There's no Purgatory and other errors.

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CATHOLICS APOSTOLICS CRISTIANS. The answer or message is not found in SAINT THOMAS AQUINO.The answer or message is only and exclusivelly found in the word of GOD, that is the Bible.Dt. 4;23,24; Rev. 15:4; Acts. 17:29; Dt. 12:32; 2 Cor 6:15,16 DT. 27:15,26; Gal. 3:10; Is. 42:17; Mt. 24:35;Is. 45:21; Rev. 22:18,19. We should'nt follow our first Cristians; We should only follow the word of GOD the Bible, that says:Rev. 22:18,19; Mt. 5:18; Mk. 13:31; James. 2;10; Lk,. 16:17;Heb. 10:26-31.

THERE IS NO PURGATORY-THERE IS NO PURGATORY. There is no purgatory. But there is Holy Glory for Eternity of our CREADOR and SAVIOR JESUSCHRIST, Where he wants to take the ones that obey his Holly Word.Dt. 13:4; Ex.23:21; @cor. 10:5; Ecl.12:13. There is also Hell:Punishment for Eternal life,fire with worms day and night for eternity and forever where all the disobedient of the word of GOD go:Rom.1:18-23; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5-7;1 Cor. 6:9,10; Eph. 4:18,19.

FORGIVENESS IS FOREVER. Brothers and Sisters: If we're with CHRIST?, We have eternal life: But without the lord, Hell,Sufering, eternal fire. To be in the family of GOD. We have to be clean that is No sin : But if we sin your satan son because your tepid; Our CREADOR and CELESTIAL FATHER will Vomit you;Rev. 3:16.If you repent every 8 days or every month,you are playing with our lord JESUSCHRIST; because forgiveness is forever ; but if its for moments,you are what the word of GOD says: Pro. 26:11; 2P. 2:22; Heb. 10:26-31; Dt. 27:15,26;GOD is'nt where theres SIN;James. 2:10. GOD, gave us salvation trew his only son JESUSCHRIST.Is. 42:1; Jn. 3:16; Mk. 6:14; Mt.26:12;The lord JESUS paid the price on the cross , but we keep disobeing him, If we repent the lord tells us:Lk. 23:42,43. WISE ADVICE. Brothers and Sisters: Buy a "bible and a biblic Diccionary" Where you can find the greatness and Love of our CREADOR and CELESTIAL FATHER, that gave his life for our sins. Having both books you will find everything you will like to Know about how to live with GOD. Because the word of the lord is Power, life ,Salvation, forgiveness, justice, and holly glory for eternity: Earth and sky will pass but his holly word will not;Mk. 13:31; 1 Jn. 2:20,27; Mt. 24:35; Rev. 22:18,19. The word of our God, is for everyone especially for all the denominations that obey and belive in the LORD JESUSCHRIST CREADOR and CELESTIAL FATHER.1 Jn. 5:20,11,12; Tit. 1:2; Jn.5:13; Tit. 3:7; Dt. 12:32; Psl. 33:6; 147:15; Eph. 6:17; Lk. 8 :11.

Your brother in JESUS.

-- hernan guerrero (hihkicker01@msn.com), November 24, 2000

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Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Hernan Herrero: you wrote:

"The word of our God, is for everyone especially for all the denominations that obey and belive in the LORD JESUSCHRIST CREADOR and CELESTIAL FATHER.1 Jn. 5:20,11,12; Tit. 1:2; Jn.5:13; Tit. 3:7; Dt. 12:32; Psl. 33:6; 147:15; Eph. 6:17; Lk. 8 :11."

It so happens that Catholics believe in the LORD JESUSCHRIST CREADOR , but not in Christ being the CELESTIAL FATHER; one is the Father (Yahveh), another one is the Son (Jesus Christ) and onother one is the Holy Spirit. Are you not a bit confused?

Did God reveal His Word "especially" for certain denominations? What happended to Christ's command to go and preach to ALL NATIONS?

Enrique

-- Enrique Ortiz (eaortiz@yahoo.com), November 25, 2000.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Dear Hernan,
You use a lot of upper-case type (mayusculas) in your messages. Add to that too much Chapter/Verse references. Won't you please give your opinion in terms and forms less confusing?

Take all you've quoted from holy scripture; and before you try to interpret it, go see what the Catholic Church's interpretation of them is. It will be the correct one. Not Jehovah's Witness interpretation, or 7th Day Adventist, or so-called Baptistas. You have learned from the wrong masters.

Purgatory exists, and it IS biblical. But your sect is reading a bible from which the Books of Macabees are missing. Macabees II-- 12: 46 gives a perfectly good treatment of Hebrews practice of ''praying for the dead''. This is biblical. You don't pray for those in eternal fire. It's too late. You don't pray for the Blessed in heaven; they are already in God's presence. Why else would you pray for the dead? To release them from Purgatory.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), November 25, 2000.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Hey, EO.

HG correctly named this thread -- "Theres no purgatory and other errors."

He then proceeded to list all the errors he believes in, including the non-existence of purgatory.

By the way, it may be that HG belongs to one of the "unitarian" pentecostal sects. They don't believe in the Holy Trinity. They confuse Jesus with the Creator/Father and the Holy Spirit, thinking that there is only one Person in God.

SN

-- Slave Nolonger (free@long.last), November 25, 2000.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

"By the way, it may be that HG belongs to one of the "unitarian" pentecostal sects. They don't believe in the Holy Trinity. They confuse Jesus with the Creator/Father and the Holy Spirit, thinking that there is only one Person in God".

I doubt it, he's comes across as an ordinary Christian who believes that the Bible is the inspired word of God.

-- natalie cross (net4@yahoo.com), February 14, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

HG the first Christians followed the Apostles. The first Christians knew them personally and fully understood their teachings.

the Apostles followed Jesus. The Apostles knew Him personally and fully understood His teachings.

THEREFORE it can be said that the first Christians followed Jesus, and fully undersood His teachings.

When you come along here two thousand years after the fact and tell everyone that they've been misunderstanding what Jesus meant, all we have to do is look back at the first Christians to see what was done, because we know WHY it was done ("THEREFORE it can be said that the first Christians followed Jesus, and fully undersood His teachings")

THAT is why we look to the earliest Christian practices because they COULDN'T be wrong. If they were wrong, then everything right down to the Scripture they preserved is called into question.

You can't have it both ways. Either their practices were correct (the ones that only the RCC still uses) or everything we know about the Word and the faith is in jeopardy.

Which is it?

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-- Anthony (fides_spes_et_caritas@hotmail.com), February 14, 2001.



Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Dear WIlliam:

In Peter's day there was no celibacy rule. That was added later when the priests were practicing nepotism, to protect the Holy Offices from being demeaned. This rule is a form of discipline, not doctrine, so it can be revoked in the future if the Church finds it necessary. Peter was able to be both Pope and married.

-Hannah

St. James, pray for us. Mother Mary pray for us.

-- Hannah (archiegoodwin_and_nerowolfe@hotmail.com), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

"And as far as I know, Saint Peter was never in Rome"

"never recognized nothing but this Bible that [protestants] have today."

our 'prophet' doesn't seem to like facts very much Hannah. Or, should I say, he who the 'prophet' plagerizes.

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-- Anthony (fides_spes_et_caritas@hotmail.com), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

This Prophet is serving up his Southern-Fried Bible grub with the big twinkle in his eye. When his pants catch fire, we'll look for the nearest baptismal font, and put an end to his howling.

Official then, Prophet-- You are not a prophet in your own country. Leave the evangelizing to the Church of the Holy Apostles.

In the truth of the Holy Spirit, this was the only source ever provided us by the Son of God. It would pay you to become a son of the Church (the true and Catholic faith) before He returns and cleans your plow.

Mary Our Mother and Holy Intercessor, Saint James, Holy Apostle; Bless and pray for us! Amen.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

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Why don't you write a book about how you converted a nest of blaspheming Catholics over the Internet all by yourself? You could convince your own ''Holy Ghost'' that you deserve to go to heaven, Prophet. Just pull out your book, show Him and say-- ''There it is, in black and white, Spirit. I'm a prophet! What's more I didn't need any backup from You. Real prophet like me, what do I need protection from biblical error for? Them poor Catholic mackerel-snappers; I had 'em on their knees! I had 'em barkin like the dogs they are! Check out this here book, Lord. The title IS: True Interpretation of the Godhead'' Have You got any questons about that interpretation? I got the answer for You! Yep''

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Eugene, you sound convicted. I never said I was a prophet, you are the one that is making a Big Hooptidoo about that. Brother, If I have effended you with my email name, then I'am sorry, but I said nothing about me being a prophet, that was all your doing.

I will change my email just for you eugene, since your own conviction is bothering you.

-- William (believer@hotmail.com), February 15, 2001.



Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Prophet you weren't William, believer you might be. But not in the Inspired Word of God. The belief you cling to is pure-D error, disseminated by Satan among rebellious men. The ones that deny the faith of the fathers, all Catholics.

I'm not making it up William. You are a descendant of Catholics, real believers in Christ and His Gospel. Unless you are descended from the Chinese or the aborigines of Down Under. And even their descendants today are Catholics, largely. Thank God!

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Where did you get that diatribe anyway? It was obviously somebody's lecture (I doubt you composed email while standing in an auditorium, and why type vocalised pauses?). Who's was it?

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-- Anthony (fides_spes_et_caritas@hotmail.com), February 15, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

In a recent thread the concept of the necessity to endure temporal punishment for sins forgiven, whether in this world or the next (Purgatory) were mentioned. A comment was made to the effect that nowhere in the “revised” Bible, non-Catholic Christians use, could any references to the above be found. As 2 Mac. 12:43-46 does not hold any water with some of our distinguished visitors, as they have deprived themselves of the full knowledge of wisdom and truth; the following scriptural references from the King James Version of the Bible might be helpful in shedding some light: 2 Sam. 12:13-14; Matt. 3:11-12; Matt. 5:25-26; Matt. 12:32; Matt. 18:23-25; Luke 12:47-48; Luke 12:58-59; John 20:21-23 together with Matt. 18:18; 1 Cor. 3:15; 2 Cor. 5:10; Phil. 2:10; Col. 1:24; Heb. 12:5; Heb. 12:14; Heb 12:23; 1 Pet. 3:19; Rev.5:2-3; Rev. 21:27.

Due to the risk of losing some readers to boredom, I chose not to paste the actual scriptural passages here. I also did not want to use up an inordinate amount of space on those who would not read them under any circumstances. Each reference listed relates in one way or another, to the concept of purifying one’s self in this world, and/or the next, in order to satisfy Our Saviour’s need for sanctification.

I would ask all of you to indulge me one small privilege! For the record, I am placing this post in all threads with the word “Purgartory” in their title. I hope this does not confuse anyone when reading recent responses to the forum.

St. James and Mary, Our Blessed Mother, help us to accept whatever our Maker will appoint at the supreme moment of our final breath, and as always, pray for us!

Ed

-- Ed Lauzon (grader@accglobal.net), February 25, 2001.


Response to Theres no purgatory and other errors.

Links for the above verses:
2 Sam. 12:13-14; ... Matt. 3:11-12; ... Matt. 5:25-26; ... Matt. 12:32; ... Matt. 18:23-25; ... Luke 12:47-48; ... Luke 12:58-59; ... John 20:21-23 together with Matt. 18:18; ... 1 Cor. 3:15; ... 2 Cor. 5:10; ... P hil. 2:10; ... C ol. 1:24; ... H eb. 12:5; ... Heb. 12:14; ... Heb 12:23; ... 1 Pet. 3:19; ... Rev.5:2-3; ... Rev. 21:27.

St. James, pray for us. St. Judas Maccabeus, pray for us.
God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), February 25, 2001.


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