A very long vent on the 'powers that be'...

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Since the question has already been answered (the post about WACO), I should just be quiet... Seems to me that those ATF agents (and several others) should be executed right next to McVeigh... but there are ever-increasing incidents that prove our laws and Constitution are only in place to serve the political ends of our leaders...

Drug laws are one good case... The first drug laws were found to be unconstitutional back in 1937. They posed it as a taxation law to get past the Supreme Court's decision. Look what's happened since. Nothing was said when the tax 'stamps' were purposely not issued, thereby completely eliminating all sales - medicinal and otherwise. Not to mention the blatant lies promulgated by the government... We all realize, I am sure, that you spend more time in prison for drug-related crimes than for rape, murder, etc.

While I wholeheartedly support SOME, most environmental laws (at least on the Federal level) are also unconstitutional. There is no authority granted for such federal laws. That is a matter reserved for the states, according to the SUPPOSED Supreme Law of the Land. I would hate to see what the overwhelmingly obvious greed and ignorance of Corporate America would do to us without them, but they are - essentially - illegal.

There is also no authority in the Constitution which provides for one person to foot the bill for another person, an industry, or a governmental body ('cept the taxes to pay their salaries!!!).

Take the recent issue before the Supreme Court over whether mushroom (edible) growers must pay for advertising for the entire industry ('generic' ads... like the "Got Milk?" campaign). Ruth Bader Ginsberg's thoughts are that it isn't the same thing to make someone pay to say something as it is to forbid them to say something. So - it is NOT a violation of freedom of speech to force someone to put money into an ad campaign they don't want to pay for!!!

Welfare laws, insurance, affirmative action etc.... These also fall into that category. I ran into this personally when I lived in - yes, you guessed it - Arkansas. I had a garden. I had tons of food to donate. So, since the local W. I. C. office was quite near the house, I offered to make up bags for the folks that came in. They told me to donate to the food pantry (which didn't take perishables!!) because, "It would raise the income level of the people and some would lose their aid." (???!!!???) Hmmmmm.... So, instead, I sat outside with a pad of paper, and got people to give me their addresses. I personally delivered over 50 bags of fresh produce over the course of the harvest.

So - you can't donate to folks that need it unless the government says so. But, they can force you to donate to those who don't need it, also because they say so. Again.... Hmmmmmm.......

Also - we are so caught up in Waco... It was a tragedy, but all the talk in the world won't bring those people back. Its a waste of time... we aren't DOING anything but talking. What about the preacher and parents that were recently arrested for child abuse? All of the children were sent into foster homes, and all the parents, and the minister were jailed.

That minister was told - on National TV - that the charges would go through, and everyone would be prosecuted if he didn't stop preaching what he was preaching. The report was either on CNN, or our local Channel 7 news. Don't remember which. Now, I'm not into beating children, and while my personal opinion is that they were 'a little excessive' - NO State, Federal or any other governmental official has a basis for telling someone how to practice their own religion. So much for all these laws... So much for seperation of church and state. (ON a personal note, the Bible says "Spare the rod, spoil the child." NOT Spare the rod AND spoil the child.) Thank you Dr. Spock...

They have managed to stop Mormons (for the most part) from poligamy... The Indians from using thier peyote, etc etc... There are cases in Federal court where Pagans have been forced to stop meeting on their own property. They don't stop bon-fire parties!!! The health department was sent into a gathering, a sort of 'congress' (many many religions represented) because there was a rumor that some participants were naked (I'd love to see them try to arrest over 2000 people to get to them!!) How long till Christians can't go to Mass because the congregation is too large??

Unless we are willing to DO something about all these things, we have no right to complain. I am at a total loss as to what else I can do... I use as little power as necessary, grow most of my own food, recycle, write letters, make calls... vote. But I'm just one person. What else can I do? That's why I feel so privileged to be a part of groups like this one, CS, BHM... Most of us do all these things too, and more. At least there is some hope.......

Watch for those black copters over central Idaho!! Sorry for the ranting....

-- Sue Diederich (willow666@rocketmail.com), April 19, 2001


Honey, I watch for those black copters all the time, where ever I am!!!! And you are right.

-- Green (ratdogs10@yahoo.com), April 19, 2001.

Sue, rant on!!!! You are right. Don't have time right now to add anything, will check back later. Take Care!

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (wjl7@hotmail.com), April 19, 2001.

Tell it, sister! Good rant. A fine commentary.

Re: Christians and "mass": there have been several home churches shut down because neighbors supposedly complained about 10 or 12 cars parked on a block. So, not long is the answer, not long at all.

In fact, one of my favorite all time rants is about the 501c3 status of the majority of churches here in America. I won't go to a church that has one as it almost automatically turns the church into a business instead of a church. I could go on, but I'm too tired right now. Maybe I'll feel fresh in the morning!

-- Dreen (bisquit@here.com), April 19, 2001.

I totally agree with everything you said. There are many religons, organizations, practices, races, etc. that are currently discriminated against and persecuted. Reminds me of the saying, "They came for the (fill in the blank) and I didn't say anything because I wasn't a (blank)".

I disagree that we shouldn't complain if we aren't willing to do something about it. I think all of us here are trying to do at least something about it by doing the things you cited. I also think that even by just vocally and publicly complaining about it we ARE doing something about it. I realize that most people won't listen and hear the truth but then, there are the few who do. At least you're planting a seed that will hopefully sprout. Eventually, even the ones who didn't listen to you will be forced to listen to something greater than themselves, such as Nature.

Unfortunately, in the times we live in, unless you are someone who is willing to give up possibly everything (including possibly your life) there is not much more that we can do until our numbers grow larger, which they eventually will. Just keep spreading the word!

I live in North Idaho and have seen some 'copters (a lot in the summer) but don't know if they were black or not. I will start being more perceptive about that though!

-- Lisa (tepeeclan@nidlink.com), April 20, 2001.

Yeah Sue!!! Good rant.

There have been a lot of black heliocopters fly over our home. After one particulary bad government bashing telephone conversation a heliocopter got so close to our home that it rattled the windows.

I believe (and I may be in the minority) that we are already millions strong. The problem is "we" do not have a safe way of identifying each other. Most "freewill" thinkers are afraid to say to much as it can lead to loss of jobs and friends (? real friends?).

As a group we are dangerous as individuals we are contained.

-- Kenneth in N.C. (wizardsplace13@hotmail.com), April 20, 2001.

Ken, I don't think that "they" have a good way of identifying eachother either....Maybe I don't get what you are saying??? No one would look at me and think I am who indeed I am. Books and covers are wildy diverse. I think ole Martin Luther King Jr. (yeah, I know all the stuff that has been bandied about him, but anyway...) said it best when he spoke about the content of the character. That is the determinator and the only real identifier.

Unless of course we develope a secret handshake!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), April 20, 2001.

Well, Sue, here are a couple of things you can DO.

1. Never NEVER vote for a Democrat. For any reason. Never.

2. Join the GOA (Gunowners of America) www.gunowners.org and send them every dime you can spare.

3. Support the homeschool movement any way you can--with your own children, by helping others homeschool theirs, or by urging your church to support homeschooling.

4. Turn off your TV.

5. Write your congressman and state legislators. Write them often.

There are many other things each of us can do. One of the biggest is to pray for our country. Another is to live boldly by our best beliefs. I've paid a damn high price for opposing the liberals and I'm one the severest victims of affirmative action; but I am still fighting the forces that work to take away our Constitution and our heritage of freedom. We can't all do everything, but we all can do something. Even writing to this forum helps; we readers of Countryside who came to this forum, did so as a protest against the intolerence and arrogance of the politcally correct leftist/New Age hypocrits who took over the CS forum. I renewed my subscription to Backwoods Home and cancelled my subscription to Countryside.

There's an old Baptist hymn that goes, "Stand up, stand for Jesus," . . .

Indeed, stand up, if not now, when?

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), June 10, 2001.

Theres one flying around my town and house right now! (Shouldn't of been so vocal on Yahoo.com about Bush's War of Globalization. Luke

-- Luke Nichols (lunanic@frontiernet.net), March 27, 2003.

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