. . . or at least what SEEMED to come out :)

NOTE: IF YOU ONLY READ ONE SECTION AND SKIP OTHERS - PLEASE READ THE END OF THE MESSAGE!

NOTE 2: I'll refer all hes and shes as HE.

First I'll talk about Regulation Play:

There will be one person as a "Rules Coordinator". He will be elected as soon as these propositions are solidified, and will run a one-year term. This person ONLY has two responsibilities:

1. He maintains the rules page which will be placed on his own website. The web page maintainer(that's me) is responsible for linking the rules page on the banner frame when he is aware of the link.

2. He will begin votes for banned techniques, or different scoring methods of games under reasonable rules. When somebody identifies a possible banned technique, he will research the technique and then place it to a vote. Something similar to Angry's ways of running votes before he left us.

!. He may NOT make rules by himself. He may also NOT decide on major rules changes. Those votes are automatic, but to keep rules as solid as possible, these major rules changes(like autofire, slowdown, etc.) require a 2/3 vote.

Now the tournament:

For those who didn't make the public meeting, because of my time for college and the olympiad, I will be retiring as tournament coordinator. A new one will be elected under the same responsibilities as myself, and he will run a two tournament term. For the new tournament coordinator: a break is sounding to be in order at this time.

Finally, I will once again extend congratulations to Brian McLean for a tournament well done.

The Olympiad:

If you read the new olympiad page, Frankie's idea was a great one. There will be qualifying rounds, then we will have "joystick play" where we play for the gold, silver, and bronze joysticks.(or graphics thereof anyway)

There's controversy on how the teams should be. I think if you're looking for competitiveness, you should split the United States into three or four regions. The defect thought - although a good idea even the competition, is not in the true olympiad procedure. Well... neither is splitting a country into regions, but at least that one is close. However, I will still listen to opinions, and if everyone wants to play a defect rule, so be it.

Finally, the Knockout tournament:

I have to go with the majority here: The knockout tournament was poorly run. Why? Well he didn't have the majority of editors' blessings for one. Also some falacies on the coordinator's part - but he knows of those - so I won't repeat them here.

What's the solution to all of this? Here's what's I propose:

When KOA tournament 1 is over, there will be an election for the knockout coordintors. The top three vote getters will be coordinators of the KOA and will run a one-tournament term. The highest vote getter will be the chair, and that person is responsible for constantly updating the Knockout Page at his own website.

He is also responsible for running the public meetings, and I expect at least one of them before KOA Tournament 2 begins so the rules are set, solidified, and frozen so they can be fully enforced. The three coordinators will set the rules(all getting one vote of course), but they will hear opinions from the public on how it should be run.

HERE'S THE BIG NOTE AT THE END OF THE MESSAGE!

All elections from the regulation, tournament, and knockout modes will be secret ballot. All ballots will go to me. Because of this, I will recuse myself from all three of those positions and will reject any nomination from the MARP. I swear that the nomination totals will be accurate under penalty of something. :)

Also - these things I have not set up are not final. I will give three days for objections. If I hear enough people objecting, then I will change it.

Finally, sorry I'm acting like that, I just want the MARP to move on...

Thanks for reading, and long live MARP. :) GB9

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@yahoo.com), December 04, 2000

Answers

Wow, I guess some things changed between Friday night at 10:00 and Saturday at 4:00; if memory serves me right, there were even plans for 3 rules coordinators on Friday night! I don't object, I was just stating that.

Don't worry, this post won't be completely pointless; I was wondering if you could post the logs from the two meetings just in case anyone wants to hear all sides from the stories.

Sincerely,

J.D. Lowe

-- J.D. Lowe (jedidrunkenllama@hotmail.com), December 04, 2000.

JDL: Yeah, that came up on Saturday, too. As did several other interesting things, including a different voting mechanism (15 votes minimum, then 48 hours after the last vote was the idea I had... of course, the comment was made that "15 people don't read the message boards"... heh).

-- Matt Denham (peng@demongate.ath.cx), December 04, 2000.

Portion of Gameboy's message

Finally, the Knockout tournament:

I have to go with the majority here: The knockout tournament was poorly run. Why? Well he didn't have the majority of editors' blessings for one. Also some falacies on the coordinator's part - but he knows of those - so I won't repeat them here.

Ok, who's fault is that? Let's not go in that, but what may be considered a falacie (is that right) may be part of the master plan, stay tuned.

What's the solution to all of this? Here's what's I propose:

When KOA tournament 1 is over, there will be an election for the knockout coordintors. The top three vote getters will be coordinators of the KOA and will run a one-tournament term. The highest vote getter will be the chair, and that person is responsible for constantly updating the Knockout Page at his own website.

He is also responsible for running the public meetings, and I expect at least one of them before KOA Tournament 2 begins so the rules are set, solidified, and frozen so they can be fully enforced. The three coordinators will set the rules(all getting one vote of course), but they will hear opinions from the public on how it should be run.

Who stated that the KoA is under MARP control/supervision??? If the editors don't support it, it's not something u can control, is it??? Who said I am giving it up??? Nobody came to me (gameboy??) and even wanted to discuss anything before the posting??? Until some talks are done, I don't consider the Knockout part of gb's message binding, sorry. You can not go and not support something, then take it as your own...

-- Chris Parsley (cparsley1@hotmail.com), December 04, 2000.

Well, KOA will have to come under some sort of MARP control or supervision, if you want K2- categories added, which I would think might help matters greatly. Also, I think you'd find without some MARP support, you wouldn't have anywhere to upload scores except via email and that'd make KOA2 even slower than 1.

Crash.

-- Dean Ryan (crash@tcp.co.uk), December 05, 2000.

The Olympiad:

The qualifying round idea is great, so the only problem left (at this moment ;-) is with teams/ splitting a country idea. One possible solution can be found in my post from 15.Nov.00, where I wrote about how we should stay close to real Olympics idea. There I call it the...

..."Big country problem" This is interesting for players from USA (and maybe Canada). I think that on M.A.M.E. Olympics we should have 2 leaderboards (i.e. "medal standings" lists) in paralel. One, the main, for the whole World (including USA of course :-) and another one ONLY for USA (& Canada) just to make the whole competition more interesting for players from such "MAME powerfull" nation(s). They deserves it. In that "2nd table" we'll have standings for states such as California, Nevada, Texas,... or for cities (if it's more convenient): Las Vegas, Toronto, Austin, Montreal,...

Also in that post I sad that we have exactly determinated disciplines on Olympics, so the analogous situation here (MAME) is to have defined (and ready for randomizer) 60 or 80 or even 100 BEST (and the most suitable) GAMES for M.A.M.E. Olympics. But, that's another story who and how will define that games ...

-- AlexLux (Aleksandar.Lukic@ev.co.yu), December 05, 2000.