rely on the fact their fans are lazy and will not venture out and do their own research. Like good-little saps they will goose-step behind the mouthpieces of the dribble which is Conservatism in America.
Listen to them on AM Radio and you would think Al Gore is stealing the election because WE the RIGHT people are merely laying down and allowing him to.
Recounts will introduce fraud they claim. Well blame your Returd observers at the recounts not the Evil Democrats.
Bush does not want a manual recount of the legal optional 3 Gore has chosen or the entire state of Florida, why? Gee cause he "might" lose of course. Everything else is noise.
-- Doc Paulie (fannybubbles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
Oh BTW who is this talkinghead::Jay Severin? Former Republican Campaign hack and general spreader of the RightWing bs is who.Liberal Media? Like Rush Limbaugh? George Will? Michael Reagan? Jay Severin? and major outlets which not only spread the crud, but do so without a care in the world to being balanced.
Same media who missed the GW DUI story.
Same media who for months cited polls from biased sources as some picture of the American Electorate. Which BTW is the main reason the election was even close.
-- Doc Paulie (fannybubbles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
Geez Doc....you've really lost it now.'goosestepping' and 'republican' in the same sentence?
wow.
-- no longer a fan (you@just.blewit), November 17, 2000.
So Doc, what do you have to say about this story?"The mechanism, called a “Votamatic,” did not contain any ballots. It’s a device used on some types of ballot boxes to punch votes through ballot cards, which are then tallied by computers. According to a police report filed at the Palm Beach County sheriff’s office and obtained by ABCNEWS, Irving Slosberg, 53, pulled the mechanism from his car and handed it over to police on Nov. 11 after denying to a county government employee that he had it."
-- Yeah Right, No Fraud Going On! (geeeezw@ke.up!), November 17, 2000.
What do I think? I think you ought address the reply or even the stupid article that is what I think.Ya the Nut with the votomatic is interesting if you are THAT bored. What is it supposed to indicate fraud?
Address the article by the Republican/Libertarian hack Severin. Address why MOST of the GW supporters will not read the LAW. If they had most of their whinning would cease. And just maybe a few of them would understand they are being played for fools by some pretty slimy characters who wrap themselves in the flag and have convinced a great many of you this country sucks to high heaven.
-- Doc Paulie (fannybubbles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
yeah typical dic pulley extremism.IGNORE the fact that a democrat has a votomatic, and "gosh gee, Al keeps getting more and more votes each time we count!" duh-huh! Yeah, that sure is boring, dic!
IGNORE the fact that the votes were counted, then RECOUNTED fulfilling the LAW, and Bush still wins. Gore math? keep counting till you like the results.
Repubs ain't the one getting the shaft, and neither are the american people, unless Gore steals this election through a "letter of the law" legal manuever....THEN the demoncrats who did all the whining will get what they have coming to them.....Kommie Al Gore in the white house.
Learn to speak Chinee, dic.
-- dic pulley (fartsickles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
Gore math? keep counting till you like the results.Noooo...count until the count's done RIGHT.
-- Pay (Attention@RightWay.com), November 17, 2000.
Doc, you really need to take lessons on how to write from your SO. Oops wait a minute that wouldn't be any improvement now would it?Pay, RIGHT? Does that include punching out holes where there were none originally?
-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), November 17, 2000.
Maria go read the Florida Statutes if you are able to read. Then get back to me. Until then shut up with your putdowns.
-- Doc Paulie (fannybubbles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
Doc, make me! naynee naynee boo-boo.
-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), November 17, 2000.
"Doc, you really need to take lessons on how to write from your SO. Oops wait a minute that wouldn't be any improvement now would it?"
"naynee naynee boo-boo" indeed.
-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), November 17, 2000.
Whip um out and lets just see.hmmpphhh!!!! :-)
-- (um@never.mind), November 17, 2000.
typical dick puller...IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE. U didn't answer one point put to you, you meme infected butthole.
-- Dic Pulley (fartsickles@usa.net), November 17, 2000.
Doc Paulie - The INVAR of the left.
-- haha (ha@ha.ha), November 18, 2000.